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[herosword]

If I see a hate post on any race, I will CRUSH YOU

Well, good for you (just tone down the language a bit, it might scare people). Yet racism should not be tolerated anywhere.

You go to an Ivy? Which one?

This post has been edited by herosword: Mar 4 2004, 06:05 PM

[Byron]

That'd be very interesting.

I can't believe you say such words. I don't think you vietnam peoples are educated.

Do you think you can have your pride by posting such threads?

Oh yeah Vietnamese people aren't educated. I guess this report must be wrong.

http://www.modelminority.com/article285.html

This post has been edited by Byron: Jan 4 2008, 07:29 PM

[herosword]

Huaren is an idiot. He say Vietnamese people aren't educated put he can't put up and educated arguement worth a fart. Well, your very supremacist and cheap insult of the Vietnamese, requires a cheap rebuttal. You just don't learn, so I point out to you that most Vietnamese on this forum have English as a second language, but we can put together a coherent sentence. Who's the dumbass here?

[AtlantisStar]

And this topic is over.....

[herosword]

Seems like it, but you never know. Maybe someone will get back on track.

This post has been edited by herosword: Mar 4 2004, 09:31 PM

[huaren]

Huaren is an idiot. He say Vietnamese people aren't educated put he can't put up and educated arguement worth a fart. Well, your very supremacist and cheap insult of the Vietnamese, requires a cheap rebuttal. You just don't learn, so I point out to you that most Vietnamese on this forum have English as a second language, but we can put together a coherent sentence. Who's the dumbass here?

[YManchun]

Basically Vietcong would take Americans as prisoners but any South Korean they captured they would excecute right on the spot for their atrociites.

Don't label every korean soldier in vietnam have committed atrocities, how would the VC know that they all committed atrocities? I know some korean soldiers massacred civilians but not all of them!


Anyways, I was searching the internet and as it turned out some of the reported atrocities never actually happened (I'm not saying all but some) but were rather propaganda and rumors. So please don't post links that have unsubstantiated claims like whenever you want, how would you feel if I posted unsubstantiated claims of vietnam? If they have been confirmed then it would be a different story.

I edited the quotes by putting some of the sentences in bold print.

Not all stories of brutality can be believed, as Vietnam in
1972 was still in the throes of war, with Vietcong controlling
much of the Vietnamese propaganda and many of those interviewees
were Viet Cong sympathizer. Some of the stories are probably
true especially regarding the Korean Marines of the Blue Dragon
detachment. There are evidences that suggest in 1966, when the
Koreans first arrived, there were rapes followed by massaccres
of civilians. With concerns of its conduct in Vietnam, Korean
military tried, convicted, and executed some of the perpetrators
and the officers who allowed rapes of civilians. Because Koreans
worked under their own command and not were under U.S. command,
and since Koreans weren't good at cooperating with Vietnamese
forces, there were many unwarranted suspicions of what they were
doing in their tactical area of command.

From 1967 to 1970, there was a Japanese reporter named
Katsuichi Honda visited Vietnam and reported the war through the
Asian eyes. He wrote a book about it, it's title is "Vietnam War
- A Report Through Asian Eyes". He had anti-vietnam war views,
so therefore, not certainly partial to ROK in Vietnam. He
discovered that many of the stories concerning ROK atrocities
were rumours based on Vietnamese's fear of the unknown ROK,
jealousy, and communist propaganda. He himself checked out the
stories by visiting the villages of where it was supposed to
happened but found that they never happened. He also discovered
that the farther the distance from the ROK tactical area of
operation, the reputation got worse.
Among the some 20,000 sq miles that ROK controlled, Honda by
interviewing locals found out that ROK's were much more popular
than the Americans and government forces. ROK had total control
of their sector providing first rate security for the Vietnamese
at the same time helping the locals with rice plantation,
building of schools, temples, and houses. Americans on the other
hand, had a reputation among the Vietnamese as treating them
with disdain and were often beaten by the communists, although
they were good source of income for the Vietnamese. The conduct
and performance of S.Vietnamese government troops were even much
worse. Honda basically praised the ROK troops as by far the best
Allied troop in everyway including, the way they treated the
civilians and their extraordinary military performances

http://www.dpg.devry.edu/~akim/sck/vietnam2.htm

Katsuichi Honda, Vietnam War: A Report through Asian Eyes. Tokyo: Mirai-Sha, 1972. 511 pp. Honda was a correspondent for the Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun, in South Vietnam from December 1966 to October 1967, and in North Vietnam in 1968. He is quite critical of the United States. Interestingly, he has a much higher opinion of the Korean forces in Vietnam, stating (pp. 239-46) that his observations did not support the widespread reports of Korean brutality in Vietnam.

http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~eemoise/korea.html

In case you are wondering Katsuichi is japanese not korean, so its unlikely that he would say these things to "save face" because they aren't his people.

