Mongolian Neo-Nazi only do this to spite China?, What the hell is this? Options

[Crossbowman123]

Nope, not German. Hitler wouldn't have cared other than to make an attempt to annihilate them.

Hitler actively promoted mixing between Germans and Scandinavians. The Germans viewed Austrians as their own and looked up to Scandinavians and Anglo Saxons(British).

[Copenhagen]

crossbowman, the guy in your avatar is squinting his eyes.

[oolong]

Copenhagen,the guy in your avatar is black.lol.

[Copenhagen]

Copenhagen,the guy in your avatar is black.lol.

Doublemint, I would destroy you in real life with my knuckles. It's too bad we are not in the same place. Back in the day, we used to settle this with our fists.

[TGStuffing]

Have you ever been to China? I mistook a lot of locals for other Asian ethnicities. It's not out of question that Han Chinese have some mix.

I see nothing but a load of bull-crap, tell me, what provinces did you travel? and what other Asian ethnicities are you referring to?
of course it's not false there is indeed a low fraction of us look ressemble to adjacent labors, so do the mongols, viets, you name it.

[Copenhagen]

I see nothing but a load of bull-crap, tell me, what provinces did you travel? and what other Asian ethnicities are you referring to?
of course it's not false there is indeed a low fraction of us look ressemble to adjacent labors, so do the mongols, viets, you name it.

I mistook some for Mongol and Viet. Some even looked Persian or Uzbek to me.

[oolong]

Doublemint, I would destroy you in real life with my knuckles. It's too bad we are not in the same place. Back in the day, we used to settle this with our fists.

Im so scared.
lol,passport or it didnt happen.

This post has been edited by oolong: Feb 21 2012, 01:09 AM

[Crossbowman123]

Variation in Han does not equate to mixing with Mongols, "Yue" or other non Han. Even during Qin dynasty, variation in appearance was observed.

http://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides...acotta/face.htm

Recently an interesting phenomenon has been discovered: the looks of terracotta warriors unearthed from the Mausoleum of Emperor Qin Shi Huang closely resemble those of modern Chinese people. Examined closely, almost every facial variation of modern Chinese man can be found amongst the warrior figures.

This post has been edited by Crossbowman123: Feb 21 2012, 01:20 AM

[TGStuffing]

I mistook some for Mongol and Viet. Some even looked Persian or Uzbek to me.

far out, what's the percentage are you talking about, maybe 1 out of 1000 look mongol and viet, 1 out 100000 look persian, LMAO, get real.

[oolong]

Variation in Han does not equate to mixing with Mongols, "Yue" or other non Han. Even during Qin dynasty, variation in appearance can be found.

http://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides...acotta/face.htm

Its like sblings share the same DNA,but mostly still look very different.
And as I said,Han Chinese has always outnumbered other asians by almost 30 times we are the last one that needs to worry about mixing.lol.

This post has been edited by oolong: Feb 21 2012, 01:21 AM

[Crossbowman123]

Its like sblings share the same DNA,but mostly still look very different.
And as I said,Han Chinese has always outnumbered other asians by almost 30 times we are the last one that needs to worry about mixing.lol.

Indeed, many assume variation in modern Han population as mixing during times of nomadic invasion or southern expansion. However as I posted earlier, even during Qin dynasty (well before any such "mixing" events occurred), variation was already observed by Qin artisans.

[TGStuffing]

Its like sblings share the same DNA,but mostly still look very different.
And as I said,Han Chinese has always outnumbered other asians by almost 30 times we are the last one that needs to worry about mixing.lol.

Exactly. the real siblings and brother ethnic groups to the Han Chinese are all in China, are of Chinese citizens, get real!

here is from Baidu http://baike.baidu.com/view/4926.htm
"汉族、藏族、彝族、纳西族、白族、哈尼族、傈僳族、普米族、景颇族、拉祜族、基诺族等为兄弟民族，皆出自古羌。"

Does it say the mongols? or the vietnamese?

I bet that guy lied about his trip to China, most likely he has only been to Chinatown and he thinks he knows it all. lol

This post has been edited by TGStuffing: Feb 21 2012, 01:36 AM

[oolong]

Indeed, many assume variation in modern Han population as mixing during times of nomadic invasion or southern expansion. However as I posted earlier, even during Qin dynasty (well before any such "mixing" events occurred), variation was already observed by Qin artisans.

Its just one of those internet myths,fueled by overseas asians most of whom have never even set foot on asia.I didnt even know about all these crap until I came across the english sites for overseas asians.

