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[brucewayne]

Just read a news today from Berita harian...

Tentera AS cuci kasut guna al-Quran

TELUK GUANTANAMO: Tentera Amerika Syarikat di Afghanistan menggunakan halaman yang dikoyakkan dari naskhah al-Quran untuk mengesat dan menyuci kasut mereka yang kotor, kata seorang tahanan Islam di penjara Amerika di Cuba itu.
Jumah Al-Dossary, 30, salah seorang daripada enam warga Bahrain yang ditahan di penjara Guantanamo mengesahkan bahawa al-Quran dihina di kem itu manakala tahanan Islam turut menjadi mangsa penderaan seksual, lapor The Associated Press.

Al-Dossary berkata, beliau melihat dengan mata kepalanya sendiri tentera Amerika di Pangkalan Udara Tentera Amerika di Kandahar, Afghanistan membersihkan kasut mereka menggunakan kertas yang dikoyak dari naskhah al-Quran.

Menurut dokumen sulit yang baru didedahkan oleh peguamnya, Joshua Colangelo-Bryan, Al-Dossary dibelasah dan dipijak oleh lapan tentera Amerika sejurus selepas tahanan Islam itu baru menjalani pembedahan perut.

Menurut dokumen itu, pada September 2002, al-Dossary dibawa ke bilik soal siasat dan berdepan dengan empat polis tentera dengan salah seorang daripadanya membawa kamera video.

Katanya, beliau dirantai di atas lantai sebelum dilucutkan pakaian sehingga bogel atas arahan seorang penyoal siasat wanita.

“Wanita itu kemudiannya berbogel, bertinggung di atas kemaluan, dada dan muka saya sebelum dia mengesat darah haidnya ke atas badan saya bagi memaksa saya membuat pengakuan mempunyai hubungan dengan rangkaian al-Qaeda,” kata al-Dossary yang dicatatkan dalam dokumen itu.

Selepas bertemu dengan enam tahanan Bahrain di penjara Guantanamo, Colangelo-Bryan, yang baru tiba di Amerika berkata, enam lelaki itu kini bimbang mereka terpaksa merengkuk di dalam penjara itu seumur hidup.

Sementara itu, laporan terbaru menyatakan, tentera Amerika berulang kali memasukkan tiub makanan kotor ke hidung banduan yang melancarkan mogok lapar sehingga banduan itu muntah darah. – Agensi

“Mereka menjolok salur itu menerusi hidung banduan sehingga salur itu tiba ke perut berulang kali,” kata peguam yang melaporkan kejadian itu kepada hakim persekutuan Amerika pada Ogos lalu.

“Keadaan itu mengakibatkan banduan terbabit muntah darah. Apabila muntah, tentera menghina banduan dengan menyatakan, lihatlah apa yang agama kamu lakukan ke atas diri kamu,” menurut dokumen itu yang baru didedahkan, lapor Associated Press.

Warga Arab Saudi, Yousef al Shehri, 21, yang ditahan di Guantanamo, berkata pegawai memindahkan tiub itu dari seorang banduan kepada banduan lain tanpa mencucinya terlebih dulu.

Seorang lagi banduan berkata, doktor tentera menjolok tiub itu menerusi hidungnya ke perut sehingga menyebabkannya muntah darah. – Agensi


`Nauzubillah....`
Semoga Allah memberi kekuatan kpd mangsa2 penderaan.
Hanya utk menyampaikan kekejaman yg dilakukan oleh tentera Amerika ke atas saudara2 kita.

[Wulandari]

Ponpon said:

But isn't this called generalization , grandmama? you agreed earlier,that there must be some good muslims not all muslims are terrorists or support terrorism ,right? icon_wink.gif

Otherwise Malaysia would not have progressed due to the sheer number of idiotic suicide bombers icon_wink.gif

Yes, my dear

I agree that there are some good Muslims, and not all Muslims are terrorist or support terrorist.

However, how if the number of those bad Muslims is much bigger than the number of good Muslims? And those good Muslims don't do anything to their bad brother Muslims. Does it mean that ACTUALLY the good Muslims INDIRECTLY support their bad brother Muslims ?

It means those bad Muslims and those good Muslims actually almost the same?

[mmmbop]

Ponpon said:

But isn't this called generalization , grandmama? you agreed earlier,that there must be some good muslims not all muslims are terrorists or support terrorism ,right? icon_wink.gif

Otherwise Malaysia would not have progressed due to the sheer number of idiotic suicide bombers icon_wink.gif

Yes, my dear

I agree that there are some good Muslims, and not all Muslims are terrorist or support terrorist.

However, how if the number of those bad Muslims is much bigger than the number of good Muslims? And those good Muslims don't do anything to their bad brother Muslims. Does it mean that ACTUALLY the good Muslims INDIRECTLY support their bad brother Muslims ?

It means those bad Muslims and those good Muslims actually almost the same?

