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Aug 12 2005, 12:01 AM
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Lets start from The Bugis:
Former Indonesian presiden Yusuf Habibie is bugis. cresit source: The Bugis THE BUGIS The southwest arm of Sulawesi embraced three related peoples active as seafarers, the Makasarese in the southwest, the Mandarese in the northwest, and Bugis, the most numerous, occupying most of the remainder of the peninsula. These people shared a similar written script and a highly pluralistic political system in which local authorities were anchored in supernaturally endowed regalia (arajang) and descent from a variety of mythical ancestors, each separately descended from heaven (tomanurung). In the period 1600-1669 the city of Makasar and its Goa-Tallo ruling dynasties dominated the region politically and economically. Resentful Bugis of the Bone kingdom therefore allied with the VOC to destroy Makasar in 1669. This event had at least two consequences. First, Bone became the most important kingdom in southwest Sulawesi until the 19th century. Second, it led to the Bugis Diaspora, particularly of the men of commercial-minded Wajo, which had been allied with Makasarese Goa rather than Bugis Bone in the war. The Bugis became noted both as effective warriors and enterprising traders throughout the Archipelago. Bugis warrior (IMG:http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/pics/picutilities/bugis_warrior.jpg) Bugis diaspora (IMG:http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/pics/picutilities/bugismap.jpg) This post has been edited by Nusantara: Aug 12 2005, 12:01 AM |
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Aug 12 2005, 12:14 AM
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can u do the orang laut/badjao next... can they even be found in indonesia?
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Aug 12 2005, 12:22 AM
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Yes, they found in Indonesia. orang laut/bajao live in in coastal area of North of Sulawesi, Sabah and Mindanao, hence they are indonesian too eventhough right now they are split into 3 countries. Fell free to post if you have interesting article or picture.
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Aug 12 2005, 12:30 AM
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no i dont, that's why i asked you (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_confused.gif) but in a book i have there some pictures and info about them (the ones who live in the philippinesa) but i cant find it now, it was really interesting to me when i read it, their whole lifestyle and even their ceremonial costumes they looked so royal, and i think they also use long metal finger nails..
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Aug 15 2005, 03:04 AM
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The Minang!
"Every Minang belongs to his of her mothers descendance, and the ricefields as well as the longhouses (rumah gadang) belong to the females." Western Sumatera is the habitat of about four milion Minangkabau (normally called Minang), an energic population which is known all over Indonesia for their strong relations, it's sharp mind of trading, hot kitchen and strong believe in islam. The Minangkabau are organised in female relates clans (suku), and in every village, a number of suku has power. Traditions told there were only four clans, but over the time they got separated, and now there are about twenty-five, everyone with it's own name. In every village a few suku havepower. The suku, again, are parted in different descendance groups or paruik (lit. uterus), which consist of descendants from a single ancestral mother. The suku and descendance groups were only allowed to marry people outside their own clan of group of descendance. This relational structure is no longer important for younger Minangkabau, especially those who moved outside the area, and is slowly disappearing. Credit source Minang hey kampuang den nan jauh di mato! Typical Minang house at kampung/village: (IMG:http://loola.net/sumatra/photos/Sumatra-Images/5.jpg) This post has been edited by Nusantara: Aug 15 2005, 03:04 AM |
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Aug 15 2005, 06:14 AM
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Aug 15 2005, 06:52 AM
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AF Geek Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 11-February 05 From: E.U. |
