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Kambolizhuz
post Mar 5 2004, 08:07 PM
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I was reading the post called Cambodian friend and I think some of some the ppl don't know what Khmer script look like.
Fact #1: we are or one of the first to be influence by Indian script.
Fact #2: We influence the Thai who influence the Laos, and our is the roundest.
That all I know right now.....on top my head...tell you more later but here are pics
(IMG:http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~malaiya/images/south1.gif)

(IMG:http://www.worldscriptures.org/john1-jpgs/khmer.jpg)
top of this is aksor mour: round script which are for tittle
the other one is just normal. The normal one are very beautiful when it hand written.

post up beautiful Khmer writtings!
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post Mar 5 2004, 08:15 PM
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Khmer Script

Origin
The Khmer alphabet is descended from the Brahmi script of ancient India by way of the Pallava script, which was used in southern India and South East Asia during the 5th and 6th Centuries AD. The oldest dated inscription in Khmer dates from 611 AD.

The Khmer alphabet closely resembles the Thai and Lao alphabets, which were developed from it.


Consonants:
(IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/khmer_cons.gif)
(IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/khmer_vwl.gif)

Numerals:
(IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/khmer_num.gif)

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Khmer and Mons were influenced by India directly, while Burmese Thai Laos where influenced by India Via Khmer and Mons. I know how to write the first 5 consonants, I'm still learning to write the others.
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post Mar 5 2004, 11:41 PM
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Cools. Kambolizhuz, can you read and write it?
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Kambolizhuz
post Mar 6 2004, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE (WhoAmI @ Mar 6 2004, 12:41 AM)
Cools. Kambolizhuz, can you read and write it?

Saddly no,I came to the U.S when I was 7 and my parents are too busy.
I try to learn it on my owm though and if I have time I might go to temple and learn it with the monks.
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post Mar 9 2004, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE (Kambolizhuz @ Mar 6 2004, 09:31 PM)
QUOTE (WhoAmI @ Mar 6 2004, 12:41 AM)
Cools. Kambolizhuz, can you read and write it?

Saddly no,I came to the U.S when I was 7 and my parents are too busy.
I try to learn it on my owm though and if I have time I might go to temple and learn it with the monks.

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post Mar 28 2004, 12:08 AM
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If you've study Khmer and Thai, then you'd notice that Thai script is basically Khmer script without the sak or hair. As they say in Khmer, Thai script is Bald and Khmer script has hairs.
Though you gotta give them credit, they did invent a few obsolete and redundant consonants that Khmer doesn't have, LOLz. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)

Example. Notice the letter "K" in Khmer has a wriggly thing on top and Thai doesn't.
Here's a a name that is used by Thai and Khmer. Keo Mani. (or Kaew/Kaev)
Next word is Reach/Rach which means royal. The next word is Kar/Kan which means work.
(IMG:http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Darioop/khm.gif)

Pretty the same eh?
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post Mar 28 2004, 12:21 AM
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what's up dara. that's what my mom told me too about khmer and thai scripts. if you can read khmer, you can read thai also. my parents told me to learn how to read and write in khmer at the wat and i'm planning too also.
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post Mar 28 2004, 12:38 AM
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From http://www.aznet.net/~rmyers/Chapt2.htm#_Toc7403835 , The Thai-Lao Script and Writing Systems is described as follows:

Of notable historical significance is the similarity of the Thai-Lao writing systems and scripts, strongly indicating singular roots and cultural relationships between the Thai and Lao. [31] The Thai King Ramkhamhaeng is credited with having developed the original Thai script circa AD 1293. [32] However, in actuality it is an innovative adaptation of the older Mon and Khmer scripts, whose roots were the Indic-based Brami writing system, [33] brought over by Indian traders and merchants. [34] This further suggests that the Indianized Mon and Khmer inhabited the vicinity previous to the advent of the Thai and Lao, subsequently influencing their cultures and writing systems.

It is entirely reasonable that the strong similarity of the two scripts (see chart) shows that: (1) the Lao cohabited with their Thai cousins under Mon and Khmer rule and later divided around the Sukhothai period, taking what became their version of the script with them; (2) the Lao were under oversight of the Thai and broke free to establish Lan Chang, taking the writing system with them; or (3) the Lao, as a nearby people group, were influenced by the Thai, subsequently adopting their writing system. [35] [36]
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Comment: The above information appears to clearly support Kambolizhus's assertion that "[The Khmer] influence[d] the Thai who [in turn] influence[d] the Laos..."
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post Mar 28 2004, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE (Menikani @ Mar 5 2004, 09:15 PM)
Khmer Script

Origin
The Khmer alphabet is descended from the Brahmi script of ancient India by way of the Pallava script, which was used in southern India and South East Asia during the 5th and 6th Centuries AD. The oldest dated inscription in Khmer dates from 611 AD.

The Khmer alphabet closely resembles the Thai and Lao alphabets, which were developed from it.


Consonants:
(IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/khmer_cons.gif)
(IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/khmer_vwl.gif)

Numerals:
(IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/khmer_num.gif)

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Khmer and Mons were influenced by India directly, while Burmese Thai Laos where influenced by India Via Khmer and Mons. I know how to write the first 5 consonants, I'm still learning to write the others.

Consonants are not traditionally ordered like that. That list is strange.

Here's regular script and Aksar Muol. The latter is used in Khmer and 'Thai' tatoos.
(IMG:http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Darioop/akkosan.gif)
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post Mar 28 2004, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE (angkorwat19 @ Mar 28 2004, 01:21 AM)
what's up dara. that's what my mom told me too about khmer and thai scripts. if you can read khmer, you can read thai also. my parents told me to learn how to read and write in khmer at the wat and i'm planning too also.

