My rant on filipinos, my rant Options

[Shurato_2]

We don't study our dialects and we don't know our pre-hispanic identity that's why were divided
eventhough our languages and tribes are different we share the same origin.
Filipinos share the same origins but ancient filipinos don't call themselves filipino their word for human is Tau/Tao which were changed later on when vernaculars diversified Tau became tolay,tawo,etch Yami people who came to taiwan(irala)from the philippines still call themselves tao it's the spaniards fault some of people like yami/Tao that speak a "philippine type" language be separated from other speakers of those the "philippine type" i put quotion marks in philippine type because ancient philippine term for human is Tao and commonly word for human is also the word for ethnicity and the yami still practice their ancient religion not like most "filipinos" who were forced to be converted to islam and christianity."filipinos"had no centralized government that's why we are easily invaded by spain.

and that's the reason why "malay filipinos"are called as tao by the aetas.

This post has been edited by Shurato_2: Jul 22 2005, 05:23 AM

[ronin]

Filipinos (East Indies Malays) weren’t called Filipinos during colonial times nor were Chinese Filipinos. The name “Filipinos” was given to Spanish Criollos (or white Spanish colonists) who lived in the Philippines. East Indies Malays were called either “indios” by the Spanish Friars or “Manilamen” for those East Indies malays that served in the Spanish Galleons between Mexico, P.I., and China, as Manilamen mercenaries in China’s wars and Mexico’s independence, or in America’s War of 1812 and American Civil War. It was the KKK revolutionary group that took the name “Filipino” to encompass all the Filipinos fighting for independence. Modern Filipinos sometimes call themselves by their regional origin like Visayan, Palawan, Cebuano, Bicol, Mindanao, Zamboanga, Illocano, Batangueno, etc just like their former colonizer country Spain where Spaniards prefer to be called by their region of origin like Austurias, Castillian, Gallician, Aragonese, Catalan, Andalucia, Basque, and Cantabria. Despite that they’re all the same people. Those places use to be independent kingdoms in pre-colonial times just like those regions in medieval Spain before they were conquered by the moors. I think it’s been that way for centuries. That’s why they’re provinicial sometimes from what I see in some Filipino Americans here in Illinois.

Tao and commonly word for human is also the word for ethnicity and the yami still practice their ancient religion not like most "filipinos" who were forced to be converted to islam and christianity.

Filipino Muslims weren’t forced into Islam violently like Christianity in Europe and Americas or Islam in the Middle East and North Africa. They converted to Islam when Muslim missionaries from the Arabian Peninsula were peacefully prostelizing Islam to the East Indies Malays. They came there with Arab merchant sailors that were doing business with the datus and malay kings in the east indies. I read about this in some Malaysian and Filipino travel books. This one Arab Imam settled in the pre-colonial southern Philippines (I forgot which province), married a Malay woman and was buried there.

[Shurato_2]

Yes I agree that islam was not violently forced in the philippines but the spanish were too much and we were once called as indios
and some countries were divided in the past eventhough the people there are related example: italy,spain,france and the early inhabitants of the philippines don't have a central government that's why spaniards took the philippines much easily.

[Rocky Cuong V]

Shurato_2 sounds like a troll!

[ronin]

Yes I agree that islam was not violently forced in the philippines but the spanish were too much and we were once called as indios
and some countries were divided in the past eventhough the people there are related example: italy,spain,france and the early inhabitants of the philippines don't have a central government that's why spaniards took the philippines much easily.

