Some Malays Just Don't Get It, Why God, why? Options

[samheisfl]

I am not a good writer or orater so i'm not sure u all get my point.  But what i would like to say is "We manage to live in peace for so long, let it continue !  We should be thankful that Malaysia don't have any natural disasters.  What's the use of fighting for $$ and power if 1 hurricane or 1 earthquake can kill all of us ?

sokong!!!!

[forrestcat]

Caramel, unfortunately, I will not be able to vote in 2009. I do agree it is important to vote, however, but for a different reason. I think the DAP is the only quasi-capable opposition party out there. PAS keeps harping on an Islamic state, and PKR doesn't seem to mind. Therefore, I suggest trying out an alternative - casting spoilt votes. If you read the last few paragraphs of the link I sent you, you'll see why. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif) It sends a message without directly harming anyone. Don't need to give PAS strength in claiming it has support for an Islamic state, tell both them and UMNO to bugger off with a spoilt vote! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Yes DAP is Chinese based so no Malays will vote it. After Kit Siang and Karpal gone, bye bye DAP.After Nik Aziz go to heaven, also bye bye PAS.And maybe Anwar rejoin UMNO, then bye bye KeADILan, then hello BN to the end.
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I think we still can make it as long we have the parlaiment and our election. Even our MPs in the parliamnet have been grilling the gomen for more accountablity and to give the parliament more power. I think to give new life to BN gomen, get rid of the ministers from the Mahathir era.

[caramel]

It's such a pity that after LKS and KS, there wouldn't be any strong enough opposition leaders to fight for M'sia. M'sia would definitely benefit with some (hopefully 1/4 or more) good and reputable opposition leaders in the parliament. But I still doubt the fact that they are able to govern M'sia.

It is true that the ministers from the Mahathir era should be gotten rid of. But I do not know about the upcoming ministers. Honestly, I do not know what will happen to M'sia. I can't think of any good upcoming leaders from the current ruling party and opposition parties. Maybe I lack knowledge. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_sad.gif)

[johnleemk]

caramel, neither do I, and I'm more active in these things. (I frequent blogs and news sites belonging to very active members of the DAP and PKR.) As far as I'm concerned, neither the government nor the opposition are very much interested in change. They don't dare bring up new leaders because they fear being challenged. That's why like Mahathir, Lim Kit Siang and Karpal Singh have stuck around for so long. Anwar hasn't done anything to defuse his God-like image among his supporters either. (Reading their comments when you criticise him will make you cringe.)

Until these parties are willing to be more tolerant of change and allow new leaders to rise and give their own ideas, nothing will change. But that is only momentarily. After a while, change will strike like a tidal wave nobody is prepared for, and because of our own ignorance and unwillingness to accept change, we will have change forced on us.

John F. Kennedy once said that those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. I fear that adage is very much true when it comes to Malaysia. It will take a complete removal of every tainted high-ranking official in the government (peaceful revolution) for meaningful change in policy and corruption to come about. However, these are the men who control the votes of the UMNO, MCA, MIC and Gerakan delegates. If you toss them out, you'll get tossed out, preventing peaceful change. Therefore, some day, it might come to pass that we will have to toss them out ourselves, using violent force.

I fear for such a day, but unless peaceful revolution takes place, well...

[samheisfl]

My opinion... we still need younger generation-like of LKS, KS and Nik Aziz.. If not there will be no check and balance in our country...
- this statement doesn't mean that i support the opposition.. k..-

This post has been edited by samheisfl: Oct 16 2005, 11:54 AM

[yana19384]

(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) well..about the 2009 election...wahhh...thats still a long way from now for me to think which one is to vote...but i dont think i'll ever go for the alternatives anwyay...we are just doing great with the government no matter how much we hate them at times (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

[caramel]

Well, I think it's pretty obvious which side I am on (no need to say out). (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That is unless something pisses me off and make me change my mind before 2009.

Vote with your mind. Not with your heart.

