Taiwan fishermen threaten to fly PRC flag if deman Options

[Suijen]

One good example are the Soong Sisters, Song Meiling, and Song Qingling.

Song Meiling was a Nationalist, wife of Chiang Kai Shek. Song Qing Ling was a communist and openly criticized Chiang Kai Shek. She was married to Sun yat Sen. Chiang's men actually threatened her, but she refused to back down.

When ever Song Meiling and Song Qingling met, even as sisters, the media would make it a big deal, because a Communist and a Nationalists cannot live under the same roof. They both began to avoid each toher.

When the Nationalists fled to Taiwan, Soong Qingling became the Vice President, more of a symbolic thing for the Communists. When Song Qingling died, Song Meling was without care.

The KMT and CCP division was easily seen. There's just a deep gash, and I don't think they will ever get to work together. i can only picture the CCp fall in a few decades.

I didn't think that Mao wanted to be crushed. Frankly, Mao was more faithful to Sun than Chang. Mao inputted Socialism and he kicked out the foreigners. No democracy, but then Chang wasn't very democratic either.

[yehzhaofeng]

Yes, you're right. I think Mao was actually more loyal to Sun. It was CHiang who ordered the massacre of the Communists in SHanghai.

It was really bad. The Communists were invited to Shanghai in a celebration for something, forgot. They arrived with banners, and a lot of flags, KMT, CCP, you name it and was preparing for a celebration.

Once they got off, the KMT ordered all guns to be confiscated for security purposes. They handed them over, but was suspecting something. when they headed off the train, the KMT soldiers machine gunned the rest of them while hundreds more tried to escape. Mao barely escaped the massacre. This dumb move resulted in a revolt by KMT soldiers in Central China. Hundreds if not Thousands under Zhou En Lai revolted and formed the first People's Liberation Army, in what, 1921?

This is how the whole thing got started, there wasn't even a PLA until the massacre.

[Suijen]

I wonder what Sun would say today about China? He'd have Taiwan unify with China, he'd have China bring more socialism/enforce constitution and bring more democracy. But then again, just because he's Sun doesn't mean that he's 100% correct right? Never copy/paste one system to another, as everything is different, so you're not sure if it'll blow up in your face, i.e. Soviet Union.

[chynagongju]

Isn't the KMT currently choosing a new...board or something?

I heard Ma Ying Jio [sp] is pretty popular there. That's funny cuz he visited here and my parents have pics with him, like 7 years ago? When he still wasn't that big. It's kinda funny to see him on TV and all that now. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

[yehzhaofeng]

Yeah. A lot of Ma Ying Jeou upporters. Some even Taidu supporters, don't know why.

[chynagongju]

Yeah. A lot of Ma Ying Jeou upporters. Some even Taidu supporters, don't know why.

It's cuz he's "good looking" and younger than most....people running for KMT positions of power (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

[caolucai]

yeah...it's a mystery why he's so popular. if one looks closely at his records/achievements, nothing really stands out...i guess he's just a really charismatic guy. ppl like him. the KMT needs Ma to win in 2008.

[Suijen]

The KMT has shifted it's position to a much more moderate stance for unification.

[caolucai]

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[product_ako]

Ma popularity started when he was Minister of Justice (1993-1996) and went after anybody involved with black gold. He lost his job in the Justice department because he just did not care who you were or how much guanxi you had, if you were involved with Black Gold, he would go after you.

People though that would be the end of his political career when he lost his position.

But he came back to be Mayor of Taipei, even with CSB and LTH supporting other Green candidates.

[caolucai]

Ma popularity started when he was Minister of Justice (1993-1996) and went after anybody involved with black gold.  He lost his job in the Justice department because he just did not care who you were or how much guanxi you had, if you were involved with Black Gold, he would go after you.

People though that would be the end of his political career when he lost his position.

But he came back to be Mayor of Taipei, even with CSB and LTH supporting other Green candidates.