QUOTE (Nusantara @ Aug 12 2005, 12:01 AM) Lets start from The Bugis: Former Indonesian presiden Yusuf Habibie is bugis. cresit source: The Bugis THE BUGIS The southwest arm of Sulawesi embraced three related peoples active as seafarers, the Makasarese in the southwest, the Mandarese in the northwest, and Bugis, the most numerous, occupying most of the remainder of the peninsula. These people shared a similar written script and a highly pluralistic political system in which local authorities were anchored in supernaturally endowed regalia (arajang) and descent from a variety of mythical ancestors, each separately descended from heaven (tomanurung). In the period 1600-1669 the city of Makasar and its Goa-Tallo ruling dynasties dominated the region politically and economically. Resentful Bugis of the Bone kingdom therefore allied with the VOC to destroy Makasar in 1669. This event had at least two consequences. First, Bone became the most important kingdom in southwest Sulawesi until the 19th century. Second, it led to the Bugis Diaspora, particularly of the men of commercial-minded Wajo, which had been allied with Makasarese Goa rather than Bugis Bone in the war. The Bugis became noted both as effective warriors and enterprising traders throughout the Archipelago. Bugis warrior (IMG:http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/pics/picutilities/bugis_warrior.jpg) Bugis diaspora (IMG:http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/pics/picutilities/bugismap.jpg) Great fighters and seafarers and Bugis also created very special and long literature like I la Galigo. One of the ( if not the ) longests epic in the world. www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501040315-598567,00.html This post has been edited by TonyL: Aug 15 2005, 06:52 AM |
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Aug 15 2005, 06:54 AM
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AF Geek Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 11-February 05 From: E.U. |
QUOTE (Nusantara @ Aug 15 2005, 03:04 AM) The Minang! "Every Minang belongs to his of her mothers descendance, and the ricefields as well as the longhouses (rumah gadang) belong to the females." Western Sumatera is the habitat of about four milion Minangkabau (normally called Minang), an energic population which is known all over Indonesia for their strong relations, it's sharp mind of trading, hot kitchen and strong believe in islam. The Minangkabau are organised in female relates clans (suku), and in every village, a number of suku has power. Traditions told there were only four clans, but over the time they got separated, and now there are about twenty-five, everyone with it's own name. In every village a few suku havepower. The suku, again, are parted in different descendance groups or paruik (lit. uterus), which consist of descendants from a single ancestral mother. The suku and descendance groups were only allowed to marry people outside their own clan of group of descendance. This relational structure is no longer important for younger Minangkabau, especially those who moved outside the area, and is slowly disappearing. Credit source Minang hey kampuang den nan jauh di mato! Typical Minang house at kampung/village: (IMG:http://loola.net/sumatra/photos/Sumatra-Images/5.jpg) great style |
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Aug 17 2005, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE (TonyL @ Aug 15 2005, 06:54 AM) Great food too....! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) Masakan Minang (Masakan Padang) are among the best and the most popular food througout archipelago. One of the most successful traditional restaurant chain in Indonesia are indeed developed by Minang people. (IMG:http://www.tastyweb.nl/TastyWeb/Images/rendang.jpg) This is the most famous Minang food, Rendang. Careful guys, the original rendang is darn hot and spicy.... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/cool30.gif) |
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Aug 24 2005, 09:38 PM
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Sundanese