Tongue twisting..you're good..

And how if the number of those good muslim outnumbered the bad? lol..we can play this the whole day..

[Wulandari]

Ponpon said:

But isn't this called generalization , grandmama? you agreed earlier,that there must be some good muslims not all muslims are terrorists or support terrorism ,right? icon_wink.gif

Otherwise Malaysia would not have progressed due to the sheer number of idiotic suicide bombers icon_wink.gif

Yes, my dear

I agree that there are some good Muslims, and not all Muslims are terrorist or support terrorist.

However, how if the number of those bad Muslims is much bigger than the number of good Muslims? And those good Muslims don't do anything to their bad brother Muslims. Does it mean that ACTUALLY the good Muslims INDIRECTLY support their bad brother Muslims ?

It means those bad Muslims and those good Muslims actually almost the same?

Tongue twisting..you're good..

And how if the number of those good muslim outnumbered the bad? lol..we can play this the whole day..

Ah.......

Don't be too sensitive, my dear

I am talking based on my experiences !

When Muslim terrorists attack WTC in 2001, majority of Muslims in my country said that America deserved to be attacked in that tragedy, JUST BECAUSE ARROGANCY EXCUSE. In means majority Muslims in my country supported the murders of 3,000 civilians in that event, majority of 230 million people. In WTC 2001 attack, 3,000 civilians were cowardly murdered by those terrorists.

Supporting the murders, is almost the same by doing the murder

What do you think, my dear?

[samheisfl]

Ponpon said:

But isn't this called generalization , grandmama? you agreed earlier,that there must be some good muslims not all muslims are terrorists or support terrorism ,right? icon_wink.gif

Otherwise Malaysia would not have progressed due to the sheer number of idiotic suicide bombers icon_wink.gif

Yes, my dear

I agree that there are some good Muslims, and not all Muslims are terrorist or support terrorist.

However, how if the number of those bad Muslims is much bigger than the number of good Muslims? And those good Muslims don't do anything to their bad brother Muslims. Does it mean that ACTUALLY the good Muslims INDIRECTLY support their bad brother Muslims ?

It means those bad Muslims and those good Muslims actually almost the same?

Tongue twisting..you're good..

And how if the number of those good muslim outnumbered the bad? lol..we can play this the whole day..

Ah.......

Don't be too sensitive, my dear

I am talking based on my experiences !

When Muslim terrorists attack WTC in 2001, majority of Muslims in my country said that America deserved to be attacked in that tragedy, JUST BECAUSE ARROGANCY EXCUSE. In means majority Muslims in my country supported the murders of 3,000 civilians in that event, majority of 230 million people. In WTC 2001 attack, 3,000 civilians were cowardly murdered by those terrorists.

Supporting the murders, is almost the same by doing the murder

What do you think, my dear?

Well.. When US attacked Iraq, where the casualties among the innocents a few times higher than the WTC casualties... 30,000 casualties? I think its ok for you isn't it? Don't you think that why america was attacked..? Because more than 3,000 people died in WTC, another 30,000 muslims must died as a revenge... Hmmm... Interesting Granma...

Besides that, not only the muslims would said that America deserved to be attacked. The southern american expressed the same way... Hugo Chavez...? Well, i think they are christians nations..

It is not merely because of religions... but the super powers nation is to arrogant... Feels like they are invisible.. but not.. God is on our side...

Peace..granma.. peace.. -

This post has been edited by samheisfl: Nov 13 2005, 06:37 AM

[Wulandari]

Ponpon said:

But isn't this called generalization , grandmama? you agreed earlier,that there must be some good muslims not all muslims are terrorists or support terrorism ,right? icon_wink.gif

Otherwise Malaysia would not have progressed due to the sheer number of idiotic suicide bombers icon_wink.gif

Yes, my dear

I agree that there are some good Muslims, and not all Muslims are terrorist or support terrorist.

However, how if the number of those bad Muslims is much bigger than the number of good Muslims? And those good Muslims don't do anything to their bad brother Muslims. Does it mean that ACTUALLY the good Muslims INDIRECTLY support their bad brother Muslims ?

It means those bad Muslims and those good Muslims actually almost the same?

Tongue twisting..you're good..

And how if the number of those good muslim outnumbered the bad? lol..we can play this the whole day..

Ah.......

Don't be too sensitive, my dear

I am talking based on my experiences !

When Muslim terrorists attack WTC in 2001, majority of Muslims in my country said that America deserved to be attacked in that tragedy, JUST BECAUSE ARROGANCY EXCUSE. In means majority Muslims in my country supported the murders of 3,000 civilians in that event, majority of 230 million people. In WTC 2001 attack, 3,000 civilians were cowardly murdered by those terrorists.

Supporting the murders, is almost the same by doing the murder

What do you think, my dear?

