Free Khmer Land in Southern Vietnam, Do you support Independence 4 Khmer Krom Options

[nombaingsachko]

It was a mandated agreement with the Cambodian Communist Party, the Royalist Party and the Khmer Rouge, which led to the retreat of the Communists Vietnamese Army back to Vietnam.

true. if the vietnamese army never left cambodia, war could've taken place for another 10 years until you guys REALLY retreat. trust me, i have a war documentary during the 10 year occupation and cambodians aren't cowards like many of you viets think. cambodians just aren't as well trained as the vietnamese soldiers. they'll fight to the death.

[saigon76nyc]

Wrong in the 1980s the Khmer Rouge still had the UN seat for Cambodia even though they were kicked out of power.

Thus the UN recognized the Khmer Rouge as the legitimate government of Cambodia, and if Vietnam hadn't stayed, the UN would have just given power back to the Khmer Rouge and he would come back with a vengence.

The Khmer Rouge were only kicked out of the UN seat in 1989.

That is correct that the Khmer Rouge remained with a seat in the United Nations because they were only because they supported by the People's Republic of China which held a seat on the Security Council, that had invaded Northern Vietnam in 1979.

The Khmer Rouge were not kicked out of the UN seat in 1989, the Provisional Government of Cambodia under the United Nations Peace Keeping Army represented the Government because the country no longer was recognized as the Democratic Kampuchea.

Democratic Kampuchea:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Kampuchea

[Byron]

UN supported the Khmer Rouge, while Vietnamese troops were able to keep the evil Khmer Rouge from coming back to power.

After Vietnamese troops left and UN forces came in they brought aids to Cambodia, making it the #1 country in asia with the most aids.

See just proof that the UN is evil. They supported the Khmer Rouge and they brought aids to your country.

[saigon76nyc]

After Vietnamese troops left and UN forces came in they brought aids to Cambodia, making it the #1 country in asia with the most aids.

See just proof that the UN is evil.  They supported the Khmer Rouge and they brought aids to your country.

It seems you like to make your opinion FACTS.

What type of education do you have ?

Just because you keep repeating your opinions does not make it true.

See just proof that the UN is evil.  They supported the Khmer Rouge and they brought aids to your country.

UN brought AIDS to Cambodia ?

Please come with some factual data, or just stop making idiotic untrue statements.

This post has been edited by saigon76nyc: Jun 10 2005, 01:18 PM

[Byron]

UN supported the Khmer Rouge, while Vietnamese troops were able to keep the evil Khmer Rouge from coming back to power.

After Vietnamese troops left and UN forces came in they brought aids to Cambodia, making it the #1 country in asia with the most aids.

See just proof that the UN is evil.  They supported the Khmer Rouge and they brought aids to your country.

It seems you like to make your opinion FACTS.

What type of education do you have ?

Just because you keep repeating your opinions does not make it true.

Please come with some factual data, or just stop making idiotic untrue statements.

Yeah right if my "opinions" are just opinons then how come you have never proved me wrong? You just ignore it and find another subject to challenge me on? I've already shown you links to CREDIBLE SOURCES.

It's the stuff that you posted that is not factualy and I've put them down with credible sources.

Oh and the UN bringing Cambodia aids is not an opinion. It is a fact.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,513032,00.html

There were few incidents of HIV in Cambodia until the arrival of UN troops in 1992. Now 3.7% of 15 to 49-year-olds are infected, one of the highest rates in the world, according to UNAid.

http://www.rense.com/general24/stain.htm

Cambodia. There is now mounting evidence that UN Peacekeeping troops actually caused an explosion of AIDS in Cambodia in 1992

Congratulations the "evil Vietnamese troops" which I have never read committed any atrocities in Cambodia were replaced by "Heroic UN troops" who brought aids into your country.

This post has been edited by Byron: Jun 10 2005, 01:25 PM

[saigon76nyc]

Oh and the UN bringing Cambodia aids is not an opinion. It is a fact.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,513032,00.html

That is an outdated article:

Patrick Barkham in Sydney
Wednesday June 27, 2001

Congratulations the "evil Vietnamese troops" which I have never read committed any atrocities in Cambodia were replaced by "Heroic UN troops" who brought aids into your country.

Currently Vietnam as the only Asian nation among 15 countries eligible for his Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief.

Posted 7/11/2004 8:31 PM

AIDS cases 'exploding' in Vietnam:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-0...tnam-aids_x.htm

Bush recently added Vietnam as the only Asian nation among 15 countries eligible for his Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief. One-fourth of the 4.8 million new HIV infections reported in 2003 are in Asia.

Tobias chose Vietnam because HIV is spreading faster here than in India and China. It's driven by the country's young population, by high infection rates among injecting drug abusers and by a sex trade that caters to up to 15% of men each year. The only risk for most women to become infected is their husband's sex or drug abuse. Nearly 25% of women who seek HIV testing cite their partner's behavior as why they visit a clinic.