The Sundanese people (33 million strong in 1998) inhabits the province of West Java and Banten. They are well-known for their cuisine rich in vegetables and fish, and by their pious belief in Islam. They mostly works as rice farmers. The most famous Sundanese art is the jaipongan dance and the wayang golek puppets. Sundanese language literature is one of the most active regional literature in Indonesia today. Famous Sundanese tunes include Bubuy Bulan, Cing Cangkeling, Manuk Dadali, and Panon Hideung. (IMG:http://www2.seasite.niu.edu/PicDB/Indo/00343.jpg) Sundanese culture is heavily influenced by pre-Islamic Hindu culture, such as belief in spirits, ancestor worship, and tradition of giving sacrifices to Goddess Sri (the rice goddess) to ensure a good harvest. Sundanese language is similar to Javanese language in which it contains elaborate speech levels, the polite language and normal language, influenced by pre-Islamic caste system. There are four major Sundanese dialects, the Bogor, Banten, Priangan, and Cirebon Sundanese. Sundanese who refused Islamisation in the 16th century retreated to remote mountainous region of Banten where they maintain their ancient traditions and beliefs, isolating themselves from most modern influences. They speak an ancient form of Sundanese and are known as Badui people. (IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/purnomor/sawer202.jpg) Pic of typical Sundanese wedding between an Australian and a Sundanese lady source This post has been edited by purnomor: Jan 14 2006, 09:56 PM |
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Aug 24 2005, 10:07 PM
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Badui
The Badui people (5,000-8,000 strong) inhabits the Rangkasbitung mountains in an area of just 50 km2 only 120 km from the Jakarta. They are descendents of ancient Sundanese princes from Pajajaran Kingdom who refuse Islamisation in early 1500s and isolated themselves from contacts with outside world. Their language is an archaic form of Sundanese spoken half a millenium ago. Their religion is a heavily creolised form of Hinduism, called Sunda Wiwitan. They believe in an ultimate authority called Gusti Nu Maha Suci, who gave the Badui a set of mystical taboos. The taboos forbid the Badui from using any modern tools and only allows primitive form of ladang farming. There are two groups of Badui, the Badui Luar (Outer Badui) and Badui Dalam (Inner Badui). The Outer Badui is allowed to maintain some contact with outside world, some even became migratory workers in Bandung, Bogor, or Jakarta. The 400 Inner Baduis inhabits the "forbidden territory" where no outsider is allowed to spend a night. The Inner Badui have almost no contact with outside world for 500 years as they are members of Badui's high priests' clan (the Pu'un clan). They are the keeper of the Badui's most sacred ground, the Arca Domas area on Kendang Mountain. (IMG:http://www.tanjunglesung.com/images/act_tribe_head.jpg) Badui village (IMG:http://www.martinwestlake.com/people/badui/Image01-23x30.jpg) (IMG:http://a740.g.akamai.net/f/740/606/1d/image.pathfinder.com/time/asia/features/ontheroad/roadtrip_badui.jpg) Badui men source This post has been edited by purnomor: Jan 14 2006, 10:02 PM |
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Aug 24 2005, 10:24 PM
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Osing
The Osing people (500,000 strong) lives in Banyuwangi district of East Java. They are descendents of Majapahit princes who refused Islamisation in 1500s. Indeed the name Osing came from Balinese word tusing, meaning no. Their language is a mix of ancient Javanese and Balinese. Most of the Osings still follows a syncretic form of Hinduism similar to Balinese Hinduism. Many are Muslims, being slowly converted since the Osings' Hindu Kingdom of Blambangan surrendered to Muslim Mataram Kingdom in 1743. Around 5,000 are Christians, having been converted by Dutch missionaries in 19th century. (IMG:http://www.kebudayaan.depdiknas.go.id/BudayaOnline/SeniBudaya/Nitra/SUBANGSA/Busana/Jatim1.jpg) Osing wedding source This post has been edited by purnomor: Aug 24 2005, 10:25 PM |
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Aug 24 2005, 10:58 PM
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Tenggerese
The Tengger people (600,000 strong) inhabits the Tengger mountains of East Java. They are descendents of Majapahit people who refuse Islamisation in 1500s. They speak an ancient form of Javanese used during Majapahit times. Their religion is syncretic Hinduism mixed with Mahayana Buddhism and animism, featuring the worship of various Hindu gods and of the Buddha. Additionally, the Tenggerese also worship various spirits, such as village guardian (roh bahurekso), ancestors' spirit (roh leluhur), and village pioneers' spirits (roh cikal bakal). A hereditary priest caste, the Rasi Pujangga, are the spiritual leaders of the Tenggerese because they are considered to possess spiritual connection with the gods and spirits. The main festival of