Well.. When US attacked Iraq, where the casualties among the innocents a few times higher than the WTC casualties... 30,000 casualties? I think its ok for you isn't it? Don't you think that why america was attacked..? Because more than 3,000 people died in WTC, another 30,000 muslims must died as a revenge... Hmmm... Interesting Granma...

Besides that, not only the muslims would said that America deserved to be attacked. The southern american expressed the same way... Hugo Chavez...? Well, i think they are christians nations..

It is not merely because of religions... but the super powers nation is to arrogant... Feels like they are invisible.. but not.. God is on our side...

Peace..granma.. peace.. -

If Muslims blew up 3,000 innoncent people in WTC, those Muslims deliberately murdered those civilians.

If America killed thousands of civilians in Iraq, it is not because Americans are murderers, but because Americans try to kill those insurgents/army of Saddam Husseein and those civilians were killed because bullets have no "eye".

It means Americans DO NOT DELIBERATELY killed those civilians.

It is a big difference !!

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Hugo Chavez is a "left wing".

He uses anti American sentiments to get sympathy from poor people in his country.

It is politics!!



Besides, I believe it is barbaric if people use "arrogancy" reason to murder other people.

How if some people who are poorer than Muslims in Malaysia or Middle East countries use "arrogancy" excuse to kill those Muslims? Those poor people can say that those rich Muslims are arrogant for whatever reasons.

What do you think about this?

[ponpon]

If Muslims blew up 3,000 innoncent people in WTC, those Muslims deliberately murdered those civilians.

If America killed thousands of civilians in Iraq, it is not because Americans are murderers, but because Americans try to kill those insurgents/army of Saddam Husseein and those civilians were killed because bullets have no "eye".

It means Americans DO NOT DELIBERATELY killed those civilians.

It is a big difference !!

Well grandmama , if i were to go by your rules and logic on how you define murderer, then i can safely say that the muslims terrorists and american soldiers in iraq are basicly the same.

if the american did not deliberately kill iraqi civillians and their action is justified then the same thing can be said for those muslims who destroyed the WTC. They did not intentionally aim at the civillians , they were targetting the US govermnent, but unfortunately many innocent people were caught up in the attack and thus unavoidable ($hit happens ya know ).

if you said bullets are eyeless and it wasn't US government fault for the high iraqi civillian death toll, then you must also agree that the 9/11 muslim terrorists shouldn't be blamed for the death of innocent people either, agree?

If stray bullets or guided bombs are unpredictable then certainly explosion caused by the plane crash is certainly even more unpredictable and uncontrollable, agree? Maybe, the muslims terrorists were already trying to minimize casualties by targetting only important US landmarks otherwise they would have attacked US nuclear reactors when they clearly had the chance.

So simply put, the muslims terrorist who blew up WTC were fighting against the US government like what the US soldiers are doing right now in Iraq (againts the insurgents) but sadly many innocent people are caught up in the cross-fire. So according to your logic , there shouldn't be any difference at all between the muslim terrorists and US soldiers, right?

[Wulandari]

If Muslims blew up 3,000 innoncent people in WTC, those Muslims deliberately murdered those civilians.

If America killed thousands of civilians in Iraq, it is not because Americans are murderers, but because Americans try to kill those insurgents/army of Saddam Husseein and those civilians were killed because bullets have no "eye".

It means Americans DO NOT DELIBERATELY killed those civilians.

It is a big difference !!

Well grandmama , if i were to go by your rules and logic on how you define murderer, then i can safely say that the muslims terrorists and american soldiers in iraq are basicly the same.

if the american did not deliberately kill iraqi civillians and their action is justified then the same thing can be said for those muslims who destroyed the WTC. They did not intentionally aim at the civillians , they were targetting the US govermnent, but unfortunately many innocent people were caught up in the attack and thus unavoidable ($hit happens ya know ).

if you said bullets are eyeless and it wasn't US government fault for the high iraqi civillian death toll, then you must also agree that the 9/11 muslim terrorists shouldn't be blamed for the death of innocent people either, agree?

If stray bullets or guided bombs are unpredictable then certainly explosion caused by the plane crash is certainly even more unpredictable and uncontrollable, agree? Maybe, the muslims terrorists were already trying to minimize casualties by targetting only important US landmarks otherwise they would have attacked US nuclear reactors when they clearly had the chance.

So simply put, the muslims terrorist who blew up WTC were fighting against the US government like what the US soldiers are doing right now in Iraq (againts the insurgents) but sadly many innocent people are caught up in the cross-fire. So according to your logic , there shouldn't be any difference at all between the muslim terrorists and US soldiers, right?

My dear pon pon

I believe those Muslims already knew that people who work in WTC buildings are civilians, not US armies. So, those Muslims DELIBERATELY murdered civilians with cold blood.

I don't believe US armies deliberately kill civilians in Iraq. US has strict laws about killing civilians. No one is above the law. Besides, some US armies who abused Iraq people were put in court and sent to jail.