Assume you are president of china Options

[InitialDJay]

hypothetically speaking..you are a leader of china or one of the important government official, what would you propose to change in china? it can be from anything from political reform, economic reform, cultural reform, education reform, etc.. but only one you can do....

[ReginaRae]

Wipe Mao Zedong out of Chinese history. It's his fault Chinese people these days have little freedom and aren't able to have any sense of self. He did away with real Chinese values and instilled this communist garbage. In my opinion he ruined China and everything China stood for while killing millions of people in the process. I don't think he's worthy of anyone's admiration.

There's so much more I'd like to do though. The education system needs drastic reform. I'd get better teachers that actually like their job and care about their students, and the system will be more Westernised. There's something unfair about the way it is now. It's...stressful with too much focus on the details and not enough on the whole picture, which places people in schools they shouldn't be in or prevents them from going to schools they deserve. I'd also tend to the Tibetan/Uyghur issues. A happy medium can and must be met there, especially for Tibetans. I won't allow that struggle to go on any longer. There's a way to satisfy them without doing something outlandish.

So basically get rid of Mao/communism, fix minority issues and upgrade the education system. These three things will make a world of difference to China.

[Yerroperil]

Wipe Mao Zedong out of Chinese history. It's his fault Chinese people these days have little freedom and aren't able to have any sense of self. He did away with real Chinese values and instilled this communist garbage. In my opinion he ruined China and everything China stood for while killing millions of people in the process. I don't think he's worthy of anyone's admiration.

There's so much more I'd like to do though. The education system needs drastic reform. I'd get better teachers that actually like their job and care about their students, and the system will be more Westernised. There's something unfair about the way it is now. It's...stressful with too much focus on the details and not enough on the whole picture, which places people in schools they shouldn't be in or prevents them from going to schools they deserve. I'd also tend to the Tibetan/Uyghur issues. A happy medium can and must be met there, especially for Tibetans. I won't allow that struggle to go on any longer. There's a way to satisfy them without doing something outlandish.

So basically get rid of Mao/communism, fix minority issues and upgrade the education system. These three things will make a world of difference to China.

Obvious troll is obvious and no one gives a damn about your bruised legs.

[ElapsePride]

Obvious troll is obvious and no one gives a damn about your bruised legs.

IMO, not saying I always agree with her but regard to what she says above, I don't think she's trolling, but making a unfavoured point, which many hate to hear.

This post has been edited by ElapsePride: Feb 16 2012, 02:11 AM

[Boron]

IMO, not saying I always agree with her but regard to what she says above, I don't think she's trolling, but making a unfavoured point, which many hate to hear.

She's full of bull$hit. Teachers that actually like their job? Has she ever seen a Chinese teacher? She's thinking out her @$$ from a failed US school.

And let's ignore the western guy that talks too much about China.

This post has been edited by Boron: Feb 16 2012, 03:47 PM

[Suijen]

Teachers that actually like their job?

Boron's got a point. Seriously, how many people really have a passion for their jobs, especially for primary/secondary/high school teachers? There are a few yeah, but let's be serious. I've had teachers in the US who sucked balls also. At least the teachers in China get results.

[ReginaRae]

I've had teachers in the US who sucked balls also. At least the teachers in China get results.

In my opinion, the way America does school is better. The system is fair, organized, and teachers are more attentive to their students - especially those that need extra help. But I think American students aren't as smart in school as Chinese students. Then if you look at schools in China, the education system is always getting harped on, and Chinese teachers are messy and not as flexible/available for their students, yet Chinese students excel in school.

The good results you're talking about probably have more to do with Chinese parents valuing education more than American parents and always making sure their kid is on top of things, and the kids knowing how important school is and focusing really hard on it and applying themselves. I think Chinese teachers have very little to do with the success their students have, especially considering that Chinese students excel in other countries as well; US, Australia, Canada, where more than likely the majority of their teachers aren't Chinese.