the Tenggerese is the annual Yadnya Kasada, during which thousands of Tenggerese would proceed to a temple in the Bromo Sand Sea to give offerings to supreme god, Sang Hyang Widi Wasa and God Brahma (the owner of Mount "Bromo"), asking for blessing for the next year. Around 97% of Tenggerese are Hindus, while 3% of the Tenggerese who live in lowland areas have been converted to Islam. The abode of the Tenggerese, the Bromo-Tengger-Semeru National Park has been declared a protected zone by Indonesian government with the intention to protect the unique Tenggerese culture. (IMG:http://www.kabprobolinggo.go.id/gambar_galeri/galeri_foto_24.jpg) (IMG:http://www.asiafoto.com/I0381JN.jpg) (IMG:http://www.asiafoto.com/I8048N.jpg) (IMG:http://www.asiafoto.com/I0391JN.jpg) Yadnya Kasada festival on Mount Bromo source This post has been edited by purnomor: Jan 14 2006, 10:04 PM |
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Aug 24 2005, 11:29 PM
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Betawi
The Betawi people (3.5 million strong) inhabits the DKI Jakarta province and its surrounding suburbia. Their name derives from Batavia, the name of Jakarta under Dutch colonialism. Their language is a creolised form of Malay, consisting many words from Dutch, Portuguese, Chinese, Arab, Balinese, Javanese, Bugis, and Sundanese languages. Today, Betawi language is considered the most trendy language in Indonesia. Betawi people evolved to its current form in 1800s, a mixture of the various traders, migrants, and slaves brought to Batavia when it was a major Dutch trading centre. The Betawi people are known to be pious Muslims. Traditional Betawi lifestyle can be seen in preserved areas of Condet and Situ Babakan in South Jakarta, where the Betawi population kept many of their traditional arts alive, such as tanjidor orchestra, Topeng Blantek dance, and wayang Betawi. (IMG:http://www.indonesia-mrs.com/photos%20galery/jkt16.jpg) Ondel-ondel, giant Betawi puppet (IMG:http://www.kuveni.de/tanjidor.JPG) Tanjidor (IMG:http://www.kuveni.de/lenong.JPG) Lenong, Betawi drama |
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Aug 25 2005, 01:18 AM
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Madurese
The Madurese people (16.7 million strong) live on the island of Madura off East Java, Sapudi Islands, and northern part of East Java. Madurese language consisted of several dialects: Bawean, Bangkalan, Pamekasan, Sampang, Sapudi, and Sumenep dialects. Sumenep dialect is considered as "standard" Madurese. The most widespread dialect, however, is the Bangkalan dialect which is spoken in Surabaya, Indonesia's 2nd largest city. East Javanese dialect spoken in most of East Java is also a mix of Javanese and Madurese, because approximately 9 million Madurese lives in East Java. Madurese culture attaches great importance to Islam. The daily life of every Madurese village rotates around an Islamic religious centre (madrasah). The greatest honour for a Madurese is to go for a hajj pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Nevertheless, belief in spirits, magic, and ancestor worship is still prevalent amongst Madurese. Madurese is also well-known for early arranged marriages, often between first or second cousins. A famous Madurese philosophy of life is Lebbi Bagus Pote Tollang, atembang Pote Mata, "death is better than shame". (IMG:http://www.kebudayaan.depdiknas.go.id/BudayaOnline/SeniBudaya/Nitra/SUBANGSA/Busana/Jatim2.jpg) Madurese bride and groom Due to the poor soil quality of Madura, most Madurese do not farm, but instead they mostly tend cattle or fish to earn a living. The most prized possession of Madurese is a healthy cattle, and their most favourite sport is bull-racing. Limited food production in Madura also led many Madurese to migrate to other islands. Most went to fertile East Java just across Madura Strait, but many went on government transmigration programs to Sumatera and Kalimantan, where frictions with indigenous people often occurs. Thousands of Madurese transmigrants in West and Central Kalimantan was killed by the indigenous Dayaks during the ethnic conflict there in 1999-2002. There is also around 15,000 ethnic Madurese living in Singapore. (IMG:http://www.eastjava.com/tourism/sumenep/sumenep/kerap08.jpg) Bull racing (karapan sapi), most popular Madurese sport source This post has been edited by purnomor: Aug 25 2005, 01:23 AM |
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Aug 25 2005, 07:31 AM
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Javanese