Actually the Spanish that came to the Philippines were small in numbers but had advanced weapons such as the arquebusier and cannons and could easily take on any SE Asian Army other than Japan or China. Spanirads before they colonized the Americas went through Civil Wars with each other, fought off the moors for 700 years, and fought other Europeans like the English, Dutch, and Italians during this time. That’s why they had advance weapons like the Mongolians, Manchus, Japanese and Chinese during the time. They were constantly at war.
But, Magellen and Conquistador Legaspi tried to maintain friendly relationship with various Datus because they know the Malays were good fighters. They’re not pushovers like the American Indians. They also had good swords like the Spaniards' rapiers. Look what Datu Sulayman did. For Magellan he got his head chopped off by Datu Lapu because he befriended other Datus who were Datu Lapu’s enemies. His mistake. The Spanish, British, Americans, and Japanese respected the Filipinos sword fighting abilities, rifle marksmanship, and seaman ship that the Spaniards recruited them as Marines and Sailors to guard their galleon merchant ships that were sailing to Mexico from other Asian and European pirate ships. The Spanish galleon ships were prized pickings for Dutch, English, Portuguese, French, Japanese, Chinese, and Malay pirates in Asia and the Americas. Majority of the crew on Spanish Galleon ships were Filipino malays.
And the various independent Spanish Kingdoms is what got them invaded by the Moors. The Spanish and Germans invaded the various independent Italian states in Italy in the Renaissance since they had no real strong central government. Divide and Conquer.

This post has been edited by ronin: Jul 22 2005, 09:15 AM

[Kanlungan]

Wow, it sounded that you're blaming the our ancestors! What the hell do you want us to do, time travel 500 years ago and try to create an "empire" in these 7,107 islands?

How could Filipino historians study very well our pre-hispanic past when most, in not all, were destroyed by the Spaniards? The only basis of the historians with regards to the pre-historic past are the accounts written by the Spaniards and some very few authenticated artifacts

and that's the reason why "malay filipinos"are called as tao by the aetas.

You aren't Filipino, I suppose. "Tao" means human in most of the Philippine languages. What the hell do you want to say the "malay" Filipinos are humans and the aetas are not? You must be crazy.

[dalawapo]

we should call ourselves TAONESE perhaps? -thumbsup

f.y.i guam also native word for ppl is tao i believe

but anyway, to me tao is a very speical most important word, its like our own! evidently it traces back to our roots and allude 2 our once common bond before we had split into different nations, which i guess you guys are forecasting to happen pretty soon going by all the dialouge in d filipino forum.

This post has been edited by dalawapo: Jul 22 2005, 11:28 PM

[tehwprks]

I've always had the idea that we should implement Tagalog's pre-coloniam Baybayin script into modern day Filipino. But I guess that wouldn't fly too well with Filipinos nowadays.

I wouldn't go so far as to blame our ancestors for seceding to the Spanish so readily. It's probably in our nature to promote regionalism and close family ties rather than national unity. If you look now, we distinguish ourselves between Tagalog, Ilocano, Visayas, etc etc. If ever you met a fellow Filipino, you ask them where they're from, what their region is, etc. Much like the situation between the Dutch and Indonesia, the Philippine Islands was taken over because of "Divide & Conquer". Not to suggest the Idea that we were taken over so easily. At least we put up a fight. It's rather not because we didn't have a structured centralized government over our Islands, but because of the rise of Colonialism and European Imperialism. If i had to blame one thing, which I'd rather not willingly, It would be the latter.

This post has been edited by tehwprks: Jul 22 2005, 11:43 PM

[ronin]