Hey, (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
yeah, go learn it. it's great to read novels and other literature in Khmer.
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post Mar 28 2004, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE (Dara @ Mar 28 2004, 01:39 AM)
Consonants are not traditionally ordered like that. That list is strange.

Here's regular script and Aksar Muol. The latter is used in Khmer and 'Thai' tatoos.
(IMG:http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Darioop/akkosan.gif)

That's what I realized to when I read it. I know how to write the first 5 consonant and when I went to read Gaw Kaw goewl koewl Nghaw... It was'nt in order..
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post Mar 29 2004, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (angkorwat19 @ Mar 28 2004, 01:21 AM)
what's up dara. that's what my mom told me too about khmer and thai scripts. if you can read khmer, you can read thai also. my parents told me to learn how to read and write in khmer at the wat and i'm planning too also.

Its not really that you can read Khmer that you can read Thai!!!! The Thai scripts were more fancy than Khmer's...But just sosme of them are similar...Not all.

I know how to read a little bite KhmerLanguage...Its not fluentely as some others. But its very complicate how to read it...huh??? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif) . Any ways i love to read it at many time as i have time!!!!

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post Mar 29 2004, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE (Dara @ Mar 28 2004, 01:39 AM)
QUOTE (Menikani @ Mar 5 2004, 09:15 PM)
Khmer Script

Origin
The Khmer alphabet is descended from the Brahmi script of ancient India by way of the Pallava script, which was used in southern India and South East Asia during the 5th and 6th Centuries AD. The oldest dated inscription in Khmer dates from 611 AD.

The Khmer alphabet closely resembles the Thai and Lao alphabets, which were developed from it.


Consonants:
(IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/khmer_cons.gif)
(IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/khmer_vwl.gif)

Numerals:
(IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/khmer_num.gif)

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Khmer and Mons were influenced by India directly, while Burmese Thai Laos where influenced by India Via Khmer and Mons. I know how to write the first 5 consonants, I'm still learning to write the others.

Consonants are not traditionally ordered like that. That list is strange.

Here's regular script and Aksar Muol. The latter is used in Khmer and 'Thai' tatoos.
(IMG:http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Darioop/akkosan.gif)

Hey DARA,

You missing one word at the end of line buttom!! "SO"


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post Mar 29 2004, 06:38 PM
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wow...it kind of looks like laos writings..hehe...what a ka-winkie-dink...
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post Mar 29 2004, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE
Thai scripts were more fancy

Sorry if I seem ethicthocentric but I disagree.
To me Thai writing look LESS fancy because it less round, so it more plain to me.
I even think the Lao's writing look nicer than the Thai, maybe because I like round scripts more.
This is just my opinion. I like Chinese, Arabic, Hebrew, Sanskit, Hindi, and Pali writings.
Thai scripts:
(IMG:http://www.thaiforlovers.com/images/poem_005.gif)
Khmer Scripts:
(IMG:http://logos.uoregon.edu/explore/orthography/khmer.gif)
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If you like round scripts which you think is much more fancier.I suggest you should check out Indonesian writing and Burmese.

I think Thai writing is very unique in her own way. It is less round than khmer,but it is kind of fancy in a way.
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QUOTE (Dara @ Mar 28 2004, 01:08 AM)

thai(top) khmer(bottom)
(IMG:http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/a_khmer/thai_num.gif)

lao
(IMG:http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/a_khmer/lao_num.gif)

the numbers in khmer and thai are almost identical. i had no idea. i don't really pay attention to thai writings. i give credit to the lao though because they at least try to make their writing system look different than khmer and thai. you could just tell by looking at lao writing. thai and khmer closely resembles each other while lao seems like they try to have some originality.

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(IMG:http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/a_khmer/thai_num.gif)
Is it me or the Thai and Japanese alike and Khmer and Chinese alike in this sense?
Japanese numbers are written the same but pronounce differently then the Chinese.
Just like the Thai numbers are written almost the same as Khmer but pronounce differently.

The numbers are originally Chinese and Khmer and the Japanese and Thai copied/influenced and kept about the same way and just pronounced it differently.

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post Apr 4 2004, 12:20 AM
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QUOTE (angkorwat19 @ Apr 3 2004, 04:12 PM)
QUOTE (Dara @ Mar 28 2004, 01:08 AM)

thai(top) khmer(bottom)
(IMG:http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/a_khmer/thai_num.gif)

lao
(IMG:http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/a_khmer/lao_num.gif)

the numbers in khmer and thai are almost identical. i had no idea. i don't really pay attention to thai writings. i give credit to the lao though because they at least try to make their writing system look different than khmer and thai. you could just tell by looking at lao writing. thai and khmer closely resembles each other while lao seems like they try to have some originality.

I think Laotions are closer to Thai..they've been heavily influenced by Thailand, the only thing mainly different is their alphabet. Their languages are very similar sounding too.
Though Lao has very few consonants, they don't even have an R sound..for borrowed words it changes to an L sound or it's dropped. The alphabet is very simple compared to Khmer or Thai.

Lao: Pha
Thai: Phra
Khmer: Preah (Khmer tends to change the A sound to "ea")


If you want to learn to read and write Lao, then it'd be very easy. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)
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post Apr 4 2004, 02:30 AM
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Burmese Script(Looks the best out of Thai, Khmer, Laos in my opinion):

Consonants:
(IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/burmese_cons.gif)

Vowels and vowel diacritics:
(IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/burmese_vwl.gif)

Numerals:
(IMG:http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/burmese_num.gif)
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