Still Angry At Japan? Options

[AtlantisStar]

Dumbass atlantisstar is posting 2 off topics, and she say I was being an @$$hole posting off topics. How dlame as hell...

oh comon first time i go off topic because you are, and that makes me the dumb @$$?!

@huaren i'm chinese/japanese, i don't think that makes me a wapanese

[Ogumo]

Hiroki:

Indeed mass weapon production does increase the economy. All the more reason for japan to rearm. As for this.

"i dont know why im having this arguement with this nationalist extremist. i share just as much Chinese blood in me as I do Japanese and would not like to see my two countries at war."

I hardly see tong Bao as a extremist. Atleast he has given me no reason to think that. If anything you should jump down on huaren. I dont know how successful that american missle shield would be. How many missle could it stop at once?

[Hiroki]

Thing is, Huaren is the bigger bigot. However, those are his opinions and I believe he is entitled to them. I am not going to be facist and impress my opinions on him as he likes to do on others. I can understand his blind patriotism so I take a passive mode to his inane anti-japan ramblings.

tongbao on the other hand, likes to make conclusions and speaks of things that he cannot possible back up and is purely based on his conjecture.

Stupid and offensive remarks I can handle provided I can see their point of view, but when they start rambling on basing arguments on pure ignorance; thats when I jump in.

Im not sure I'd agree with you Ogumo on rearmament being good for Japan right now. Her citizens are basically pacifists and Japan would suit her allies more duitifully by providing logistical support rather than direct major involvement in a military engagement.

btw: the American missile sheild will be space, land, sea and air based systems. not just the old SBL of the Reagan STAR WARS era. So here you'll have missile defense on a multitude of tactical scenarios. 100% protection is obviously not possible, but I will assume a 50-60% success rate as per the Patriot defense system of the 2nd Gulf War. With techonological advances in targeting/ballistics and with the stalling of ICBM development under the ABM treaty, this 50-60% value I assumed is quite pessimistic.

http://www.acronym.org.uk/dd/dd56/56bush.htm <- dubya' actual ABM withdrawl speech

http://www.acronym.org.uk/docs/0212/doc06.htm <- dubya's missile defense speech

And here's a friendly little pic showing Japan's missile defense programme.



and the source article...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3334165.stm#graphic

[tongbao_vince]

I thought I mathematically proved that it could and would not pull the two planes into each other? Where is your backup?

I haven't seen your post about that yet. But since you don't give any other explanation, it seems that you believe the pilot wanted to kamakazie into the plane 4 times larger than his own.

Theoretically, if China launched all 400ICBMs at Japan, the JSDF would detect them as they launch. jets will be scrambled, and Chinese military positions will be targeted. Besides, Japan is partner of the Missile sheild that the Americans are producing, success rate may not be 100% but enough should be stopped. As well, China is not far from Japan. Long range Japanese missiles should still be able to cover the distance, if not then missiles from ships will suffice.

If you believe the missle shield will work, then you are only cheating yourself. It is still being developed. China also has ICBM's armed on submarines as a secondary measure.

As opposed to what the media would like you to think, the world is nowhere near the global village or global economy it states it to be. Sure, economic reprocussions will be great and severe, but the lessons learned from the depression of the 1930's have given industrial nations the experience and the foresight to develop measures to prevent a chain reaction of crumbling economies. In wartime, GDP actually increases as the government spends on its own people and funds are moved much more. Just look at figures during the WWII years. War bonds, massive production rates and sanctions against foreign investments mean that capital is generated and spent within their own country.

I was predicting a fictional war between just China and Japan. If both countries fought a conventional war without being invaded, then the situation you mentioned would likely happen. However, I was talking about a fictional nuclear war that would totally destroy the country's population and infastructure that would inhibit its ability to contribute to its own economy. China and Japan are also one of the world's most important economies that the US is closely tied to. I never said that that economic ruin would be on the level of the Great Depression of the 1930's.

i dont know why im having this arguement with this nationalist extremist. i share just as much Chinese blood in me as I do Japanese and would not like to see my two countries at war.

I have never thought myself to be a nationalist extremists nor have I ever been called one until now. If you take a look at my posts in the Japanese section or Chinese section regarding Sino-Japanese ties, I have never preached war or destruction. I have repeatedly hoped for better ties between Japan and China and Ogumo, being the most patriotic Japanese on this board, knows this. What I mentioned above was a theory. Everyone else understood that it was fictional except you. I think you are being too critical because of your bias towards your Japanese side.

[Hiroki]

I haven't seen your post about that yet. But since you don't give any other explanation, it seems that you believe the pilot wanted to kamakazie into the plane 4 times larger than his own.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...opic=4555&st=60

go nuts. i believe the crash occured on pilot error. either on part of the americans or the chinese pilot. its all there.

If you believe the missle shield will work, then you are only cheating yourself. It is still being developed. China also has ICBM's armed on submarines as a secondary measure.

i never said it will work on a 100% success rate. please read what i wrote instead of what you think i wrote.

However, I was talking about a fictional nuclear war that would totally destroy the country's population and infastructure that would inhibit its ability to contribute to its own economy. China and Japan are also one of the world's most important economies that the US is closely tied to. I never said that that economic ruin would be on the level of the Great Depression of the 1930's.

A fictional nuclear war in the scope of what you envision will result in the total annhilation of Japan. There wont be much people left much less of an government infrastructure. So yes, you are correct but this scenario is highly highly unlikely. But then again I dont think I saw the words nuclear war in your original post. ICBM's does not necessarily mean they carry a strategic nuclear warhead. Tactical nukes are damaging yes, but not to the scale of nation-wide annihilation.

What I mentioned above was a theory. Everyone else understood that it was fictional except you. I think you are being too critical because of your bias towards your Japanese side.

yes, but your theories are so unfacilitated and baseless. this just looks like ignorant banter in my eyes. How am I supposed to know it was fictional? Your " but the difference is that China has ICBM's that can win the war without losing a single Chinese soldier." statement in no way whatsoever denotes fiction. And I am in no way biased towards my Japanese side. If you would do a search on my name you would see that. I respond to anti-Japan rhetoric more commonly as there are much fewer Japanese here than Chinese and whenever the Chinese do get bashed, there are more knowledgable and suitable people here of Chinese culture and history to respond.

[Ogumo]

"I respond to anti-Japan rhetoric more commonly as there are much fewer Japanese here than Chinese and whenever the Chinese do get bashed, there are more knowledgable and suitable people here of Chinese culture and history to respond."

Ouch. What are you trying to say hiroki?

[Hiroki]

"I respond to anti-Japan rhetoric more commonly as there are much fewer Japanese here than Chinese and whenever the Chinese do get bashed, there are more knowledgable and suitable people here of Chinese culture and history to respond."

Ouch. What are you trying to say hiroki?

What Im trying to say Ogumo-kun, is that there is alot of anti-Japan rhetoric and relatively few of us Japanese people here on AF. So just like you, I have to be on the defensive about Japan whenever there is a discussion as most of the instigators are severly ignorant. But when China gets bashed, I am incensed to anger like most Chinese but people like Kulong or the dude with the Chinese characters for a name are much more informed and will respond in a more educated manner. So I will hold my tongue as I would like to learn as well.

The idiom "it is better to be thought an idiot than to speak and remove all doubt" is one that I live by.

[Kulong]

I am not happy with the Japanese GOVERNMENT for not being honorable and apologize like the German government has.

I have nothing at all against the current generation of Japanese PEOPLE. I met some really cool ones during my stay in Beijing for my study abroad program at BLCU.