"Vietnam is a country where the disease is largely confined among sex workers and drug users but is on the verge of exploding into the general population," Tobias told a USA TODAY reporter accompanying him on a two-day official visit before continuing on to the 15th International AIDS Conference in Bangkok.

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The United Nations----did not------ bring AIDS to Cambodia, people that practice--------UNSAFE SEX ------or use drugs spread the HIV Virus that causes AIDS.

This post has been edited by saigon76nyc: Jun 10 2005, 01:34 PM

[Byron]

I don't see how that article above changes the facts that UN troops brought aids to your country?

Yeah it was written in 2001, so that makes it outdated. Please show me updated articles that say the UN was not responsible for it?

lol yeah Vietnam's aids rate is much more lower than Cambodia, and Vietnam wsa the only country in asia to get that relief because Bush said that Vietnam was more open to the topic of aids while other countries in Asia like India which have more aids rates weren't open about it.

See your trying to change the subject again. Please show me how this proves that UN troops didn't bring aids to Cambodia? Cambodia still has the highest rate of aids in Asia.

The United Nations----did not------ bring AIDS to Cambodia, people that practice--------UNSAFE SEX ------or use drugs spread the HIV Virus that causes AIDS.

Yeah exactly, UN troops having sex with prostitutes and raping the locals in Cambodia were having unsafe sex.

This post has been edited by Byron: Jun 10 2005, 01:35 PM

[saigon76nyc]

Yeah exactly, UN troops having sex with prostitutes and raping the locals in Cambodia were having unsafe sex.

At the present time, with the article that you presented about the HIV Virus entrance in Cambodia dated in 2001, it is the only factual basis that is presented here now.


But statements that UN soldiers of raping local Cambodian women is out of context.

Congratulations the "evil Vietnamese troops" which I have never read committed any atrocities in Cambodia were replaced by "Heroic UN troops" who brought aids into your country.

Now going back to the roots of how we came to this discussion of HIV, it was you who brought it up, when talking about the "retreat" of the Communist Vietnamese Army from Cambodia.

The topic of this discussion was Free Khmer Land in Southern Vietnam !

This post has been edited by saigon76nyc: Jun 10 2005, 01:46 PM

[Kenji shinoda]

saigon76nyc , just a quick advice .... never ever consider yourself to be a Vietnamese as long as you still have that thought of giving south of Vietnam to Cambodia. It was the Cambodian's fault in the 1st place to invite the French over And what was the result ? The whole Indochina was colonized, so us taking a small portion of their land is nothing Count it as war reparation

[SlantedVision]

i don't see why you bother arguing with him, byron. it isn't like anything he says will result in the dismantle of south vietnam.

do what i do, sit back and laugh at his wishful thinking.

[Rei]

saigon76nyc , just a quick advice .... never ever consider yourself to be a Vietnamese as long as you still have that thought of giving south of Vietnam to Cambodia. It was the Cambodian's fault in the 1st place to invite the French over    And what was the result ? The whole Indochina was colonized, so us taking a small portion of their land is nothing  Count it as war reparation 

Yes it was our fault for trusting viet in the first place.

Without the French, Banh mi wouldn't exist 2 2

[saigon76nyc]

saigon76nyc , just a quick advice .... never ever consider yourself to be a Vietnamese as long as you still have that thought of giving south of Vietnam to Cambodia. It was the Cambodian's fault in the 1st place to invite the French over  -hmm  And what was the result ? The whole Indochina was colonized, so us taking a small portion of their land is nothing  :D Count it as war reparation  -thumbup

I am of Vietnamese and Cambodian decent, and my ethnicity does not determine the rights of Khmer people in Vietnam.

As a graduate of Law School and my knowledge of International Law on the Right of Self Determination, the Khmer people have a right to establish a Independent State and as the Tibetians and it is protected by International Law.


East Timor has already succeeded in its right of Self-determination and the people had an election and chose Indepence from Indonesia.

It is the same when the commonwealth of Puerto Rico, had an election and the people of Puerto Rico have the choice of remaining a commonwealth, Statehood or Independence.

Kenji shinoda, ------------that is the LAW.

The Ethnic people of that Nation whos' rights are protected by International Law make the Choice.


Self-determination : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_determination

[saigon76nyc]

i don't see why you bother arguing with him, byron. it isn't like anything he says will result in the dismantle of south vietnam.

do what i do, sit back and laugh at his wishful thinking.

Slanted Vision,


Of course what I say is not going to dismantle southern Vietnam.

But International Law WILL !

The Ethnic people of that Nation whos' rights are protected by International Law make the Choice.


Self-determination : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_determination

[Kenji shinoda]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_determination

This conflict has been resolved in practice by defining the notion of "people" entitled to self-determination as persons living in a particular nation-state rather than persons sharing a common culture or language. Hence, self-determination as it is understood in the early 21st century does not generally promote the political aspirations of oppressed ethnic minorities.

