Khmer kick boxing Options

[eklypze]

OUR LOST KHMER KICKBOXING (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/cool30.gif)   (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

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[Sopheak]

we spend too much time trying to claim back kickboxing styles, with that time we could have promoted other khmer martial arts, and there are alot, i dont think kickboxing styles was the best we khmers came up with. and plus "muay thai" isnt even complete, we should try to research the whole system and kick their asses and show them whos boss.

This post has been edited by Sopheak: May 24 2005, 02:39 PM

[eklypze]

we spend too much time trying to claim back kickboxing styles, with that time we could have promoted other khmer martial arts, and there are alot, i dont think kickboxing styles was the best we khmers came up with. and plus "muay thai" isnt even complete, we should try to research the whole system and kick their asses and show them whos boss.

Khmers at the moment are also trying to promote Khmer Kung Fu through movies and occasional tournaments. Also, Pradal Serei (Muay Thai) is our sacred martial arts, we can't just let it go that easily, of course we want to claim it back.

[Sopheak]

Khmers at the moment are also trying to promote Khmer Kung Fu through movies and occasional tournaments. Also, Pradal Serei (Muay Thai) is our sacred martial arts, we can't just let it go that easily, of course we want to claim it back.

yeah your right, makes sense
but i havent seen any khmer kung fu on screen yet (except maybe krai thong krepeu charawan, not sure), unless they have it in Kabei leak koun, the forest scene, was that khmer kung fu or was it wushu. cause there is a cambodian wushu team and they preparing for olympics Beijing 2008. but they seem to lack confidence in themselves i noticed after reading and interview

im not saying give up on kickboxing, we should try to learn the whole style and kick ppls asses with it. hahahhah that would be a great story for a movie. hey someone should write screenplay about sumin like that.

pradal serei? isnt that free fighting, sounds more all out pugilism than a martial art. i thought its khmer Muoi is the what muay thai copied, excuse my spellings.

they should really bring back old cambodian martial art novels and plays, most cambodian adults tells me that khmer martial arts in those stories are nothing like khmer martial arts promoted today. But krabei leak goun was great in promoting that. War distroyed everything

i think we'll get there again. if masters will agree to bring them out to the world. We Khmers to have the ability to be up there. right now its the matter of support and time.

you guys should really ask your parents about old cambodian martial arts novels from the 60s and 50s, they fu-ken amazing, stories that could rival Jin Yong's Wuxias.

so epic

none of that tep soda chan, krepeu charawan stuff

like novels created by malapi, hui keung and i dont know the others

man i would love to see those stories on screen. great ways to promote khmer martial arts.

This post has been edited by Sopheak: May 24 2005, 09:11 PM

[nombaingsachko]

i think very soon, cambodia will start to promote bokor tao. this khmer martial art was just recently rediscovered and there are only two known survivors left who studied this martial art and they're very old too. but hopefully, with the ancient manual that was rediscovered, the khmers can start to practicing it more.

[eklypze]

was that khmer kung fu or was it wushu.

That was Khmer Kung Fu, not WuShu. Please also notice that Khmer Kung Fu was developed independantly from Chinese Kung Fu, and has it's name because it is very similar to Chinese Kung Fu.

but they seem to lack confidence in themselves i noticed after reading and interview

I agree, many Khmers do lack confidence in themselves. That is one of the major sources of our errors.

isnt that free fighting, sounds more all out pugilism than a martial art.

I'm sorry, my mistake.

i thought its khmer Muoi is the what muay thai copied, excuse my spellings.

I'm pretty sure it was Pradal Serei that Thais had copied. But of course, I could be mistaken.

they should really bring back old cambodian martial art novels and plays, most cambodian adults tells me that khmer martial arts in those stories are nothing like khmer martial arts promoted today. But krabei leak goun was great in promoting that. War distroyed everything

I have heard that too, there used to be such a variety of Khmer martial arts, it's a shame that so many of them have been lost by war. The worst thing is that there aren't even that many Khmer martial artists trying to bring up our name again. Sure we have some, but not enough.

i think we'll get there again. if masters will agree to bring them out to the world. We Khmers to have the ability to be up there. right now its the matter of support and time.

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[shoehorn.o.plent...]

i think very soon, cambodia will start to promote bokor tao. this khmer martial art was just recently rediscovered and there are only two known survivors left who studied this martial art and they're very old too. but hopefully, with the ancient manual that was rediscovered, the khmers can start to practicing it more.

lol, that sounds so movie-esque. finding some kapi kbach khun, haha. do you have any more information about this? i'm interested.

