The Battle of Salsu: Salsu Daechup, Grandest defeat in asia's history Options

[Titanium]

I must admit, hi-head is quite a character, never have I seen a poster take this forum so seriously LOL. It's almost as if it was a matter of life or death to him (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2 funny indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if he acts the way he does in real life as he does in here. Oh as far as the topic is concerned, the successful Koguryo repelling against the Sui is quite a grand military feat (yes as I Chinese who's being objective agree). However it doesn't take anything away from China or Chinese military history (if that's being implied.....remember I noted the keyword if here before anyone wants to jump on my case).

[Mr. Tree]

wow didnt know this would happen, how is Chynagongju biased; YOU are the one who started with the insults (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/sure.gif)

anyway idd still like to know the name of that 'book' you got that text from.

[azndood]

sui invasions of koguryo eventually led to its collapse

this is common knowledge mr.tree

[hi-head]

well tree, here's the name of the goddamn book if you can read it: 한권으로 읽는 고구려 왕조실록. It is one of the most comprehensive, non-biased and balanced history publication detailing koguryo history, it's part of a series that examine korean history using ancient texts from korea, china, and japan, mostly from china. The thing is, some of you losers would rant that it's a korean book so it's not credible, and all that bull$hit...so i didnt bother to tell you the title of the book. But as you see, the Sui-she was referenced to in that book, and i just merely translated the chapter. This author is indeed a fairly good historian, this book seriously examines all mainstream viewpoints on a particular subject, the debate goin on regarding certain theories in a balanced manner...when you read it, you know you can trust this author.

and titanium- i wasnt implying anything. you can draw the conclusions yourself, but i was just merely discussing a truly amazing military feat in our history. cant i do that?
and yes, although most of the time i'm chilled out, there are certain annoying people that tick me off, and usually this tends to end up in some violence in real life. Let me just tell you that mr.tree is lucky to be arguin with me online. I just can't stand ignorance and arrogance. These two qualities set fire in me. Mr. Tree has both.

and sirgika, what's up with assuming things about me? perhaps you think koreans as inanimate objects? I never said anything down about chinese in this thread, except your academia, which is TRULY retarded, i will emphasize again. But mind you, i see you people as people, just like everyone else

[Aqueousview]

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This post has been edited by Jasel: Jul 8 2005, 08:24 AM

[CTM2000]

Why are you Chinese nationalists denying the blatant obvious facts of history? Are you really that obsessed with saving face? Are you going to deny losing to the Mongols and the Manchus as well? Hey I can admit that Korea with the help of Ming China successfully repelled a Japanese invasion. It's an obvious historical fact that no one can deny no matter how nationalstic you are, of course Japan eventually got her way as she annexed and ruled Korea for 35 years (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2 but that's a different topic.

[Mr. Tree]

To CTM: dude in what way did i imply i denied anything? i was just asking for reference to actual sources from hi head (bong head to be exact) since most of the time he doesnt.

To Bong Head: btw its easy to talk up big when your behind a computer screen buddy.
and probably half way across the planet.... lucky bastard

This post has been edited by Mr. Tree: Jul 7 2005, 09:54 PM

[chynagongju]

Stop the personal attacks...(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif)

[Adwaregator]

wow now is that fu-kin bias. you give me more warning for attacking YOUR country?

you shouldnt be mod.

loot at this situation, dont you fu-kin understand how pissed off i am? Mr.Tree is a fu-kin moron, and he disses korea all the time, without any, ANY knowledge whatsoever. Never seen a chinese so ignorant. This kid is no contribution to this forum

wow. did you or did you not attack Mr. Tree personally? Did you or did you not attack the whole nation of China for having "retarded academics?" Regardless of WHAT country it was, it would have warranted a warning. Chill out.

So get mad at him, PM him with all the expletives, bashing his mom whatever you want. Don't do it on the forum and DO NOT take it out on me. I don't deserve your crap.

EDIT: Oh yeah, btw you both got ONE warning regardless of what I said it was for. How about CHECKING your warning stuff BEFORE reporting me as a bias mod to the other mods? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif)

i think it's mainly do to the fact that you called him out that makes it look biased...most mods are just blah blah warned for personal attacks and that's the end of it.

[chynagongju]

wow now is that fu-kin bias. you give me more warning for attacking YOUR country?

you shouldnt be mod.

loot at this situation, dont you fu-kin understand how pissed off i am? Mr.Tree is a fu-kin moron, and he disses korea all the time, without any, ANY knowledge whatsoever. Never seen a chinese so ignorant. This kid is no contribution to this forum

wow. did you or did you not attack Mr. Tree personally? Did you or did you not attack the whole nation of China for having "retarded academics?" Regardless of WHAT country it was, it would have warranted a warning. Chill out.