[johnleemk]

I think the government is doing a terrible job, but I have no love lost on the opposition either. I'm still in favour of casting a spoilt vote. If enough spoilt votes are cast, it'll make the news; after all, who can claim a mandate when say, 40% of your constituents didn't vote for you and explicitly protested?

[Iron Malayan]

Maybe the opposition parties will fare better in general elections if they raise more relevant issues like the low Ringgit value, obsolete laws and the low quality of permanent residents.

[yana19384]

^^and poaching bussiness (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

[Hellkite]

Some of our opposition leaders like from the DAP are actually smart and have good ideas about helping the country go forward but political ideologies always get in the way and these ideas are not spoken in public but only in closed meetings or to their friends and acquaintances. I've had the pleasure of meeting Lim Kit Siang face to face and having dinner with him when I was a student in London. I have also frequently met and spoken with BN leaders. It would surprise many (or maybe it won't (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_confused.gif) ) that behind closed doors, when they actually speak what they feel, you would find it difficult to differentiate between who's opposition and who's governing.

They may want to push a point, like the current AP issue (I'm sure many of the ministers were against Rafidah's actions) but due to having to show their support for the government they have to keep quiet or show support for her.

Basically, after all that roundabout story is that politicians hold the reins of power but before being able to think about acting for the good of the people, their first and foremost thought at any one time is their own survival. What use is a person with great ideas, like I'm sure many of us here are, but whom no one will listen to?

[Aranadhel]

I have just been pissed off for the greatest time in my life, a new record after yesterday's incident.

The past month or two, I've been frequenting Malaysia Today (prominently linked to in my first link) and observing the comments of several there. Malaysia Today is notable because it attracts more Malay readers and commentors than Malaysiakini or Screenshots (Jeff Ooi's blog). The attitude of many Malays towards Chinese and Indians is discouraging to say the least, especially when you realise these are just the ones with internet access and the will to speak their mind. There are many more who are just lazy to do so, or don't have internet.

So, presuming the attitude of these hatemongers who have called me an enemy and irresponsible citizen and told me to hit the road to mainland China is similar to most Malays, if not milder (these are urban, middle-class, educated Malays. What do the ones in Kelantan, Terengganu, etc. think?) prevails among many Malays, I'm no longer comfortable with my status here in this country.

I may be called a citizen and told to die for my country, but in the same breath, I'm told I'm not as Malaysian as some others, even though my grandfather and father were born here, and can't imagine living anywhere else (especially my grandfather). I feel that this attitude of hate is simply intolerable - so much that in the first page I link to, I ended up swearing at the guy and satirising a patriotic song to prove my point. I just can't stand it.

To me, these comments are a betrayal of everything I learnt as a student in primary school - to co-operate, that we are all equal. I played tin-can football with my Malay and Indian friends as equals. We still invite each other to our birthday parties. We are what some might call "Bangsa Malaysia". To insinuate I am their enemy is very hurtful to me, and I'm not sure if I'm willing to put up with this attitude any longer. How about you?

I used to work for malaysian today..

[johnleemk]

You did? What was it like?

[Aranadhel]

didnt last long though.. I had to quit after a week.. but it was a good experience nonetheless.. learnt a lot in tht one week I was there.

[jlshyang]

There's just a big problem with our national policy especially our education system and also our political system.

[Protoculture]

Yeah, the generalising attitude of Malays in regards of other races. What of the prejudices of other races harbors against Malays? We surely wouldn't want to go there, do we ....

So, there's some bad fruits amongst us. Yes, national integration could be better ... but please TELL WHICH OTHER NATION WITH CHINESE & INDIAN MINORITY THAT ALLOWS CHINESE & INDIAN SCHOOLS?

Yeah right, that would leave only Malaysia. Heck, given Bumiputra grip on the Govt., even we've got Deepavali & Gong Xi Fa Cai as natinal festival.

So maybe one wanna quote Indonesia got Chines schools too ... insignificant as most were mostly set up after the nation was torn up in bloody racial-riots that got the Chinese cornered & bruised post Suharto era.