[nombaingsachko]

i think very soon, cambodia will start to promote bokor tao. this khmer martial art was just recently rediscovered and there are only two known survivors left who studied this martial art and they're very old too. but hopefully, with the ancient manual that was rediscovered, the khmers can start to practicing it more.

lol, that sounds so movie-esque. finding some kapi kbach khun, haha. do you have any more information about this? i'm interested.

i got this post from another forum. if it wasn't for the KR regime, this martial art could've been very popular and probably even turn into an international sport/martial art.

The Director of Khmer Sport Federation in Phnom Penh has just announced that his team has just re-discovered the 11th Century Khmer Manual (Kboun) on close-combat forms and movements once employed by Jayavarman VII troops to beat the Chams and the Siems during the Ankor period.

The researched started in the 1970 by the Khmer-Mon Institute in Phnom Penh, but was interrupted by the war and the murderous KR regime. The manuscript which was scribed on palm leaves (Sastra) was guarded by some khmer Boka Tor Masters, who acquired this ancient art from their predecessors in rural Cambodia. During the Pol Pot regime these masters, managed ho hide the manuscript under a 10-foot pile of cow dung and dirt. Now the survivors among these masters came out with the manuscript, and offer to translate the text and apply the theory to teach and inspire khmer youngs and olds to carry on, and develop this art into a full fledge national and perhaps international sport for the next khmer generation and the world to see and appreciate.

Boka Tor, means "Attack the Lion". It was a military hand-to-hand combat technique used by ancient khmer soldiers to do battle with club, knife, sword, spear, and shield, or worse case scenario barehands, elbows, and feets. I was a city boy not knowing anything about it, but had the chance to witness some khmer farm boys having rounds of matches for bet money and fun, in the ground of the village Wat occasionally when we had New Year or Kathin Festival. The match is performed with a cadence from a drum beat. It has many forms and movements with names such as "Crouching Tiger, Flying Monkey, Hanuman Hugging, etc.. You all remember Hanuman story I posted earlier. There are so many movements to learn as I was told, if you can master all of them, you will be able to put down a lion like a Roman Gladiator.

Guess what! our northern neighbors the Siems, took it, and rendered it to be their own creation so-called "Thai Kick-Boxing". I remeber when I was small and we had relation with Thailand, there were monthly scheduled fighting matches between khmer and thai kick/free boxers, which were performed with an ancient khmer funeral music in the background, and a spanking new coffin by the ringside in the arena near Wat Phnom. Yes, there were fatalities quite frequently, it just happend so often that the thai boxers ended up going home in the new coffin, and I ain't lying. It was so violent that many khmer mothers tell the husbands not to take the kids to the matches. Khmer boys from Siemreap, Battambang, and Kampong Thom were generally our best fighters and champion. The last hero we had was a young fighter name LONG BOVIT, he was my senior classman in our army cadet school, our instructors used to make him do a number of movements before our meals. (Wherever you are Bovit rest in peace my friend, the game is back in town!).

In the old day, I was told by my grandfather who had a few years (he has mean tatoos on both knees, shoulders, and elbows to prove it) of Bokar Tor himself, that the fighters would wrapped their hands in layers of raw cotton tread (tough stuff), with ground/broken up pieces of glass embedded with wood resin on the back of the hands, and sometimes piece of lead in the palms to give it a lethal effect. It was a mean tournament my friends, and it's not for amateurs. I assume this was the way Jayavarman VII chose his army officers, the guys who managed to stay upright after a half a dozen grueling deadly rounds. In rural cambodia, in some villages you can find a genuin farmer with Boka Tor training, sometimes to see the demonstration you can offer the man (guy with mean tatoos) a couple shots of chinese rice wine, he then will be happy to show-off his stuff, and if you can find two of them they would start the match right on the spot, without gloves of course.

The director indicates that Boka Tor training is open to male and female of all ages. As a matter of fact he saids that there are two grandmas (Yay) in their late sixties who already have a headstart on it, hoping to be the first to achieve the top rank of "Golden Kromar" (the khmer scarf will be used as belt, there are 12 levels). I guess the "yays" are fed up of being pushed around by Hun Sen's thugs, and decide to take no more crap (Lookout!!!).