So get mad at him, PM him with all the expletives, bashing his mom whatever you want. Don't do it on the forum and DO NOT take it out on me. I don't deserve your crap.

EDIT: Oh yeah, btw you both got ONE warning regardless of what I said it was for. How about CHECKING your warning stuff BEFORE reporting me as a bias mod to the other mods? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif)

i think it's mainly do to the fact that you called him out that makes it look biased...most mods are just blah blah warned for personal attacks and that's the end of it.

please notice that he said "MORE warning" I did not give him MORE warning. They both got 1. in warnings you have to say why. so, i said why. he was warned for flaming and personal attack whereas mr. tree was for personal attack.

[Adwaregator]

wow now is that fu-kin bias. you give me more warning for attacking YOUR country?

you shouldnt be mod.

loot at this situation, dont you fu-kin understand how pissed off i am? Mr.Tree is a fu-kin moron, and he disses korea all the time, without any, ANY knowledge whatsoever. Never seen a chinese so ignorant. This kid is no contribution to this forum

wow. did you or did you not attack Mr. Tree personally? Did you or did you not attack the whole nation of China for having "retarded academics?" Regardless of WHAT country it was, it would have warranted a warning. Chill out.

So get mad at him, PM him with all the expletives, bashing his mom whatever you want. Don't do it on the forum and DO NOT take it out on me. I don't deserve your crap.

EDIT: Oh yeah, btw you both got ONE warning regardless of what I said it was for. How about CHECKING your warning stuff BEFORE reporting me as a bias mod to the other mods? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif)

i think it's mainly do to the fact that you called him out that makes it look biased...most mods are just blah blah warned for personal attacks and that's the end of it.

please notice that he said "MORE warning" I did not give him MORE warning. They both got 1. in warnings you have to say why. so, i said why. he was warned for flaming and personal attack whereas mr. tree was for personal attack.

eh i'll just end it at

[<--more hi-head for the "retarded country academics" remark]

that's what i meant...

[chynagongju]

wow now is that fu-kin bias. you give me more warning for attacking YOUR country?

you shouldnt be mod.

loot at this situation, dont you fu-kin understand how pissed off i am? Mr.Tree is a fu-kin moron, and he disses korea all the time, without any, ANY knowledge whatsoever. Never seen a chinese so ignorant. This kid is no contribution to this forum

wow. did you or did you not attack Mr. Tree personally? Did you or did you not attack the whole nation of China for having "retarded academics?" Regardless of WHAT country it was, it would have warranted a warning. Chill out.

So get mad at him, PM him with all the expletives, bashing his mom whatever you want. Don't do it on the forum and DO NOT take it out on me. I don't deserve your crap.

EDIT: Oh yeah, btw you both got ONE warning regardless of what I said it was for. How about CHECKING your warning stuff BEFORE reporting me as a bias mod to the other mods? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif)

i think it's mainly do to the fact that you called him out that makes it look biased...most mods are just blah blah warned for personal attacks and that's the end of it.

please notice that he said "MORE warning" I did not give him MORE warning. They both got 1. in warnings you have to say why. so, i said why. he was warned for flaming and personal attack whereas mr. tree was for personal attack.

eh i'll just end it at

[<--more hi-head for the "retarded country academics" remark]

that's what i meant...

I know, if I didn't specify, I'm sure it would be met with "WHERE?! )(*&#$# did I flame??!" The [more for ;lakdjfal] was to specify that flaming was more for hi-head than mr. tree. mr. tree personally attacked hi-head, didn't flame korea.

[qnpfr]

how is this battle recorded in chinese history? im curious...

[oblivion38]

Did you or did you not attack the whole nation of China for having "retarded academics?" Regardless of WHAT country it was, it would have warranted a warning. Chill out.

That China has "retarded academics", where "retarded" means politically manipulated and biased, and assuming whole nation of China means "territory of China controlled by the whole-controlling totalitarian communist party", I believe what hi-head said were facts of truth. As long as what he said were facts of truth, they were not slander, thus you have no right to repress his freedom of speech that which is based on facts. Now, I don't have a problem with you to warn him for personally insulting Mr. Tree, but if you have a problem with him attacking a politicaly entity, China, refute the basis for his facts, rather than to threaten him with power.

This post has been edited by oblivion38: Jul 8 2005, 12:30 AM

[chynagongju]

Did you or did you not attack the whole nation of China for having "retarded academics?" Regardless of WHAT country it was, it would have warranted a warning. Chill out.

That China has "retarded academics", where "retarded" means politically manipulated and biased, and whole nation of China means "territory of China controlled by the whole-controlling totalitarian communist party", I believe what hi-head said were facts of truth. As long as what he said were facts of truth, they were not slander, thus you have no right to repress his freedom of speech that which is based on facts. If you have a problem, refute the basis for his facts, rather than threaten him with power.

