Should the Philippines be a american state, ok Options

[Shurato_2]

Should the Philippines be a american state since the philippines is experiencing bancruptcy while america does not experience it.

Sabi nila mayabang ang pilipino.

And food is getting expensive in the philippines and some can't buy bread.

This post has been edited by Shurato_2: Jul 22 2005, 04:57 AM

[Rocky Cuong V]

Would you sell your daughter away for food?

[ronin]

US always intended to give the Philippines their independence before WW2 because some Congressmen wanted to stop the flow of Filipino immigration. Technically they were considered American citizens like Puerto Ricans, Guam, and US Virgin Islands. Majority of these Filipinos who worked in fields and fish canneries in California and Hawaii were men and they were intermarrying the Anglo-American and white Mexican women in the early 1900's because there were not a lot of Filipinas women there except for the Filipinas women who were educated in American colleges in the midwest and the east coast. One southern congressmen thought Filipino men were a social threat to white America. If the Philippines wanted to be part of the US, it would happened a long time ago like Alaska and Hawaii.
If Filipinos really want to fix their economy, follow my ideas in my other posts
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...ndpost&p=805252
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...ndpost&p=895323
Philippines isn’t that messed up compared to other poor countries . I’ve seen real poverty in Africa, Central America, Nepal, and Bangladesh. Filipinos here shouldn’t complain. They have jeepneys to get to work, school, or to the market. Those other poorer countries don’t even have rickshaws. Young Filipino Architects also built buildings and bridges like these in Quezon City, Makati, Cebu City, and other Philippine cities:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay...?s=&forumid=295
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quezon_City
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cebu
http://www.aneki.com/asia_richest.html

This post has been edited by ronin: Jul 22 2005, 06:43 AM

[oanari]

US always intended to give the Philippines their independence before WW2 because some Congressmen wanted to stop the flow of Filipino immigration.

If America really wanted the Philippines to be independent before WW2, then why America have to colonized the Philippines with the reason to "Christianize the Filipinos?" They could have just came to the Philippines, "defeat" Spain and then leave. But why do they have to kill 200,000 to 1 million Filipinos? The reason why they keep the Philippines is because of Philippines vital location. During that time, the Philippines is the gateway to Asia. Also because America wanted to established her present in Asia.

Technically they were considered American citizens like Puerto Ricans, Guam, and US Virgin Islands.

When the Philippines was an American colony, the Filipinos at that time are not American citizen, they were more like "American nationals." Pueto Ricans, Guamanian, U.S. Virgin Islanders, American Samoan are not American citizens, they are American nationals. The people of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and the Territories of U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa are not allowed to cast their votes in the U.S. General Election, so they are not citizens of the United States, but they can go to the US mainland freely, I mean they don't have to go to a lot of troubles to travel in the mainland.

If the Philippines wanted to be part of the US, it would happened a long time ago like Alaska and Hawaii.

The Philippines does not want to be part of the United States, that's why we have the Philippine-American War. The United States wanted to colonized the Philippines, while the Filipinos wanted to be independent.

In the case of Alaska and Hawaii. When gold and oil was discovered in Alaska, United States found fortune, so they have to intend to keep Alaska because of its natural resources. Also, because the American feared that the Soviet might take Alaska back. Hawaii, on the other hand, is not the same as to what happened to Alaska. After World War 2, White Americans outnumbered Native-Hawaiians (10-4). There are about 100,000 native Hawaiians during the 50s. All the native-Hawaiians wanted their independence back, but the White Americans wanted Hawaii to be a U.S. State.


Philippines is a rich country, the problems why Filipinos are so poor. 1) Corruption, 2) insurgents (NPA, MILF, MNLF, ASG, Pentagon, HMP etc) 3) Metro Manila and its people, 4) Filipinos, especially the C, D, F, class need to be educated in choosing their leader. They need to realized that actors cannot lift their lives out of poverty because actors does not know how to run a country, (look at what happen to Erap, "walang kaibi-kaibigan, walang kamag-kamag-anak," but what happen?) Also, they need to realized that a popular president is not the answer to their problems.


And back to the topic:

America does not want the Philippines to be part of United States, because if this will ever happen, then you will be seeing Filipinos in the Philippines going to the U.S. mainland to find a job, and the majority Americans not gonna like this. IF the Philippines is a U.S. state, then you will be seeing a Filipino president in the White House, also you will be seeing those smoke belching jeepneys in Massachusetts Avenue. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[ronin]

I already know about this, bro. I should've further explained. I got several Filipino History books. Yes the US needed the Philippines as a military base to watch over their trade in Asia and so they can watch the growing Japanese Military power after they defeated the Imperial Russian Navy in the Russo-Japanese war in 1905. The US Navy/Marine Corps in the early 1900 knew they might go to war with the Imperial Japanese Navy. They formed up a startegy called the "Orange Plane" like amphibious landings, air support for infantry, and land craft vehicles during the 20's and 30's. The US and Imperial Germany almost went to war over the America's new possessions in the Pacific and the Caribbean like Hawaii, P.I., Puerto Rico, and Cuba. The Kaiser also wanted those territories. He drew up plans to invade New York but his generals advised against it because of logistics. Also, weren't the US going to give the Philippines their independence in 1942 way before Pearl Harbor happened so long as they can keep Subic Bay and Clark Airbase? I think I read about this in my Filipino history books.

