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FrenchVanillaNYC
post Sep 3 2005, 04:07 PM
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Like the "Learn Chinese with me" thread, this thread lets folks learn Japanese along with me. Right now I can share what I've learned through about intermediate level or so, then after that it will be me who will be learning whatever I post. embarassedlaugh.gif

If you know Japanese, you can help too!
If you see any mistakes, feel free to jump in and correct it.

To begin with, I'll put a pronunciation key to learn. Unlike Chinese, Japanese uses katakana and hiragana to express pronunciations. Likewise will I in this thread.

So...

Hiragana is the Japanese script that spells out native Japanese words or aids people in reading kanji (Chinese characters), which appears as furigana above a character.

Katakana is the Japanese script that spells out foreign words and names or new Japanese words like "ka-ra-o-ke" and "pa-chi-n-ko".

Hiragana = red
Katakana = blue
Romaji = purple

Vowels
A "Ah" as in "watt"
I "Ee" as in "teeth"
U "Oo" as in "good"
E "Eh" as in "pet"
O "O" as in "more" (not as "oh" sounding as "toe")

"K" consonants
KA Like the "co" in "cob"
KI Like "key" as in "key"
KU Like the "coo" in "cook" (not as "coo" as the word "coo")
KE Like the"ca" in "care" (not as "kay" as the in word "came")
KO Like "co" in "core" (not as "oh" sounding as "cold")

"S" consonants
SA Like the "so" in "sob"
SHI Like the "she" in "she"
SU Like the"su" in "surprise" (Not as strong as in the word "sue")
SE Like the "seh" in "second" (not as strong as in the word "say")
SO Like "so" in "song" (not as "oh" sounding as the word "so")

"T" consonants
TA Like the "to" in "top"
CHI Like "chee" as in "cheese"
TSU Like the"tsu" in "tsunami"
TE Like the "te" in "text" (Not as "ay" as in "tape")
TO Like "to" in "tomato" (not as "oh" sounding as "toes")

"N" consonants
NA Like the "no" in "knob"
NI Like "nee" as in "knee"
NU Like the "ne" in "nerd" (Not as "oo" as in the word "new")
NE Like the"ne" in "net" (Not as "ay" as in the word "nay")
NO Like "no" in "nor" (not as "oh" sounding as the word"no")

"H" consonants
HA/WA Like "ha" in laughter at the beginning of a sentence, like "wa" when used as a marker
HI Like the word "he", sometimes sounds like a cross between "he" and "she"
FU Like the "fu" in "full"
HE Like the "hai" in "hair"/ Tends to sound like えmid-sentence
HO Like "ho" in "home" (not as "oh" sounding as "hold")

"M" consonants
MA"Ma" as in "mama"
MI"Me" as in "me"
MU"Mu" as in "murky" (not as "oo" a "moo)
ME"Meh" as in "mesmerize"
ME"Mo" as in "more"

"R" consonants
RA Similar to saying "la" in "lalala"
RI Similar to the surname "Lee"
RU Similar to the "lu" in "lure"
RE Similar to the the"leh" in "let"
RO Similar to "lo" in "lore" (not as "loh" sounding as "low")

"Y" sounds
YA "Yah" as in "yacht"
YU "YŁ" as in Chinese "YŁ"
YO "Yo" as in "your" (not as "yo" as English "yo")

*Add a consonant ending with "-i" to combine it with "y" sounds to combine them. Ex: き+や = kya, ち+よ = cho, し+や = sha, じ+ゆ = ju

"W" sounds
WA "Wa" as in "water"
WO Similar to お

"-N" ending
-N Nasalized like French "-n", similar to "-n" in "croissant"

"G" consonants
が = ga、ぎ = gi、 ぐ = gu、 げ = ge、 ご = go (Just like "K", only with accent marks)

"Z" consonants
ざ=za, [b]じ= ji
, ず = zu, ぜ = ze, ぞ = zo (Similar to "S", only shi becomes ji)

"D" consonants
だ = da、ぢ = dji、づ = dzu、 で = de、 ど= do (Similar to "T", only chi becomes dji and tsu becomes dzu)

"B" consonants
ば = ba, び = bi, ぶ = bu, べ = be, ぼ = bo (Just like "H", only with accent marks)

"P' consonants
ぱ = pa, ぴ = pi, ぷ = pu, ぺ = pe, ぽ= po (Just like "B" only with circular stress marks)

*A little tsu "っ" before any consonant indicates stress, it is not pronounced. Example: ひっき = hikki (not "hitsuki"), あった = atta (not "atsuta")

This is a good site to learn how to write the Japanese scripts.
Katakana strokes
Hiragana strokes


Edit: Here are some examples of words in Japanese that use strictly katakana or romaji:

Katakana:
ゲーム geemu = game

コンピューター konpyuutaa = computer

シャツ shatsu = shirt

アメリカ Amerika = America

アニータ Aniita = Anita


Romaji:
ぎっちり gitchiri = tightly

あっさりassari = simply

ぎりぎり giri-giri = barely

ぴちぴち pichi-pichi = lively

-っぱなし -ppanashi = keep -ing, have been -ing

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post Oct 8 2005, 11:37 PM
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i wonder....is it difficult to learn 2 languages simultaneously?
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post Oct 9 2005, 01:56 AM
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These threads are why I love French. biggthumpup.gif

QUOTE (Eclectic Asian @ Oct 9 2005, 01:37 PM)
i wonder....is it difficult to learn 2 languages simultaneously?
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I took German and Spanish at uni, never had problems keeping them seperate.
My friends were trying to teach me some Korean at the time, too, but I never learnt much.
Just a few greetings, "hey, baby," and how to drink & gamble.
Oh well.

I think it depends on the person as to how much you'll get confused, but also what language group the languages belong to.
Learning French and Spanish at the same time would have probably been confusing, as they are both Latin-derived.
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