The Javanese people (100 million strong) lives on the central and eastern part of Java. There are also significant Javanese transmigrant population in all Indonesian provinces, more pronouncedly in Lampung province where Javanese forms majority of the population. Additionally, there are 75,000 ethnic Javanese living in Suriname in South America, forming 15% of total population. Other large Javanese population exists in New Caledonia, Malaysia, Singapore, and Netherlands. The Javanese is numerically the largest ethnic group of Indonesia, forming over 40% of total Indonesian population. The Javanese language is a classical language, producing literatures in the span of 12 centuries. It is divided into three language styles, depending on level of politeness: ngoko (to use with your subordinates), madya (to use with strangers), and karma (to use with your superiors). Javanese language consists of many dialects: 1. West Javanese dialects (strong influence from Sundanese language): North Banten, Jawa Serang, Banyumasan, Indramayu (Dermayon), Cirebonan, and Tegal dialects. 2. Central Javanese dialects: Semarangan, Muria, Demak, Surakarta, and Yogyakarta dialects. Yogyakarta dialect is considered the "standard" Javanese. 3. East Javanese dialects (strongly influenced by Madurese language): Surabaya and Malang-Pasuruan dialects. Javanese can be written using Latin alphabet, Arabic (Jawi) alphabet, or with its own Javanese alphabet. Classical Javanese literature includes Kitab Bharatayudha, Negarakertagama, Ronggowarsito, Babad Tanah Jawi, and Riwayat Hanacaraka. (IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/langsamples/smp_javanese.gif) Lord's Father prayer in Javanese alphabet Javanese culture is renowned amongst others for the wayang (shadow puppetry), Serimpi dances, and the batik production. Most famous produce of Javanese culture is the Hindu Prambanan Temple and giant Buddhist Borobudur Temple in Central Java, built during the period of Hindu Sanjaya dynasty and Buddhist Sailendra dynasty in 800s AD. (IMG:http://www.buddhanet.net/images/boro_v.jpg) (IMG:http://www.buddhanet.net/images/borobud.jpg) Borobudur Temple, containing 92 Buddha statues and 1,460 relief scenes describing the life of the Buddha (IMG:http://www.absolu-voyages.com/html/images/Chemins/Indonesie/Java%20-%20Prambanan%20Temple.JPG) Prambanan Hindu temple complex (IMG:http://www.indoartnet.com/img/Kulit/GatotKacaBoth-s.jpg) Wayang kulit (leather shadow puppet) (IMG:http://www.ethnicarts.com/textiles/images/BA10.jpg) Intricate Javanese batik Most Javanese are Muslims. Javanese Muslims are divided into two classes, the abangan (nominal Muslims) and santri (orthodox Muslims). The santri group is strongest in East Java, which based the Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), the largest Muslim organisation in the world. The abangan group, however, formed the majority of Javanese Muslims. They do not strictly adhere to Islamic teachings and strongly maintain their pre-Islamic Hindu-Buddhist and animistic traditions. An example is former President Suharto who despite being nominally a Muslim, is known to pray in Hindu and Buddhist temples. Many Javanese are still Hindus or Buddhists, centering in Central Java area. The late Indonesian army chief-of-staff General Gatot Subroto was a Buddhist. There are large Javanese Christian community, with certain rural areas in south-central Java being largely Catholic due to Dutch missionary efforts in late 19th century and early 20th century. Former military chief General Benjamin Leonardus Moerdani was a Catholic. A large number of Javanese follows spiritual religion (kebatinan) which is a mixture of Islamic, Hindu, and Buddhist beliefs. (IMG:http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/4455/DirkIrien06.jpg) (IMG:http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/4455/Ceremony11.jpg) Pics of Javanese wedding between a Belgian man and Javanese woman source source This post has been edited by purnomor: Aug 25 2005, 07:36 AM |
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Aug 27 2005, 06:41 AM
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AF Guru Group: Members Posts: 4,892 Joined: 11-May 04 From: A Humble Abode |
(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif) I was waiting for the Javanese entry. The alpha-Indonesian. Can most Javanese still read classical Javanese script? There are many Malaysians of Javanese heritage. My ex-flatmate used to speak Javanese over the phone to his mom in Msia. Man, it sounds nothing like standard bahasa!