Exactly. the real siblings and brother ethnic groups to the Han Chinese are all in China, are of Chinese citizens, get real!

here is from Baidu http://baike.baidu.com/view/4926.htm
"汉族、藏族、彝族、纳西族、白族、哈尼族、傈僳族、普米族、景颇族、拉祜族、基诺族等为兄弟民族，皆出自古羌。"

Does it say the mongols? or the vietnamese?

Our language is very similar with these ethnic groups too.

I bet that guy lied about his trip to China, most likely he has only been to Chinatown and he thinks he knows it all. lol

Or he probably read all these stuff on the internet.lol.I think hes lying about that too thats why i asked to see his passport.He probably doesnt even have one.

This post has been edited by oolong: Feb 21 2012, 01:43 AM

[Yearofthedragon]

Who cares about 'minority' from the population of about 3 million? Rather we should wonder why some Western scholars labbeling idiot person with 'Mongoloid Syndrome'. These people with 'Mongoloid syndrome' are in deep love with the White Russian despite every year in April Russian Nazi search and kill anyone with Asiatic features as their rituals.

This post has been edited by Yearofthedragon: Feb 21 2012, 01:53 AM

[baasiddeghuja]

There are several such neo-nazi type groups in Mongolia. And "White Swastika" or "Tsagaan Has" is just one of them. And it is just a small one. Actually, these are a several young students who started German-Vermaht themed bar a few years ago. And in order to get attention of the media and compete in the very crowded Ulan-Bator bar scene, they made outragious statements about the Chinese people. Ever since this group became famous and their bar become popular among young students!

There is a non-governmental organization (NGOs in democratic Mongolia are really independent in contrast to China where all NGOS must acknowledge communist party's political power) called "Dayar Mongol". This is a right-wing nationalistic organization that has large membership in Mongolia, and financially, they are self-sufficient. They have strong links with some politicians and businessmen in Mongolia. Dayar Mongol is a serious player on the Mongolian NGO and political scene. But not these small groups like White swastika.

All Mongolian extreme nationalistic groups are strongly anti-Chinese! There are NO anti-Russian organized groups in Mongolia. Of course, there are some Mongolian individuals whose families (Buryats in Siberia, and Kalmyks in Southern Russia) suffered from Stalin-Choibalsan repressions in the 1930-40s. But they are few, and they are not politically organized as much as anti-Chinese groups.

There are alots of discussions among academics and ordinary Mongolians about why the anti-China sentiment is very strong in Mongolia. Opinion pools (many different organizations conducted such surveys including England's Cambridge University) consistently show that 70-90 percent of adult Mongolians do not trust and do not like China and the Chinese. The rest said "do not know".

Why the anti-China sentiments are strong in Mongolia?: There are 3 main reasons:

1. Historical - The Mongolians and the Chinese were fighting with each other for several thousand years. The proof of that is the Chinese Great Wall. Historically, Mongolians had very bad relationships with the Chinese. This is still true today.

2. Political - Many Mongolians are very angry at China because Mongolia lost almost half of its historical territory - Inner Mongolia, Western and North Western part of Xinjiang, Western Heilongjiang, Western Jilin, and Northern Gansu and so on, and roughly 4.5 million Mongolians to Chinese control and rule. In addition, the awareness of how millions of Chinese immigrants are taking over Inner Mongolia and other Mongol lands, and dominate Mongolians, makes Mongolians very angry and hateful of the Chinese!

3. Cultural - Both Chinese and Mongolians historically looked down on each other's cultures as inferior to their own culture. The Chinese always called and call Mongolians as barbarians, and the Mongolians always called and still call the Chinese as castrated slaves-eunuchs. Culture clash!

These are main reasons why there are extreme nationalistic organizations that hate China and the Chinese!

In contrast, most Mongolians like and trust the Russians because Russia helped Mongolia to restore its independence in 1911 when Manchu Qing empire collapsed! And also Russians helped to build the entire Mongolian infrastructure, schools, hospitals, and so on in 150-1980s. Although there were about 80 thousand Russians in Mongolia in 1960-80s, by now all of them went back to Russia. In contrast, the Chinese who settled in Inner Mongolia will never ever leave Inner Mongolia unless they are forced to.

Complex historical, political, and culture related issues provide foundations for these anti-China organizations in Mongolia!

[baasiddeghuja]

Well, the Mongolians forced your Chinese ancestors to build the Great Wall - 2000 years old and 4000 miles long defence wall. The Mongols forced you-Chinese to "care" about them by repeated invasions and slaughtering the Chinese for many thousand years!




[quote name='Yearofthedragon' date='Feb 21 2012, 02:53 AM' post='5018985']
Who cares about 'minority' from the population of about 3 million?

[devils666]

First of all Monglia is a member of the SCO and is an important ally to the PRC (although Taiwan doesn't have good relations with Mongolia). The PRC would never want to claim Mongollia for fear of ruining the SCO alliance.