Even if pre-colonial Philippines had a strong centralized government like Chosun Kingdom and Ming China during the time, the Spanish would still colonize the Philippines. It’s technology and warfare in Europe that caused the Philippines to be colonized not because they had no central government. The same can be said about her neighbors like the East Indies, India, Vietnam, Coastal China, and Chosun Kingdom some of whom had strong central governments. As I said in my previous post, the Spanish and other Europeans had advanced weapons and horse cavalry. They were going through civil wars in their own lands, fighting against their neighbors, fighting for or against reformation, fighting off the North African Moors and Ottoman Turks etc. Warfare causes necessity which causes many inventions like WW2, the Cold War, and the first Gulf War. Look at how many inventions resulted after WW2.
Even if the Spanish did not come, it would have been the English, Dutch, or Portuguese who had heavy activities in that area because they wanted trade with China and the Spices in the East Indies. Magellan and the Spanish wanted to build a trading port in the Philippines to compete with the Portuguese and the Dutch and soon the English who were already in the area before them. Spanish along with the Portuguese, English, French, and Dutch were accidental colonizers because of the technology they had which lead them to sail around the world in under a year. The British tried though to invade the Philippines in the mid 18th century during the 7 years war but got their butts handed to them royally by the Spanish officers and the Malay auxillery soldiers.
The Filipino Malays did not have the Arquebusier and Musket rifles. They probably saw firecrackers and gunpowder from the Chinese and Arab traders but they didn’t use it as a weapon because there was no real enemy presence or real war at the time. They were just trading with each other peacefully. They’re not known to have a large cavalry like the Medieval Europeans during this time or northern nomadic Manchus, Mongols, and Turks or the Japanese Samurais like the Takeda Shingen’s horse Knights. They probably had horses on their lands before the Spanish but they probably traded them with the Chinese or Arabs. They weren’t actually warring with other Datus in a heavy scale the same way Japanese Daimyos were heavily warring with each other in medieval Japan during the Sengoku Jidai. The Filipinos mostly used Tamaraw and Carabao as beast of burden in their lands.
Those Datus were actually being smart if you think about it like the last Japanese Tokugawa Shogunate in the 19th century when they first met Commadore Perry and his US Navy squadron of steamed powered warships. Some of those Datus befriended Legaspi and they had to accept the changing world around them, otherwise their people will be massacred if they keep resisting and the Malays would truly be in the minority in the Philippines. Look at what happened to Japan and the Chosun Kingdom (Modern Korea) in the 19th century when the US Navy arrived in their ports. Japan and Korea were still in the Middle Ages in the mid 19th century before the American Navy arrived. When they arrived Japan chose to accept trade treaties with the American and later the Europeans because they saw the power of their steamships, rifles, and cannons. Their firearms are still in the 17th century era. They opened their ports and became a westernized country during the Meji Restoration when they returned power to the Japanese emperor. They had to learn from the West in a hurry. The Korean King told the Americans to f*ck off when the US Navy first arrived in 1871. They soon fought out a bloody battle with the US Navy even though they had antiquated spears, cannons, and the famous “Turtle Boat” ships which they later on during the battle used as flaming boat torpedo against the American ships which was not effective.
You can find out more about the Korean Campaign of 1871 in this site:
http://www.homeofheroes.com/wallofhonor/ko...1/2_hermit.html
I wouldn’t say the Spanish fully destroyed the Malay culture. The Spanish colonists that went to the Philippines were only small in numbers and they resided in the port cities of the Philippines like Manila or Cebu. The rural areas of the Philippines was left untouched. The Spanish let the Spaniard friars to go to these untouched rural areas to prostelize catholicism and inconsequently become the lone representatives of the Spanish government and the Catholic Church. I was reading in my Filipino history books that the Spanish friars accidentally help preserved the Filipino’s languages. The Spanish Friars in the Philippines had to teach themselves how to speak the native dialects of the malays and Chinese to give out mass in the local dialects instead of forcing them to learn Spanish like what their counterparts did to the Native American Indians in Latin America. That’s why modern Filipinos still speak their native dialects.
The week before Christmas, some of the Filipino American community in my mom's neighborhood holds the “Simbang Gabi” celebration at my mom’s church in the Northwest Side of Chicago. The small school children held festive traditional Filipino Folk dances in front of the Filipino and White parishioners as well as the Chicago Priests and Bishops. They only assimilated their names and religion but most of their culture is still in tact. Filipinos still speak their languages, show respect to their elders by placing the elder’s hands on their forehead and receive blessing, and still have their Arnis martial arts that were used in Bruce Lee’s movies, the Matrix movies, and Brad Pitt’s Troy.
They also made archaeological discoveries of pre-colonial Philippines but I doubt it would make big news in Discover Magazine or National Geographics unless if it’s something revolutionary like Flores Man in Indonesia. No offense to anyone but our ancient ancestors as well as our neighbors ancestors in the East Indies, Indochina, Korea, and Japan aren’t as big to the world’s ancient past as the ancient Egyptians, India, Mongolians, Imperial Chinese, Romans, Greeks, or Turks were or the Mayans, Olmecs, Atecs, and Incas in the Americas. I have books and info on pre-colonial Philippines that my dad brought over to the Philippines when I was in high school in the 90’s. I don’t have a working scanner otherwise I would scan the pictures like this huge long boat that Filipino traders traveled in. It looks similar to the Viking longboats with a dragon's head. I also have some books about pre-colonial mythology stories the Filipinos wrote in their own written languages. You can find more about pre-colonial Philippines in this site:
http://www.geocities.com/gcalla1/pearl.htm
They have the written texts of the pre-colonial languages that the Filipino ancestors used.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/5727/
http://www.filipinolinks.com/History/Pre-colonial/