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Aug 27 2005, 06:54 AM
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QUOTE (purnomor @ Aug 25 2005, 01:18 AM) Madurese The Madurese people (16.7 million strong) live on the island of Madura off East Java, Sapudi Islands, and northern part of East Java. Madurese language consisted of several dialects: Bawean, Bangkalan, Pamekasan, Sampang, Sapudi, and Sumenep dialects. Sumenep dialect is considered as "standard" Madurese. The most widespread dialect, however, is the Bangkalan dialect which is spoken in Surabaya, Indonesia's 2nd largest city. East Javanese dialect spoken in most of East Java is also a mix of Javanese and Madurese, because approximately 9 million Madurese lives in East Java. Madurese culture attaches great importance to Islam. The daily life of every Madurese village rotates around an Islamic religious centre (madrasah). The greatest honour for a Madurese is to go for a hajj pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Nevertheless, belief in spirits, magic, and ancestor worship is still prevalent amongst Madurese. Madurese is also well-known for early arranged marriages, often between first or second cousins. A famous Madurese philosophy of life is Lebbi Bagus Pote Tollang, atembang Pote Mata, "death is better than shame". Due to the poor soil quality of Madura, most Madurese do not farm, but instead they mostly tend cattle or fish to earn a living. The most prized possession of Madurese is a healthy cattle, and their most favourite sport is bull-racing. Limited food production in Madura also led many Madurese to migrate to other islands. Most went to fertile East Java just across Madura Strait, but many went on government transmigration programs to Sumatera and Kalimantan, where frictions with indigenous people often occurs. Thousands of Madurese transmigrants in West and Central Kalimantan was killed by the indigenous Dayaks during the ethnic conflict there in 1999-2002. There is also around 15,000 ethnic Madurese living in Singapore. Mas Pur, It is a pity that you are copying everything from one source, better give the URL so people can think themselves. Or write something yourself, but I think you have been educated like a robot, only can do what you have learned, like a stupid little mongrell. You did not mention that the Madurese were very good soldiers, and worked close with the Dutch since the Java war against Diponegoro, also in the Aceh war. But I will add this later to my site when back in Indonesia, don't worry Mas. Regards BungLon NB were are the photo's of Javanese/Sundaneze men marrying white women ?? You are full of very strange contradictions as if your kibor is doing something else than your "brains" (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) This post has been edited by londoh: Aug 27 2005, 06:58 AM |
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Aug 27 2005, 07:44 AM
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Interesting topic.
I don't know but are the information of the people from the islands on ambon and around from maluku coming? |
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Aug 27 2005, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE (malaccan @ Aug 27 2005, 06:41 AM) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif) I was waiting for the Javanese entry. The alpha-Indonesian. Can most Javanese still read classical Javanese script? There are many Malaysians of Javanese heritage. My ex-flatmate used to speak Javanese over the phone to his mom in Msia. Man, it sounds nothing like standard bahasa! lolz.. my grandma also spoke javanese all the time with her children, so i can only understand only 25% of what they were talking abt.. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2 most people who grew up in central java, east java, or yogyakarta provinces should hv basic knowledge of javanese script bcoz it was taught up to highschool there as local content (muatan lokal). |
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