Comments on the Japanese at CNA, from CNA's resident "anthropologist" Options

[DaMo]

The big cultural differences:

Japanese do in fact still practice the dualist cult(s) of Shintoism, i.e., they are, apart from Christianised East Asians, the only people in the Far Eastern Pacific coastal region believing in the definitely Western superstition of 'good and evil'. For them women are kind of 'unholy' because of menstrual blood etc. The way those superstions took to Japan is as exotic as the Japanese themselves in East Asia: it's probably the sable route, the Siberian example for a way of one-sided 'cultural exchanges'.

Historically, the strange superstitions of the Japanese led to an extremely excessive gender separation and misogyny. Thus, there is also a traditional gay culture in Japan which even exceeds obscenety of many other tradtionally gay cultures, e.g., Korean, arctic, Pacific Amerindian, Austronesian.

Japanese warlikeness is an equally strange and undesirable historical development: possibly several undesirable factors (cultural influences from very different peoples) were combined in Japanese unculture: Austro-Polynesian and Palaeosiberian cultures are surely the primary roots what modern Japanese call 'culture'. However, on their own Palaeosiberians and Austro-Polynesians are just create cultures which emphasise cruelty and ridiculous, harmless superstitions. To become pseudo-civilised the Japanese needed more genetic influence from the continent: of course, Zhongguoren did not succeed in civilising the large part of Japan, but at least the Okayama region, where there are still racially predominately continentals from the Asian coastal types, is an example for a relative cultural progress in Japan. In fact, it was rather some small groups of half-civilised Tungus or Yukaghir-type people who contributed quite a lot to the 'civilising' process of the Japanese, which made Japanese culture warlike by the same time. Another source for Japanese aggressiveness could be searched in the mentality of the northeastern Japanese, who are a bit different from the well-known southern Japanese pirates-slaves and Satsuma samurais. Racially, the northeastern Japanese seem to resemble the Daghur/Daur tribals of Dongbei, a group of Palaeosiberian barbarians, who could have absorbed certain elements of proto-Sino-Tibetans in a prehistoric time. Peoples mixed at such a culturally early stage do never do well in creating own cultures. The brutality of and violence glorified in Daghur fairy-tales gives an insight to what the Japanese could not preserve from their original cultures since they were culturally unified.

Nonetheless, one sign of primitivity was replaced by another sign of primitivity: indeed, the Japanese have a kind of indigenous shamanism. Apart from the original multiethnicity of ancient Japanese, they managed to continue both matrifocal and misogynist cultures within an insane syncretism. In early times of their recorded history there were even shamanesses who ruled the country although the Japanese men were influenced by misogynist mythology at the same time. Furthermore, even today the passivity of Japanese men at home is remarkable, too: he really behaves "like a guest" at home. Such examples of schizophrenic culture show clearly that the Japanese never negotiated the stage of a prehistoric cultural blending. Yes, they do still live within the chaos of an ancient mongrel culture.

Well, I tend to say the Japanese don't have any culture, but only something like an un-culture or a proto-culture.

True. And the Japanese are even proud of being submissive and one-dimensional.

If so, the Japanese could not have copied from the Koreans who depended on copying themselves. The Korean would not have invaded Japan. So the Japanese could not claim to be decendance of the Yamato people.

The Japanese would not have bronze, either. Possibly, they would not have even invaded Japan and stayed in southern Korea. Together with the Korean they would have continued practices like totem pole cults and other things typical for native Americans.

http://tour.dongjak.seoul.kr/english/s_history/sub_04.asp
http://english.daegu.go.kr/group02/chingusai/200303.htm

They would have remained in stone age, including customs like head and scalp hunting, practiced brutal initiation rituals, maybe also adopted Austronesian customs, such as head deformation:


Sooner or later, the Koreans or others (maybe even the Ainus) would have arrived with more advanced technology and assimilated proto-Japanese before they could have become Japanese as such.

Without Sinitic influence the Koreans and Japanese would have remained in a pre-civilised state, like the Wa people in southern China who still practiced headhunting during the last centuries. The specifical traits of the Koreans without sinification can only reconstructed since their country is practically sinisised. Headhunting is historically recorded, as for the Japanese samurais, too

Who cares? He's just a Japanese. His cultural 'function' could be defined as being similar to that of a vulture.

Japanese: koreanised (or didn't ever have any own tradition!)

The JApanese themselves originally inhabited the Korean peninsula where near by no trace at all can be found of them because they were weaker than Koreans.