[Suijen]

In my opinion, the way America does school is better. The system is fair, organized, and teachers are more attentive to their students - especially those that need extra help. But I think American students aren't as smart in school as Chinese students. Then if you look at schools in China, the education system is always getting harped on, and Chinese teachers are messy and not as flexible/available for their students, yet Chinese students excel in school.

The good results you're talking about probably have more to do with Chinese parents valuing education more than American parents and always making sure their kid is on top of things, and the kids knowing how important school is and focusing really hard on it and applying themselves. I think Chinese teachers have very little to do with the success their students have, especially considering that Chinese students excel in other countries as well; US, Australia, Canada, where more than likely the majority of their teachers aren't Chinese.

Chinese schools place high standards on their students to succeed. Students who get Ds in China magically end up in an honors class in the United States. The one thing they teach at New Oriental GRE: "If you can't get a max score in the GRE math section, then you're an embarrassment". Ie, Chinese from HK/Taiwan/Mainland still outperform ABCs in math. The reason is because the standards, across the board, are higher.


And what you're arguing has less to do with how "good" the teacher is and more to do with what resources a teacher has. I've seen "good" schools in China, and every class has 30-40 students. You can't really be flexible with that now can you?

[ReginaRae]

Chinese schools place high standards on their students to succeed. Students who get Ds in China magically end up in an honors class in the United States. The one thing they teach at New Oriental GRE: "If you can't get a max score in the GRE math section, then you're an embarrassment". Ie, Chinese from HK/Taiwan/Mainland still outperform ABCs in math. The reason is because the standards, across the board, are higher.

I'm aware that Asian schools have high standards to the point where it's stressful, but now I'm not necessarily talking about the school system, but the teachers, their methods, and the way they approach the students. My first reply to you was about Chinese teachers and their effect or lack off on their students and how they fare to Western teachers. In this case, it's completely possible to have a school with high standards with teachers that suck @$$.

And what you're arguing has less to do with how "good" the teacher is and more to do with what resources a teacher has.

It has to do with how the teacher utilizes what they have, even with 30-40 students or a school that's falling apart. This does reflect if they are passionate about what they do and how much they're willing to stretch for the students. You or someone else will probably say teachers in China are passionate and stretch themselves for their students like American, Japanese or Nigerian teachers (the best teachers in my opinion) because clearly, Chinese students excel, but as I said before this has more to do with the ambition of Chinese students and the motivation, or constant harping, their parents give them. I mean do you think an American student in a Chinese school would do as well as their Chinese peers?

[devils666]

I'm aware that Asian schools have high standards to the point where it's stressful, but now I'm not necessarily talking about the school system, but the teachers, their methods, and the way they approach the students. My first reply to you was about Chinese teachers and their effect or lack off on their students and how they fare to Western teachers. In this case, it's completely possible to have a school with high standards with teachers that suck @$$.


It has to do with how the teacher utilizes what they have, even with 30-40 students or a school that's falling apart. This does reflect if they are passionate about what they do and how much they're willing to stretch for the students. You or someone else will probably say teachers in China are passionate and stretch themselves for their students like American, Japanese or Nigerian teachers (the best teachers in my opinion) because clearly, Chinese students excel, but as I said before this has more to do with the ambition of Chinese students and the motivation, or constant harping, their parents give them. I mean do you think an American student in a Chinese school would do as well as their Chinese peers?

So you are going to stereotype all Chinese teachers as "uncaring"? Being a "good" teacher is all subjective. There's no measuring stick for how "caring" a teacher can be - the only way to measure performance is through tests (sorry, but that's reality).

Yes, American teachers are soooo passionate - that's why there are so many scandals involving teachers sleeping with students. Apparantly they "care" too much! Or the "no child left behind" policy where teachers were filling in bubble sheets to get funding for schools. Yeah, I guess they do care a lot.

You've never even experienced the school system in China, so how would you know? Unless you are going by stereotypes. Why do you always think you are an "expert" on stuff you've never experienced or taken the time to actually learn about?