See, don't quote Thailand & Phillippines coz both said Govts. practically forcing assimilation down the Chinese throat so much so the generations nowadays are basically devoid of anything remotely Chinese, only remained in unregistered Chinese family names.

Be thankful ....

[isaax]

Yeah, the generalising attitude of Malays in regards of other races. What of the prejudices of other races harbors against Malays? We surely wouldn't want to go there, do we ....

So, there's some bad fruits amongst us. Yes, national integration could be better ... but please TELL WHICH OTHER NATION WITH CHINESE & INDIAN  MINORITY THAT ALLOWS CHINESE & INDIAN SCHOOLS?

Yeah right, that would leave only Malaysia. Heck, given Bumiputra grip on the Govt., even we've got Deepavali & Gong Xi Fa Cai as natinal festival.

So maybe one wanna quote Indonesia got Chines schools too ... insignificant as most were mostly set up after the nation was torn up in bloody racial-riots that got the Chinese cornered & bruised post Suharto era.

See, don't quote Thailand & Phillippines coz both said Govts. practically forcing assimilation down the Chinese throat so much so the generations nowadays are basically devoid of anything remotely Chinese, only remained in unregistered Chinese family names.

Be thankful ....

Argh, so damn funny.

We Chinese and Indians celebrate our festivals because we like it. Heck, even if CNY and Deepavali or even xmas not listed as public holidays we will still take our leaves or not doing business etc... Why not saying that YOU Malays exploited this chance of getting yourself a chance of holiday and goyang kaki. Nobody will say your're wrong if you choose to work on CNY. I don't go to school on CNY because there is no school. Even if there's school, it's totally up to me whether i wanna go or not. That's what i call basic human rights. Not against the law, what!

YOU malays should be thankful that it is US who gave you the chance of resting your lazy asses.

Even there's no chinese and Indian schools, we can teach our own children... I don't need no schools to teach my children, I'll teach them myself.

[Iron Malayan]

^^ Quit telling Malays to be thankful to your lousy race.

Just because we are being accomodative doesn't mean we need your ugly asses on Malay soil.

You think we love the sight of your stupid corrupt faces whenever we walk out the door ?

I still don't know what you lazy chinese are really good for.

You scumbags are nothing but a liability to Malaysia. Deal with it.

[isaax]

Ahh, finally the creature's showing his true feelings.

I'm not trying to say that we Chinese or Indians were superior to Malay, really. It's just that whenever you are boasting and keeping on reminding us (which is damn boring) it's because of Malay that we can live and enjoy our existance in Malaysia is certainly making yourselves a laughing stock in the international region.

If you don't like our faces, balik indon lah! This land isn't really yours anyway, it should rightfully owned by the Orang Asli if you really wanted to cling on to the historical issues.

[Protoculture]

Argh, so damn funny.

We Chinese and Indians celebrate our festivals because we like it. Heck, even if CNY and Deepavali or even xmas not listed as public holidays we will still take our leaves or not doing business etc... Why not saying that YOU Malays exploited this chance of getting yourself a chance of holiday and goyang kaki. Nobody will say your're wrong if you choose to work on CNY. I don't go to school on CNY because there is no school. Even if there's school, it's totally up to me whether i wanna go or not. That's what i call basic human rights. Not against the law, what!

YOU malays should be thankful that it is US who gave you the chance of resting your lazy asses.

Even there's no chinese and Indian schools, we can teach our own children... I don't need no schools to teach my children, I'll teach them myself.

Is it supposed to funny? Duhhh ....

You celebrated your festival because you like it, not because of cultural or even religious reason not attached to it by respective communities?

Now's that's a joke ....

Even non Malays are goyang kaki when we celebrated our own religious holidays.

Get real!

You don't wanna go to Chinese school, that's your prerogative. But hey, you're a bloody insignificant statistic versus millions of Chinese parents sending their kids to Chinese schools in Malaysia.

You can teach your children at home ... pray tell, are you darn qualified? Even Govt. had to resort importing Chinese teachers from Taiwan because of pressing demand from Chinese schools.

Get real!