This is all from just one member on CNA named frontier_relic. Wait till we get to what he has to say about Koreans ... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/sure.gif)

This post has been edited by DaMo: Feb 15 2004, 05:30 AM

[SakuraSkater]

where the hell did this guy come up with this stuff? LOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif)

[Hiroki]

No culture?

Now I am greatly offended by that. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/madgo.gif)

[DaMo]

No culture?

Now I am greatly offended by that.  (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/madgo.gif)

More than the comment about the "vulture culture", whatever that means? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by DaMo: Feb 14 2004, 11:17 AM

[Kulong]

Damo, why don't you label the poster's name(s)?

Otherwise, you're dragging EVERYONE in CNA down with this guy.

[SakuraSkater]

yeah don't pull an ogumo and generalize (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) :genius:


why should you be offended by words of a moron? if anything you should be laughing at his level of stupidity (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)

[sunkyu]

I have nothing but pity for Ogumo. Behind his picutre of macho samurais, I can see little kid who was badly abused and too afraid to venture out becuase the world may hurt him again. To him, everything is potential danger. So he get defensive and hate others before others hate him. poor ogumo. what a tragedy.

This post has been edited by sunkyu: Feb 14 2004, 05:44 PM

[SakuraSkater]

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haha... well if he wasn't so full of hatred he'd be an okay guy. and i think it's because people that think like him are the ones who cause these "racial" issues.

[tongbao_vince]

hmm that CNA guy sounds like frontier relic. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/confused.gif)

He's the only one I know that seems to be able to memorized the DNA structure of every race on earth.

[Rad Raz]

who the hell is this CNA guy? a chinese guy who has problem with japanese and korean?

[Kulong]

who the hell is this CNA guy? a chinese guy who has problem with japanese and korean?

CNA (Chinese Nationalist Alliance) is another forum that's meant for Chinese nationalists to discuss issues regarding China.

However, there are some members who are somewhat "inappropriate" and therefore giving CNA a bad name.

Just to clear things up, whoever posted those comments above do not speak for CNA or all the Chinese people. It's his personal opinion.

[DaMo]

Damo, why don't you label the poster's name(s)?

Otherwise, you're dragging EVERYONE in CNA down with this guy.

I thought by using the word "anthropologist" and the pronoun "he" in singular, it would be implied that it was just one person. Subsequent postings appear to have considered this implication. But if you want, I'll mention that it was just one member in an edit.

However, there are some members who are somewhat "inappropriate" and therefore giving CNA a bad name.

If you think there is something so inappropriate and unbecoming with how he insults Japanese and Korean people, then why do I seem to be the only one offering any opposition to his anti-Japanese anti-Korean "anthropological opinions" on CNA?

This post has been edited by DaMo: Feb 15 2004, 06:33 AM

[toonluv]

It's not a coincident that both Koreans and Africans, being ex-slaves in their respective area, like to make up those kinds of nonsense. This behavior is a compensatory mechanism of psychology common to people with such background to save self-esteem from their miserable existence, past and present, that they are so embarrassed of.

Both of them have little in their  old history that the rest of the world could recognize any worth in. So they have to claim that the great world-famous tradition of other nations such as Samurai actually has origin in their culture, and thereby indirectly infer that they also have great rich tradition. You might remember that Koreans also claim that Samurai originally came from Korea, called Musa.

Another prime example is ancient civilization. Koreans like to brag that they had the world's oldest civilization called Tangun some 5,000 years ago. Some African American nationalists also claim that Egyptian civilization was actually founded by black people. Neither claim is taken seriously but among those delusional urinara manse Koreans and radical African nationalists themselves.

Another example. Black muslims claim that human beings were originally all black men, and only later did white men branch off from them. Koreans also like to insist that the origin of the Japanese people is Korean.

A pathetic yet somewhat sad phenomenon.

DaMo,
I found this interesting bit regarding the african-american claim to japan, evidently this particular japanese felt they needed to throw korea in as well. What do you think? koreans are a slave race? and we have nothing in our history to be proud of? I didn't know we were a slave race, someone please enlighten me i didn't know this. Really if this is true I want to know.

This post has been edited by toonluv: Feb 15 2004, 06:34 AM

[DaMo]

DaMo,
I found this interesting bit regarding the african-american claim to japan, evidently this particular japanese felt they needed to throw korea in as well.  What do you think?

I think "African-Americans", whites, Koreans, Chinese and Japanese (and the Hmong too) ought to stop making silly bloated exaggerated claims to inflate their importance.

That said, the Korean peninsula was the original homeland of the non-aboriginal Japanese people, but Korea was neither the oldest civilization in the world (or in East Asia), nor was it the source of all other East Asian civilizations and accomplishments, the birthplace of Chinese script or of Fu Xi, or the origin of the samurai.

