WHY DO HMONG CHRISTIAN PROTRAY SHAMAN SO EVIL?, WHY IS THAT SO BIG OF A PROBLE? Options

[photonicism]

DON'T THE BIBLE TEACH THEM TO ACCEPT ALL DIFFERENCES?

[lilasiankid]

cuz it's the devil's trick (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

[boogie]

The problem is once know a little, claim to know too much. Lack of acceptance, education and flexiblility..

[vanggirlie]

you could be asking the same question as to why homosexuality is not accepted by the church.

[Syco_chinka]

I'm actually a christian and raised as a christian. I really don't mind what religion any one is in. I do see that alot of christian people they detest the ones who are not and stll do the jinglebells heheh. But I strongly feel that people are free to believe what they feel is right for them. With the old religion I believe it's based on asestors that they worship not the devil or anything like that. So I mean, it's really not a bad thing. Every one believes in watz good for them and whatz not. Ne whose does any one agree wi me? HEHEHEHHE

[Romain@LY]

Never heard of that..portraying shaman evil???!!!...But you can say the same thing about why do shamans portray christians dumb?..same thing...it's a vise versa effect.

[yajthaugluv]

Because christians are dumb...the facts speaks for itself, brotha. To convert thinking that we don't have our own spiritual beliefs, I say that's dumb. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2

[DatWonGai]

Just put yourself in their place. I don't mean to criticize christians but a 100% faith in belief of something does make everything else seem bad. "God is my savior." When you have that much faith it's like you want others to not fall into the hands of the devil. Think about it, if not god then who else? In the bible it states something like god should be the only one to show our love to. The else thought of it usually brings us to a fiery image of a red guy holding a pitchfork. (Muah hahahahaha!)

Anyway, in their quest to save others from the "devil" they believe that every other religion is wrong. Sorry if I sound biased but if there really was a god. He/she will be like a mother/father to us all. Mother/father should realize that what we do is up to us as we keep our morals. Shamanism isn't about worshipping the devil, it's about honoring our ancestor's spirits and having the ability to talk to spirits. Only the evil in the hearts of men order spirits to do evil deeds. My family is shaman and we still believe that there is god and only one god.

My point is christians want to "save" those who are not christian and in their beliefs of saving... they have blindly SINNED.

[photonicism]

Just put yourself in their place.  I don't mean to criticize christians but a 100% faith in belief of something does make everything else seem bad.  "God is my savior."  When you have that much faith it's like you want others to not fall into the hands of the devil.  Think about it, if not god then who else?  In the bible it states something like god should be the only one to show our love to.  The else thought of it usually brings us to a fiery image of a red guy holding a pitchfork.  (Muah hahahahaha!)

Anyway, in their quest to save others from the "devil" they believe that every other religion is wrong.  Sorry if I sound biased but if there really was a god.  He/she will be like a mother/father to us all.  Mother/father should realize that what we do is up to us as we keep our morals.  Shamanism isn't about worshipping the devil, it's about honoring our ancestor's spirits and having the ability to talk to spirits.  Only the evil in the hearts of men order spirits to do evil deeds.  My family is shaman and we still believe that there is god and only one god.

My point is christians want to "save" those who are not christian and in their beliefs of saving... they have blindly SINNED.

for once that was well said

[caterina_xc]

they just hate hmong ppls for NOT believing in GOD... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2

[Donovan]

What's a Shamanism...?

[photonicism]

What's a Shamanism...?

in my opinion it is not really a religion but more of a cultural practice not religion...

[Donovan]

What's a Shamanism...?

in my opinion it is not really a religion but more of a cultural practice not religion...

Do you guys believe in this stuff....?

[vintage]

Hmong Christians are overly believing it. They even said they can't eat raw meat where in the bible, there's not even any thing about not being able to eat meat. I'm guessing those portraying shamnism as a bad thing doesnt' know much about Christianity

[DaGreenDude]

I was also raised as a christine and never portrayed any shaman as evil, most of my friends are also shamans. I never she it where i go either, maybe its just some people, but yeah i do see christine people try to "convert" other hmong people into christine but i don't think its because they think that they're dumb.