It is rare for us khmer to be fortunate and be able to preserve such treasor, I wonder how many more of these precious artifacts got lost and burried under the cow manure, mud and ponds all around the country. How much of an effort the current ruler put on such noble tasks, or if anybody care!.

Anyway be on the lookout for the development, I can't wait to bring the Bokar Tor out so we can shut the Thai up with their so-called Thai-kick Boxing.
Let's give our compatriots all the support if and when they need us.

[nombaingsachko]

check out this new khmer martial arts movie. i can't wait for its release.

http://www.angkorwat.com/playmovies.php?wv...id=39&wcatid=58

[g0ldenchild]

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[eklypze]

check out this new khmer martial arts movie. i can't wait for its release.

http://www.angkorwat.com/playmovies.php?wv...id=39&wcatid=58

That movie looks awesome and so does the art they are using. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

[13BTT]

hello everybody. im new here

i do Badai Serai at Melbourne, Australia. do anybody do it to

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[chanthhha]

I do really want to share my comment about the allegation of native and traditional kickboxing, where it come from and who should it belong to?
I enjoy watching traditional khmer kickboxing which is known as KBECH KUN BORRAN KHMER. It is quite physical, fast and alot alternative styles such as elbows, knees and any part of the body, i believe from what i have seen. this sport, sometimes can be quite dangerous which can cause a severe injury, however i still loves the sport, i guess it is within my blood and i'm sure most khmers would believe that too!
I have been done a few research on internet (from khmer forum) and books (khmer empire and khmer arts). After reading the texts and internet i am more closer to identify who invented the sport.
Base on facts khmer was the oldest people and strongest in south eat asia, thus khmer was very powerful back during 9th and 14th centuries, which the khmer empire dominated and controlled both Thailand and Loa. In addition during those times khmer invented the culture, custome and especially sport. The neighbouring Siam (Thailand) and Loa was influences by the khmer culture, custome, sport and language. In the modern day, the custome, language, culture and sport tell us everything where it come from. The allegation about Muay Thai and talking closely, we khmers know that our ancient khmer invented the sport and it should be well recognised the world, that what it should be in my opinion, However i am shocked that Thailand did not give the credit to khmer and Loa, from what i have read from the history of muay thai '' we invented the sport'' by the Muay Thai federation. In fact they were misleading to statement, it is definitely is incorrect. Further The Muay Thai federation doing quiet an excellent job through marketing and promotion to raise the awareness of the sport to the world. I think it involved alot skills, knowledge and financial resources, in addition the popular of Muay Thai is growing bigger and better, in contrast the world no nothing about our native sport(Kun Borran Khmer) which shocked me the most, plus i am looking for improvement, development and solutions to let the world know where it should belong, nevertheless the biggest problems we are facing are poverty and lack of fanancial resources which is very difficult to cope and achieve to our expectation.
Finally i wish the develoment of this native khmer sport is improvement!

best of luck,

[Point_Dexter]

Muay Thai has developed into its own style. It evoled into a Thai style, but its origin is questionably not Thai.

Bokathor is the most refined fighting art of Cambodia. It is the true art of the nine limbs. Fighting in dense jungles you will need all nine limbs, elbow, knee, head included. To make it short, its like a blend of kickboxing, wu shu, and jujitsu. It uses the 9 limbs, 7 fist(head, hands, feet, knees) and about 25 lock holds. Lots of flying

This post has been edited by Point_Dexter: Jul 14 2005, 12:31 AM

[nombaingsachko]

Muay Thai has developed into its own style.  It evoled into a Thai style, but its origin is questionably not Thai.

Bokathor is the most refined fighting art of Cambodia.  It is the true art of the nine limbs. Fighting in dense jungles you will need all nine limbs, elbow, knee, head included.  To make it short, its like a blend of kickboxing, wu shu, and jujitsu.  It uses the 9 limbs, 7 fist(head, hands, feet, knees) and about 25 lock holds.  Lots of flying

bro, do you know anymore info on bokor tor? i've heard that it has just been rediscovered recently. some old bokor tor masters are now willing to translate the manuscripts and apply it to teach the younger khmer generation about this lost but deadly art.

[sbatina]

omg khmai kickboxing.. musled body omg.. ! i cant compete to that !and my parents arent lettin me to do kickboxing.. cos i will might kill some1 =) JKJK