If the Philippines wanted to be part of the US, it would happened a long time ago like Alaska and Hawaii.

The Philippines does not want to be part of the United States, that's why we have the Philippine-American War. The United States wanted to colonized the Philippines, while the Filipinos wanted to be independent.

I thnk I mis-wrote that when I said that. I was a bit fatigued when I was writing that. What I should have said was that "If the US wanted the P.I.to be part of the states, it would have happened a long time ago like Alaska and Hawaii."

This post has been edited by ronin: Jul 24 2005, 06:25 PM

[datulubay]

that is a stupid (although i know it is hypothetical) question, and it is impossible because the US would never want the Philippines. Historically, they only needed us to establish their presence in Asia, when all other world powers have established colonies in the SEA, and Japan was rising. It was Philippines and Vietnam for them.

Also, the nature of all nation/states is from colonized to independence. Why do we still ask to be part of the US. That is going against the political nature of states. We have a totally different culture and history; geographically we are too far from the US.

This debate was opened long ago by one presidential candidate who used the proposition as his platform. He never won - millions of Filipinos decided on that already. We already threw them out of Subic and Clark in the early 90's, and that was a major statement by Filipinos that we want the US off our backs. so why raise the dead again?

[datulubay]

Our present tragedy is something for us to solve within our means; being a US state should never be a choice.

[TakTAk-Boy]

this is dumb...the u.s already got what they wanted....many of the huge companies that are in the phils all lead back to the U.S..these companies own many of the rich lands...they own many of the minerals...and they got to use us for what ever plans they had for SE asia (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_confused.gif) ...it was basically a fukk and run...WhaM BAMM thank you mam...the philippines seem to have a "battered wife syndrome" with the U.S..no matter how many times they fukk the $hit out of the philippines...some peeps still keep wanting them to come back. :coffee:

[Forumwalker]

didnt this discussion finish a long time ago? the US doesnt want us and hell yeah we don't want them either.

[intestine_treasu...]

i cant believe usa a huge bully has so successfully achieved hedgemonial powers that even other countries are willing to sell it to them....what is it about that that no one dares to rebel....but when it comes to other countries being hedgemonic other coutnries rebel...isnt it weird

[filipinoy]

who ever voted yes, what do u think all the bayanis died for?

(unless ur not flip)

This post has been edited by filipinoy: Sep 9 2005, 08:15 PM

[JuliusMariaLourd...]

Should the Philippines be a american state since the philippines is experiencing bancruptcy while america does not experience it.

Sabi nila mayabang ang pilipino.

And food is getting expensive in the philippines and some can't buy bread.

Yes. the Philippines should be the 215th State of the USA... (i.e. after all the other nations would become states. Hahahahaha.

[islander]

Correction: The people of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands and the Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas are US citizens. It they move to any of the 50 states (Washington DC not sure if still not included) they can vote in national general elections. If US citizens and long time residents of the 50 states move to any of the above they cannot vote in national general elections. People of American Samoa are US nationals not citizens they need to move to US and become US citizens to vote.

[pilipinas_kong_m...]

[NO WAY!

[filipinoy]

[COLOR=red]Should the Philippines be a american state since the philippines is experiencing bancruptcy[/COLOR=] while america does not experience it.

Sabi nila mayabang ang pilipino.

And food is getting expensive in the philippines and some can't buy bread.

do u think Americans would like to pay for our debt?

[JuliusMariaLourd...]

[COLOR=red]Should the Philippines be a american state since the philippines is experiencing bancruptcy[/COLOR=] while america does not experience it.

Sabi nila mayabang ang pilipino.

And food is getting expensive in the philippines and some can't buy bread.

do u think Americans would like to pay for our debt?

^That's a high price to pay... if the Americans would... then perhaps they'd ask for more from the Philippines.

[filipinoy]

[COLOR=red]Should the Philippines be a american state since the philippines is experiencing bancruptcy[/COLOR=] while america does not experience it.

Sabi nila mayabang ang pilipino.

And food is getting expensive in the philippines and some can't buy bread.

do u think Americans would like to pay for our debt?

^That's a high price to pay... if the Americans would... then perhaps they'd ask for more from the Philippines.

Ask for what?, the colonizers already took a lot from us
....... maybe if the Philippines had a large amount of natural resources like oil, etc.....too bad we dont.....
.iono if there's really large natural reserves on Spratlys..

This post has been edited by filipinoy: Oct 13 2005, 11:54 PM

[PedroCarvalho]

Trying to attach one's country to a considered much superior nation, or worse, desiring to be part of a highly industrialized country like the United States is a depressing sign of inferiority and hopelessness.

The Philippines is an independent nation and deserves to work its own problems out. If other countries have won the fight against poverty, I think the Philippines will be able to do the same in due time.

[filipinoy]

^we have to fight the corrupt govrenment first!

[filipinoy]

Americans did call us brothers

Little Brown Brothers was a popular term used by Americans to refer to Filipinos during the period in which the Philippines was an American territory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Brown_Brothers