I wonder if you read everything before that. I didn't threaten him at all. Don't kow where you got that from.

Did he define "retarded" in that fashion? Is that how "retarded" is seen in common language? I got a report about his comment. and NOT from Mr. Tree.

His warning was not ONLY for that btw. Which you would know if you read the posts and parts of posts before your quote.

[oblivion38]

I wonder if you read everything before that. I didn't threaten him at all. Don't kow where you got that from.

Did he define "retarded" in that fashion? Is that how "retarded" is seen in common language? I got a report about his comment. and NOT from Mr. Tree.

His warning was not ONLY for that btw. Which you would know if you read the posts and parts of posts before your quote.

Perhaps you are not familiar with power, and its consequences.

Mr. Tree and Hi-head both warned for personal attacks and flaming [<--more hi-head for the "retarded country academics" remark]

When you give people warnings, you are imposing unilateral power over others. You may believe that you are only giving them warnings, as in non-threatning words of advice. But warnings are warnings. They are advice based on threats, enfored by power, which in your case is your authority as a mod. Warn him for making personal attacks, but do not warn him for "flaming" on a political entity that is judged as guilty by the Korean people.

[chynagongju]

I wonder if you read everything before that. I didn't threaten him at all. Don't kow where you got that from.

Did he define "retarded" in that fashion? Is that how "retarded" is seen in common language? I got a report about his comment. and NOT from Mr. Tree.

His warning was not ONLY for that btw. Which you would know if you read the posts and parts of posts before your quote.

Perhaps you are not familiar with power, and its consequences.

Mr. Tree and Hi-head both warned for personal attacks and flaming [<--more hi-head for the "retarded country academics" remark]

When you give people warnings, you are imposing unilateral power over others. You may believe that you are only giving them warnings, as in non-threatning words of advice. But warnings are warnings. They are advice based on threats, enfored by power, which in your case is your authority as a mod. Warn him for making personal attacks, but do not warn him for "flaming" on a political entity that is judged as guilty by the Korean people.

Perhaps you don't understand that when he used that word, he didn't intend it in that manner, and if he did, others did not see it like that, which is why he was reported for that.

Threatening? I believe he was threatening as well. He even took threatening actions.

It's interesting that you only choose to lecture me on my threats whereas his statements, which include much more expletives and anger are let go without a second glance.

[oblivion38]

To CTM: dude in what way did i imply i denied anything? i was just asking for reference to actual sources from hi head (bong head to be exact) since most of the time he doesnt.

To Bong Head: btw its easy to talk up big when your behind a computer screen buddy.
and probably half way across the planet.... lucky bastard

三國史記

[oblivion38]

Perhaps you don't understand that when he used that word, he didn't intend it in that manner, and if he did, others did not see it like that, which is why he was reported for that.

He could have meant many things by using the word "retarded", but to give a negative light on those... so called Chinese "academics" is just. If you warn him for using PROFANITY rathern than his motives, I completely agree with your decisions.

Threatening? I believe he was threatening as well. He even took threatening actions.

So what did he do? Tell you that he'll ban you from the AF forums? Or did he actually.. ban you, that he took threatening actions?

It's interesting that you only choose to lecture me on my threats whereas his statements, which include much more expletives and anger are let go without a second glance.

I'm also discontented by his use of profanity, and I will accuse him so in private.

This post has been edited by oblivion38: Jul 8 2005, 02:57 AM

[Jasel]

And mr.tree, i've never seen an idiot as dumb as you are. Judging from your stupidity, your mom could be retarded enough to give birth on a cowfield.

what a retard, can you fu-kin read? go back to your retarded mom's womb, and reborn in the right place now. This time tell your fu-kin mom not to give birth on a cowfield.

haha what a fu-kin imbecile, you're genetically deformed.

Mr. Tree

your already sprouting out bs, i might not be some academic jack off but at least im not a bs artist. *pointing to you* yea and where did you state that it came from Chinese sources? moron, you just said that after you posted what an idiot

how is that a source fu-k wit

if that wasnt dumb enough, your using a forum as a source; how stupid can you be, its like trying to beleive half the $hit they post on stormfont, idiot. the people on that site arnt even Academics and are using recycled info from a number of other sites, there is not ONE reference to a book.... you suck

Anyone with any common sense can see that they both deserved warnings. Personally I would have temp banned both of them. But Chyna gave them BOTH warnings so I don't see why people here are complaining about bias. If it bothers you so much complain to Ben. But don't sit around making accusations of bias without any kind of evidence especially when no favoritism is being shown.

This post has been edited by Jasel: Jul 8 2005, 08:21 AM