This post has been edited by YManchun: Mar 5 2004, 02:27 PM

[Byron]

Basically Vietcong would take Americans as prisoners but any South Korean they captured they would excecute right on the spot for their atrociites.

Don't label every korean soldier in vietnam have committed atrocities, how would the VC know that they all committed atrocities? I know some korean soldiers massacred civilians but not all of them!


Anyways, I was searching the internet and as it turned out some of the reported atrocities never actually happened (I'm not saying all but some) but were rather propaganda and rumors. So please don't post links that have unsubstantiated claims like whenever you want, how would you feel if I posted unsubstantiated claims of vietnam? If they have been confirmed then it would be a different story.

I edited the quotes by putting some of the sentences in bold print.

Not all stories of brutality can be believed, as Vietnam in
1972 was still in the throes of war, with Vietcong controlling
much of the Vietnamese propaganda and many of those interviewees
were Viet Cong sympathizer. Some of the stories are probably
true especially regarding the Korean Marines of the Blue Dragon
detachment. There are evidences that suggest in 1966, when the
Koreans first arrived, there were rapes followed by massaccres
of civilians. With concerns of its conduct in Vietnam, Korean
military tried, convicted, and executed some of the perpetrators
and the officers who allowed rapes of civilians. Because Koreans
worked under their own command and not were under U.S. command,
and since Koreans weren't good at cooperating with Vietnamese
forces, there were many unwarranted suspicions of what they were
doing in their tactical area of command.

From 1967 to 1970, there was a Japanese reporter named
Katsuichi Honda visited Vietnam and reported the war through the
Asian eyes. He wrote a book about it, it's title is "Vietnam War
- A Report Through Asian Eyes". He had anti-vietnam war views,
so therefore, not certainly partial to ROK in Vietnam. He
discovered that many of the stories concerning ROK atrocities
were rumours based on Vietnamese's fear of the unknown ROK,
jealousy, and communist propaganda. He himself checked out the
stories by visiting the villages of where it was supposed to
happened but found that they never happened. He also discovered
that the farther the distance from the ROK tactical area of
operation, the reputation got worse.
Among the some 20,000 sq miles that ROK controlled, Honda by
interviewing locals found out that ROK's were much more popular
than the Americans and government forces. ROK had total control
of their sector providing first rate security for the Vietnamese
at the same time helping the locals with rice plantation,
building of schools, temples, and houses. Americans on the other
hand, had a reputation among the Vietnamese as treating them
with disdain and were often beaten by the communists, although
they were good source of income for the Vietnamese. The conduct
and performance of S.Vietnamese government troops were even much
worse. Honda basically praised the ROK troops as by far the best
Allied troop in everyway including, the way they treated the
civilians and their extraordinary military performances

http://www.dpg.devry.edu/~akim/sck/vietnam2.htm

Katsuichi Honda, Vietnam War: A Report through Asian Eyes. Tokyo: Mirai-Sha, 1972. 511 pp. Honda was a correspondent for the Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun, in South Vietnam from December 1966 to October 1967, and in North Vietnam in 1968. He is quite critical of the United States. Interestingly, he has a much higher opinion of the Korean forces in Vietnam, stating (pp. 239-46) that his observations did not support the widespread reports of Korean brutality in Vietnam.

http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~eemoise/korea.html

In case you are wondering Katsuichi is japanese not korean, so its unlikely that he would say these things to "save face" because they aren't his people.

Ok look even the government of South Korea admitted there were atrocities and even created a peace park as a remainder to put those memories of atrocities to rest. So why create a peace park if the atrocities weren't as bad as your Devry article claims? But then again it is from Devry one of the most crappiest schools in America. LOL

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2679007.stm

[YManchun]

I said some of the atrocities may not have happened. I didn't say that they weren't any.