??? Lee supported Ma

This post has been edited by caolucai: Jul 11 2005, 09:40 PM

[vanillababu]

Yeah. A lot of Ma Ying Jeou upporters. Some even Taidu supporters, don't know why.

middle of the road ppl i can see, but taidu ?? where are you getting this?

[product_ako]

Ma popularity started when he was Minister of Justice (1993-1996) and went after anybody involved with black gold.  He lost his job in the Justice department because he just did not care who you were or how much guanxi you had, if you were involved with Black Gold, he would go after you.

People though that would be the end of his political career when he lost his position.

But he came back to be Mayor of Taipei, even with CSB and LTH supporting other Green candidates.

??? Lee supported Ma

Is Ma a pan-Green politician?
LTH and CSB actively campaigned against Ma when he was running for Mayor of Taipei. Ma still won by a landslide.

I was glad to see Ma win and allow for video game arcades to be re-open. Why CSB shut down the video arcade in Sogo Department store is beyond me.

[vanillababu]

oo, you're talking about Ma's second term when 李應元 ran against him.

"But he came back to be Mayor of Taipei" seems to refer to the first time. Oh well.

[product_ako]

In terms of this thread, at least Ma has the backbone to claim Diaoyutai for ROC to protect the fishing rights of Taiwanese fishermen.

LTH wants to hand Diaoyutai to Japan as a solution

CSB doesn't know what to do but set up the 15th talks with Japan. If the first 14 talks didn't resolve the fishing dispute, I don't see anything good coming out of the 15th talk to help out the struggling Taiwanese fishermen. The last Taiwanese fishermen was fined over $66,000 USD for fishing in Chinese waters by Japan.

Diaoyutai belongs to China...ROC and PRC need to decide how to divide up the resources there. Japan is but an unwelcome foreign invader in the area.

[Suijen]

In terms of this thread, at least Ma has the backbone to claim Diaoyutai for ROC to protect the fishing rights of Taiwanese fishermen.

LTH wants to hand Diaoyutai to Japan as a solution

Why is LTH giving territory to Japan?

[product_ako]

LTH strategy to ensure TI is to give up all contested territory that ROC has.

LTH stated that all ROC territory on the mainland controled by the PRC is not contested by the ROC.

In addition he has advocated that Matsu and Kinmen be given to PRC as well. Since there is a strong connection of those island to Chinese history.

By giving up to Diaoyutai to the Japaneses, it forces PRC and Japan to resolve the disputed territory and allow Taiwan to be "free" from the conflict.

Thereby, strengthening LTH own argument that Taiwan was never part of China making TI is a natural consequence of that thesis.

And if that doesn't work. LTH has advocated that China be divided up into 7 other nations... All in the name of TI.

This post has been edited by product_ako: Jul 12 2005, 01:31 PM

[Suijen]

What a d!ck.

[product_ako]

That's what happens when your father is Japanese and one is hand pick to study at a Japanese University at a young age. LTH brother even died as a Japanese soldier.

LTH is just one confused M*therF*cker in my opinion. If you listen to the guy now he is becoming more and more extremist by the year. Last year he dressed up as a Japanese Samurai to promote his new LTH school for children stating it was teaching the "new Taiwanese" identity.

The guy is just yearning to go back to the "Golden Age" of Taiwan under Japanese rule or something.

[Suijen]

That's what happens when your father is Japanese and one is hand pick to study at a Japanese University at a young age.  LTH brother even died as a Japanese soldier.

LTH is just one confused M*therF*cker in my opinion.  If you listen to the guy now he is becoming more and more extremist by the year.  Last year he dressed up as a Japanese Samurai to promote his new LTH school for children stating it was teaching the "new Taiwanese" identity.

The guy is just yearning to go back to the "Golden Age" of Taiwan under Japanese rule or something.

Japanese Samurai. You're lying; no wait that hoser would do that.