I have enough on my hands fighting off white supremacists who believe that Caucasian Mesopotomians created Chinese script, that blondes from Austria were the first Chinese emperors, and that tartan-clad Scots build the Chinese pyramids. I don't need more BS to trouble me

This post has been edited by DaMo: Feb 15 2004, 06:47 AM

[toonluv]

What is this view of koreans being slaves? I've read this or hinted by japanese numerous times. I don't care what anyone says they are a lot uglier to koreans than vice versa.

the samurai might the rest no.

This post has been edited by toonluv: Feb 15 2004, 06:46 AM

[DaMo]

What is this view of  koreans being slaves?  I've read this or hinted by japanese numerous times.

I don't know .. maybe they're referring to the subjugation of Korea during the second world war.

  I don't care what anyone says they are a lot uglier to koreans than vice versa.

the samurai might the rest no.

I did not understand anything of what you just said.

[toonluv]

you don't understand what i mean? things like this make me feel a real hatred toward the japanese and i did not live through WWII. Whatever the nasty seed was planted they still carry that and throw it around even today. They are snotty toward koreans and try to subjugate us and claim we have low self-esteem and that we want to emulate them when in fact being asian there is no glamour as i can see through it, their culture is a complete synthesis almost artifically in my opinion of korea and china. everything they have has been borrowed from someplace else, even their warrior traditions as they were heavily influenced by their neighbors. Everything they have accomplished has been an excellent copy yet they believe they are superior. I don't understand this, even their automotive industry was copied from the germans.

[DaMo]

you don't understand what i mean?

Yes, what you said makes no sense. You said "the samurai might the rest no." Either you do not use proper English or you are just randomly blathering. What is "the samurai might the rest no" supposed to mean? It is totally incoherent to me.

their culture is a complete synthesis almost artifically in my opinion of korea and china.  everything they have has been borrowed from someplace else, even their warrior traditions as they were heavily influenced by their neighbors.  Everything they have accomplished has been an excellent copy yet they believe they are superior.

Korea has been heavily influenced by China as well, yet you don't find me calling the Koreans "copiers," do you? Japanese civilization has been influenced by other peoples, mostly because they are relatively recently descended from immigrants, but it is not a "complete sythesis". It has plenty of its own unique native-born features, of which many are very admirable and appreciable, as well as influences from abroad that have evolved and been greatly modified to create a singular and novel cultural identity.

Just because you rightly disagree with Japanese supremacism doesn't mean you have to insult and degrade the culture and history of the Japanese people. This is something I neither support or condone, so don't expect me to ally with you in your anti-Japanese tirades.

[Ogumo]

This came from CNA? *sarcastic* What a surprise there. Perhaps you should see some of the garbage they have written on this site. I will discuss it later.


sunkyu:
Lady if you can tell all that from one picture you must be a psychic. Tell me more about myself i am most interested in hearing.

Kulong: I would not only say some members. You guys have a moderator that is openly racist there. You a quite a few there not all but a few.


Sakuraskater: I would not consider myself "filled" with hatred...not anymore infact my hate north korea slowly dieing. Such GENERALIZATION from your mouth about me. Insted of saying I generalize you should jump down the throat of toonluv in a similar fashion to the way you do me.


toonluv:
Sigh...now I must defend against your ridiculous comments. *sarcastic* thank you very much. Atleast this one will be easy.

"Whatever the nasty seed was planted they still carry that and throw it around even today"

Proove it. Proove that every japanese or even the majority of japanese have this "seed". Also you never proved that japanese are soooo much more racist than koreans. You remember dont you? In the threat that you falsly accused me of all kinds of things?


"They are snotty toward koreans and try to subjugate us"

Not true for even the majority of japanese people. There is more pro korean than anti koreanism in japan. Not to say that there is no anti koreanism and hate. Most japanese love south korea for some reason mainly the younger generations and ones around my age. As for japanese trying to subjugate us I would say the koreans try to subjugate japan more than the other way. Infact you just did it yourself. Atleast it seems that way.

"Everything they have accomplished has been an excellent copy yet they believe they are superior"

I agree japanese do copy...but japanese improve on the original almost each time. That is undeniable. Now prove this comment about japanese people believing they are "superior".

I wonder how many days it will take you to respond if at all.

[toonluv]

I really don't care because what i've come across said against korea is downright sickening and blasphemous by japanese using an evil hint of japan's colonization. I've seen this over and over again in one form or another and this is the 21st century and this is not an older generation either.

This post has been edited by toonluv: Feb 15 2004, 10:52 AM