[azn_pyde_viet]

"Operation Van Buren," a ROKMC platoon of about 13 people wiped out an elite North Vietnamese Army regiment. There were only 2 Koreans dead and more than 400 NVA soldiers dead. It was first a gun battle but it broke down into hand to hand combat.

Damn, I thought the NVAR were better than that. that must be a lie!

[YManchun]

Anyways for the atrocities that our soldiers did partake in.

I would like to apologize the vietnamese who have suffered from the atrocities. I am sorry that our soldiers had commited such acts that were beyond barbaric and as soldiers of korea (who have also suffered from foreign rule ) they should have known better.

This post has been edited by YManchun: Mar 6 2004, 12:25 AM

[Rad Raz]

it's not a lie. American military photographer who were accompanied with ROK during the Operation Van Buren took the pictures of first melee combat between ROK and NVA. RoK cassualty had about over 20 death and about 60 wounded, NVA had cassualty of about 380 death and unknown number of wounded.

[Hiroki]

Man, it seems like every other week, the mistakes of 70 years ago are brought back to light again just to bash down my people.

Yes, Imperial Japan committed those atrocities. But dont you think that you're preaching to the choir here? Isnt by being on AF in the first place show some open-mindedness towards all Asian cultures? If you want to educate, then go to some primarily Japanese oriented forum and post there.

This doesnt seem much like the cultural exchange that I had envisioned many months ago when I signed up. More like that I've been on the defense of Japan ever since I browsed this forum. Yes, those horrible things have happened but many of you cannot bring yourself to look past those mistakes and see the good place that Japan has become.

[azn_pyde_viet]

it's not a lie. American military photographer who were accompanied with ROK during the Operation Van Buren took the pictures of first melee combat between ROK and NVA. RoK cassualty had about over 20 death and about 60 wounded, NVA had cassualty of about 380 death and unknown number of wounded.

Damn, the ratio is 1:19.

This post has been edited by azn_pyde_viet: Mar 6 2004, 05:26 AM

[Byron]

it's not a lie. American military photographer who were accompanied with ROK during the Operation Van Buren took the pictures of first melee combat between ROK and NVA. RoK cassualty had about over 20 death and about 60 wounded, NVA had cassualty of about 380 death and unknown number of wounded.

Damn, the ratio is 1:19.

Probably not a lie. Considering the Allied forces had lots of air support so the huge casualties would come from NVA getting killed by bombs and stuff. Remember more bombs were dropped on Vietnam then all the bombs dropped on World War 2 put together, so of course your gonna have huge NVA casuality rates with all those bombs.

YManchun:

Oh and thanks for the apoligies but I didn't really want you to apolgize since I never really had hate for the ROK and I like to believe in forgiving and forgetting and most Vietnamese probably have forgotten that incident anyway. But thanks for the apoligyanyway.

This post has been edited by Byron: Mar 6 2004, 08:16 AM

[herosword]

Man, it seems like every other week, the mistakes of 70 years ago are brought back to light again just to bash down my people.

Yes, Imperial Japan committed those atrocities. But dont you think that you're preaching to the choir here? Isnt by being on AF in the first place show some open-mindedness towards all Asian cultures? If you want to educate, then go to some primarily Japanese oriented forum and post there.

This doesnt seem much like the cultural exchange that I had envisioned many months ago when I signed up. More like that I've been on the defense of Japan ever since I browsed this forum.  Yes, those horrible things have happened but many of you cannot bring yourself to look past those mistakes and see the good place that Japan has become.

I can see the good that Japan has done. As I said, Japan is a different country now and a good neighbors esspecially to Southeast Asian nations. It's also an important American ally.

This post has been edited by herosword: Mar 6 2004, 10:31 AM

[AtlantisStar]

If this hate keeps up another war will spawn.

[huaren]

If this hate keeps up another war will spawn.

And I look forward for that to happen.

[DAI_VIET]

If this hate keeps up another war will spawn.

And I look forward for that to happen.

God help us all...

[huaren]

God help us all...

What will be the first country to go to war starting today? I mean big war.

This post has been edited by huaren: Mar 6 2004, 03:10 PM