This post has been edited by ronin: Jul 23 2005, 06:55 AM

[supernovasp]

^^ But Philipines were colonized MUCH earlier than Vietnam.

[dalawapo]

^^ But Philipines were colonized MUCH earlier than Vietnam.

wasnt vietnam ruled by china for like 1,000 years?

[Kanlungan]

^^ I didn't know that...

[dalawapo]

*dont wanna start a fight*

*god is love* *god is love*

This post has been edited by dalawapo: Jul 23 2005, 03:05 PM

[TakTAk-Boy]

*dont wanna start a fight*

*god is love* *god is love*

too late for that now buddy...get youre @ss ready to expect a viet gangbang tonight. 2

[dalawapo]

well that is what i read...

[datulubay]

I was reading in my Filipino history books that the Spanish friars accidentally help preserved the Filipino’s languages. The Spanish Friars in the Philippines had to teach themselves how to speak the native dialects of the malays and Chinese to give out mass in the local dialects instead of forcing them to learn Spanish like what their counterparts did to the Native American Indians in Latin America. That’s why modern Filipinos still speak their native dialects.

That's right. the friars did help in preserving the native languages, because the language they used to evangelize and convert most of us to Christianity. and they have been very successful in that area. That explains why most of our early written literature were religious, didactic and moralistic.
We have to thank the friars for that, but also resent them for destroying whatever literature our ancestors have produced believing that these are works of the devil, or that was how they wanted our ancestors to believe.

Please bear in mind, however, that the native languages ARE languages, not dialects. to refer to a language as a dialect is derogatory. a dialect is a subdivision or a lower classification of a language. for a long time we have been taught in our schools to think that language is English, and any other Philippine language is a dialect or vernacular. It also helps if we begin to think that our language - be it Tagalog or Kinaray-a, etc. is a language at par with English and other languages in the world.
makakatulong din kung gamitin natin ang ating wika sa pangungusisa at pag-aaral para masulong natin ang intelektwalisasyon ng Filipino. kaya lang tayo nag-iingles dahil Ingles ang ginamit natin sa pag-aaral at pagtuturo, pero sana umpisahan na nating gamitin ang Filipino sa mga forum at diskusyong tulad nito.

[LiftinxHard]

My rant..

the filipinos ive seen are ugly as hell, filipinos are very short, and they got flat noses, people like that look unevolved to me.

[Eclectic Asian]

My rant..

the filipinos ive seen are ugly as hell, filipinos are very short, and they got flat noses, people like that look unevolved to me.

i feel sorry for this fool's narrow-mindedness....

....blinded by ignorance and prejudice

[Matsuoka_NSJAP]

My rant..

the filipinos ive seen are ugly as hell, filipinos are very short, and they got flat noses, people like that look unevolved to me.

You must be kidding, you do realize that your whole rant can be based on all South East Asians right?

[TakTAk-Boy]

My rant..

the filipinos ive seen are ugly as hell, filipinos are very short, and they got flat noses, people like that look unevolved to me.

You must be kidding, you do realize that your whole rant can be based on all South East Asians right?

i'm guessing this bumm must have wanted some filo-action but couldn't get some so now he bitter and $hit....cuz this monkey actually took the time to post this crap.