But for me personally, any sort of religion isn't really true weather its christine, shamanism, or any other religion. I think that its just there so that people would be good and not act so bad. If you really read the bible, its says something like if a lady is on her period, she can't leave her house, and if she does the man must walk 5 steps in front of her ringing a bell yelling unclean to let the world know that she's on her period. But you don't she that happening today, theres alot of thing in the bible that is quite strange, but your suppose to follow it, supposelly if your a christine. So all you christine ladies, get a bell ready.

[white_tiger]

have you niggas seen KINGDOM OF HEAVEN staring orlando bloom. the movie is about christiananity and muslims killing each other...the movie focuses on how your faith or religion gives you the strength to kill, in other words, GOD gives people strength to kill other people who dont believe in christ. and the movie talks bout how christianity was MOST SUPERIOR...but unfortunatly at the end of the movie, the muslin army annilated the christian army and took over jerusalem......my point...I fu-kEN HATE CHRISTIANANITY!!, WHERE WAS GOD WHEN THE HALOCOUST WIPED OUT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF JEWS, WHERE WAS HE DURING RWANDA, WHERE WAS HE DURING 9'11, god is a psycological means to premote good in person. thats it. the end. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)

[riceygirl]

my fahter's a shaman, and i myself do believe in the "old" religion...it's not like we worship the devil or anything..we still hold some of the same values like christians do...like not killing people or whatever..it pisses me off when a person thinks their religion is the ONLY religion that should be followed and revered..i mean everyone is unique...and well..yeah.....some christains are VERY closed-minded indeed!! i don't mean to sound like a christain hater or anything...i have friends who are christians...but i do respect their religion and would just like to have the same respect for my religion too...

so many people have asked me this question before.."does it really work?"

my answer is that the religious rituals or ceremonies really do work...i mean it really does..it's not bull $hit like some christians think it is!!!

it jsut pisses me off when some christians are soo freakin arrogant about Christ...i'm not saying that it's bad or anything like that..but just to keep the eccentricity down a little bit....

Shamanism is quite an interesting religion or practice just as buddhism or muslim OR christianity is...

100% Shamanism *^^*

[HlubKojIbleeg1]

[quote=Donovan,Nov 30 2005, 12:23 PM]
in my opinion it is not really a religion but more of a cultural practice not religion...

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Do you guys believe in this stuff....?

[/quote]

Do Christians believe in God? Or all that Noah's Ark and Jesus stuff? Of course Hmong people believe in thier religion otherwise we would all be Christians, Catholics, and Mormons...Anyways, it doesn't matter what people say, religion is religion, who cares what that person or this person believes in, as long as they have a belief.

[DatWonGai]

To believe and to know are 2 different things.

For a fact, we do not know that god exists but we believe it. With every belief comes a risk to take. Miracles and curses... you hear about them but do you know for sure that they're real. Some things are hard to believe but they are real. Just because your eyes and your ears can't see or hear... it doesn't mean there's nothing there. Demons and angels... all those crap you hear about and you still don't believe, it doesn't mean that they're not real.

The Hmong religion and Christianity are no different from each other in beliefs. We all believe in god, or in our words (roughly translated) leader of the heavens. We hear about our ancestors that tells stories of spirits and monsters... and heck even bigfoot. It's not so different when Christians talk about demons and angels. Even the devil (the leader of the underworld or hell) has its own place in our stories. The only difference is that in our practice in Shamanism we look towards the spirits for help. In Christianity, they ask the all mighty lord, god, for help. And when we Hmong refer to as sky we mean the heavens. (Where god is.) I have no point for this paragraph but just to clear up some understandings.

There are those who shame the name of god with violence... I'm still not getting it to my head why that is. Though, I believe in god and spirits also... I believe most that the outcome of our decisions is within our souls. We decide to do good or bad, it is not for god to decide for us. We do not own god so we can't look up as though we carry him/her as our property. We look to god for help and for guidance, but for whatever reason of good or evil... it's still the person's choice and not god's. If god is truly evil and good, it's important that we stand up against the evil and promote the good. Yes, I will fight god if I have to.

Sorry if this is too long, got carried away.

[neena]

wow, there are a lot of christain haters in here. i'm a shamanist, btw, so don't trash me. anyways, i don't know what to say. honestly both sides hate each other. i seen hmong christains hate on hmong shamanists and i've seen hmong shamanists hate on hmong christains...the only thing i can say is...hmong don't like unity.