Second of all, Mongolia should be more worried about Russian "invasion" than Chinese invasion. Becuase Mongolians have lost their heritage, language, and culture to assimiliate to Russian customs. Before they point the finger at China, they should fix their own Russian influence first.

Third, Mongolia has conquered China before and also raped many Chinese women. Why don't Monglians feel bad for what they did to the Chinese? When China suffers, no one cares. But when a small country is being "threatened" by China everyone is happy to point their fingers.

Fourth, even if there were many Chinese immigrants to Mongolia, who cares? You sound like one of those racist Europeans who complain about Blacks, Muslims, and Mexicans taking over their land. Get over it - no county is free form immigrants.

Fifth: Chinese mixing with Mongolians isn't as bad as European mixing with Mongolians. At least Chinese and Mongolians share a lot of lineage and blood througout history. Many CHinese people have Mongolian ancestry. Mongolia is the father of the east Asian race. I don't view Mongolians as outsiders, but brothers. Chinese and Mongolians are more closely related than Vietnamese and Mongolian so it's not that different.

[oolong]

Mongolians are strangely proud of their criminal history.

[baasiddeghuja]

Ok. How does it sound if someone says "The Chinese are strangely proud of their several thousand years' history of humiliation, defeat and sufferings at the hand of other nations like Mongols, British, or Japanese, and so on?".

Offensive?

Mongolians are strangely proud of their criminal history.

[RheeSan21]

There are several such neo-nazi type groups in Mongolia. And "White Swastika" or "Tsagaan Has" is just one of them. And it is just a small one. Actually, these are a several young students who started German-Vermaht themed bar a few years ago. And in order to get attention of the media and compete in the very crowded Ulan-Bator bar scene, they made outragious statements about the Chinese people. Ever since this group became famous and their bar become popular among young students!

There is a non-governmental organization (NGOs in democratic Mongolia are really independent in contrast to China where all NGOS must acknowledge communist party's political power) called "Dayar Mongol". This is a right-wing nationalistic organization that has large membership in Mongolia, and financially, they are self-sufficient. They have strong links with some politicians and businessmen in Mongolia. Dayar Mongol is a serious player on the Mongolian NGO and political scene. But not these small groups like White swastika.

All Mongolian extreme nationalistic groups are strongly anti-Chinese! There are NO anti-Russian organized groups in Mongolia. Of course, there are some Mongolian individuals whose families (Buryats in Siberia, and Kalmyks in Southern Russia) suffered from Stalin-Choibalsan repressions in the 1930-40s. But they are few, and they are not politically organized as much as anti-Chinese groups.

There are alots of discussions among academics and ordinary Mongolians about why the anti-China sentiment is very strong in Mongolia. Opinion pools (many different organizations conducted such surveys including England's Cambridge University) consistently show that 70-90 percent of adult Mongolians do not trust and do not like China and the Chinese. The rest said "do not know".

Why the anti-China sentiments are strong in Mongolia?: There are 3 main reasons:

1. Historical - The Mongolians and the Chinese were fighting with each other for several thousand years. The proof of that is the Chinese Great Wall. Historically, Mongolians had very bad relationships with the Chinese. This is still true today.

2. Political - Many Mongolians are very angry at China because Mongolia lost almost half of its historical territory - Inner Mongolia, Western and North Western part of Xinjiang, Western Heilongjiang, Western Jilin, and Northern Gansu and so on, and roughly 4.5 million Mongolians to Chinese control and rule. In addition, the awareness of how millions of Chinese immigrants are taking over Inner Mongolia and other Mongol lands, and dominate Mongolians, makes Mongolians very angry and hateful of the Chinese!

3. Cultural - Both Chinese and Mongolians historically looked down on each other's cultures as inferior to their own culture. The Chinese always called and call Mongolians as barbarians, and the Mongolians always called and still call the Chinese as castrated slaves-eunuchs. Culture clash!

These are main reasons why there are extreme nationalistic organizations that hate China and the Chinese!

In contrast, most Mongolians like and trust the Russians because Russia helped Mongolia to restore its independence in 1911 when Manchu Qing empire collapsed! And also Russians helped to build the entire Mongolian infrastructure, schools, hospitals, and so on in 150-1980s. Although there were about 80 thousand Russians in Mongolia in 1960-80s, by now all of them went back to Russia. In contrast, the Chinese who settled in Inner Mongolia will never ever leave Inner Mongolia unless they are forced to.

Complex historical, political, and culture related issues provide foundations for these anti-China organizations in Mongolia!

Thank you for giving this information. Is very informative, and make me understand a bit more about these strange fascist group (though I am still believe what they is doing is moronic).