I got that paragraph from the same link you gave me. Besides, the Khmer people in Vietnam are not oppressed. They are allowed to keep their launguage, their culture. They have every right that a Vietnamese have in the country. They even had representatives in the the national assembly !!! WTF !!! Do you call that "oppressed" ?

Well ... If the Khmer people don't like living in Vietnam, they can always move back to Cambodia and enjoy the reign of Hunsen. I don't mind , the Vietnamese people don't mind so go ahead ! The government of Vietnam give them everything they gave to the Kinh so what the hell are you complaining about !?

This post has been edited by Kenji shinoda: Jun 11 2005, 04:26 AM

[Byron]

saigon76nyc , just a quick advice .... never ever consider yourself to be a Vietnamese as long as you still have that thought of giving south of Vietnam to Cambodia. It was the Cambodian's fault in the 1st place to invite the French over    And what was the result ? The whole Indochina was colonized, so us taking a small portion of their land is nothing  Count it as war reparation 

lol that land was not a war reparation from the French. It belonged to us since 1750 before the French arrived.

This post has been edited by Byron: Jan 15 2008, 03:58 PM

[Kenji shinoda]

saigon76nyc , just a quick advice .... never ever consider yourself to be a Vietnamese as long as you still have that thought of giving south of Vietnam to Cambodia. It was the Cambodian's fault in the 1st place to invite the French over    And what was the result ? The whole Indochina was colonized, so us taking a small portion of their land is nothing  Count it as war reparation 

lol that land was not a war reparation from the French. lol It belonged to us since 1750 before the French arrived.

Just shows you should never believe what so called "Vietnamese" who support the yellow flag with 3 stripes. They are so brainwashed with Jew American propaganda about "democracy" and "human rights" that they would rather ally with a so called "democratic group" like the Khmer Krom to give South Vietnam away to them rather than giving it to the Vietnamese people.

oops, my bad... i should have checked my information before i posted. What Byron said sound even better. But hey man, any reliable source for that ?

This post has been edited by Kenji shinoda: Jun 11 2005, 05:21 AM

[Byron]

Gives you the territories and the year that Vietnam got them. Vietnam got the rest of Khmer Krom in 1757 AD.

[waterlily]

Hey saigon76nyc, what the heck is wrong with your nickname? And what the heck is wrong with your avatar? doesn't bother me when you keep claiming the land of south vietnam to be khmer's, all cambodian have been saying that, just let them keep dreaming and dreaming. But it does bother me when you pose yourself as a Saigonese and waving South vietnam flag. You should go change your nickname to Cambodia76nyc or Khmer76nyc. and change your avatar also. Stop being a hypocrite. Stop waving South Vietnam flag when you yourself is a traitor to south vietnam. You don't deserve to be Vietnamese. You don't deserve a seat in vietnamese society or community.

[soro_i]

Now, now... Waterlily... he just excercising his "Right" as promised by delusional "Goverment of Free Vietnam" to dismantle Vietnam.

He just one confuse person. Let's all of us exorcise the evil combo from him. 2

Vietnamese Exiles can freely protest here in the United States, Australia, Canada, France and other free Nations for Religious Rights, Human Rights and Democracy.

If they were in Vietnam protesting for Religious Rights, Human Rights and Democracy, they would be jailed, prosecuted or even killed.



Vietnamese Exiles of all ages,  protest together for Human Rights in Vietnam.

[saigon76nyc]

Hey saigon76nyc, what the heck is wrong with your nickname? And what the heck is wrong with your avatar? doesn't bother me when you keep claiming the land of south vietnam to be khmer's, all cambodian have been saying that, just let them keep dreaming and dreaming. But it does bother me when you pose yourself as a Saigonese and waving South vietnam flag. You should go change your nickname to Cambodia76nyc or Khmer76nyc. and change your avatar also. Stop being a hypocrite. Stop waving South Vietnam flag when you yourself is a traitor to south vietnam. You don't deserve to be Vietnamese. You don't deserve a seat in vietnamese society or community.

I am not personally claiming the land, these are POLTICAL ISSUES that involve our country of Vietnam.

Being Khmer is my culture and well as Vietnamese, Vietnam is made up of over 25 ethnic minorities.

Minorities living in Vietnam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethni...oups_in_Vietnam


This is a political question that needs to be answered here.

Is this Vietnamese Serious Talk ?

Lets talk about some issues concerning Vietnamese people and Montagnards and other minorities that live in Vietnam.

These issues are discussed over the internet and also in exile communities.

Khmers Kampuchea-Krom Federation (KKF):

http://66.206.163.109/en/about_us.php

I am not waving the South Vietnam flag, before it was adopted by South Vietnam, it was the flag of the Nguyen Dynasty that was designed by Emperor Bao Dai and he wanted it to represent all people of Vietnam, regardless of ethnic or religion affilation.

Three Red stripes representing the three regions of Vietnam, North, Central, and Southern Vietnam, and the Yellow reprenting the people.

History of the Flag of the Republic of Vietnam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Republic_of_Vietnam

This post has been edited by saigon76nyc: Jun 11 2005, 11:06 AM