Mongol Invasion Of India ? Options

[tqt]

Could any Indian member let me know something about the Mongol invasions of India and how the Indian were able to resist 6 Mongol invasions?

[Hirschfanger]

Well the Mughals pretty much were mongols so they took over when Babar invaded. (this was the last invasion)

[tqt]

Well the Mughals pretty much were mongols so they took over when Babar invaded. (this was the last invasion)

I'm talking about the Mongol invasions of India between 1297 to 1308. I believe the Moguls came about in the 1500's right? Could Damo confirm this?

[dalawapo]

Well the Mughals pretty much were mongols so they took over when Babar invaded. (this was the last invasion)

lol Babar?

[Hirschfanger]

Yeah the elephant stuff was named by some storyteller that didn't know his/her history only the name.

You know maybe the plague kept them out. I think it was hitting Asia around then.

[dalawapo]

Yeah the elephant stuff was named by some storyteller that didn't know his/her history only the name.

You know maybe the plague kept them out. I think it was hitting Asia around then.

even so, watching babar was one of my favorite pasttimes growing up. if only it had been more historically accurate i might be more knowledeable about indian history today.

[Kulong]

Yeah the elephant stuff was named by some storyteller that didn't know his/her history only the name.

You know maybe the plague kept them out. I think it was hitting Asia around then.

There was a special program on the History Channel a while back called "Barbarians". It talked about four ancient "barbarian" groups who defeated major "civilized" empires. One of them was the Mongols. It was quite accurate except for the fact that all the actors who played Mongols were Caucasians with blonde hair and blue eyes. I don't know if it's because History Channel wishes to rewrite history or they simply couldn't find hundreds of Asian actors (which I doubt). Anyway, they talked about Mongol's invasion of India and it failed mostly because India was well-protected by mountains. Mongols were mostly light calvaries. It was difficult for them to ride up the mountains and many died on the way.

[DAI_VIET]

Yeah the elephant stuff was named by some storyteller that didn't know his/her history only the name.

You know maybe the plague kept them out. I think it was hitting Asia around then.

There was a special program on the History Channel a while back called "Barbarians". It talked about four ancient "barbarian" groups who defeated major "civilized" empires. One of them was the Mongols. It was quite accurate except for the fact that all the actors who played Mongols were Caucasians with blonde hair and blue eyes. I don't know if it's because History Channel wishes to rewrite history or they simply couldn't find hundreds of Asian actors (which I doubt). Anyway, they talked about Mongol's invasion of India and it failed mostly because India was well-protected by mountains. Mongols were mostly light calvaries. It was difficult for them to ride up the mountains and many died on the way.

Yeah, I saw that series, too.

[DaMo]

It was quite accurate except for the fact that all the actors who played Mongols were Caucasians with blonde hair and blue eyes.

Every single one of them was blonde and blue eyed? What are the chances (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/sure.gif)

All four parts of the series were shot in Lithuania, by the way. Surely it's difficult to find Mongoloid-looking actors there.

[tqt]

all the actors who played Mongols were Caucasians with blonde hair and blue eyes

They probably filmed this series based on historical sources. Most of the soldiers in the Mongols armies were Kipchak Turk and the Kipchak Turk has blue eyes and yellow hair so it's reasonable to chose white actors to play.

Many of you doubt that the soldiers of the Mongol armies had the Nordic look but think about it, why would the Mongols want to degrade their accomplishment by claiming that their warriors of their armies were indeed non-Mongol?

[Kulong]

all the actors who played Mongols were Caucasians with blonde hair and blue eyes

They probably filmed this series based on historical sources. Most of the soldiers in the Mongols armies were Kipchak Turk and the Kipchak Turk has blue eyes and yellow hair so it's reasonable to chose white actors to play.

Many of you doubt that the soldiers of the Mongol armies had the Nordic look but think about it, why would the Mongols want to degrade their accomplishment by claiming that their warriors of their armies were indeed non-Mongol?

I wouldn't have minded if there were one or two actors who played Mongols had blonde hair and blue eyes... but ALL of them did, even when they showed the "original Mongols" and even both Genghis Khan and his mother.

[tqt]

I wouldn't have minded if there were one or two actors who played Mongols had blonde hair and blue eyes... but ALL of them did, even when they showed the "original Mongols" and even both Genghis Khan and his mother.

According to history sources, around 1/2 to 2/3 of the Mongol armies were made up of Nordic-looking warriors and the rest were Mongoloid-looking.

About the show having Nordic-looking actors, i think it's because of conviences only. I think the producers didn't want to spend much money for the sake of hiring Mongoloid-looking actors who might be distant away for a show that won't get much revenues.

[Kulong]

About the show having Nordic-looking actors, i think it's because of conviences only. I think the producers didn't want to spend much money for the sake of hiring Mongoloid-looking actors who might be distant away for a show that won't get much revenues.

So instead, the History Channel falsely rewrites history... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/sure.gif)

[tqt]

About the show having Nordic-looking actors, i think it's because of conviences only.  I think the producers didn't want to spend much money for the sake of hiring Mongoloid-looking actors who might be distant away for a show that won't get much revenues.

So instead, the History Channel falsely rewrites history... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/sure.gif)

But most of the Mongol armies were made up of Nordic-looking warriors. The History Channel knows this pretty well.

[DaMo]

But most of the Mongol armies were made up of Nordic-looking warriors.

The mercenary recruits and conscripts from their conquests in Eastern Europe and Central Asia were Nordic-looking to the extent that Nordics were present in their societies, but the Mongols who came from Mongolia and East Asia were Mongoloid-looking, not Nordic-looking. However, the History channel, due to a (marginally forgiveable) lack of Mongolian extras, made it look like the source and core of the Mongol army was made up of Lithuanian Nordic types, which is far from the truth.

[Kulong]

But most of the Mongol armies were made up of Nordic-looking warriors.

The mercenary recruits and conscripts from their conquests in Eastern Europe and Central Asia were Nordic-looking to the extent that Nordics were present in their societies, but the Mongols who came from Mongolia and East Asia were Mongoloid-looking, not Nordic-looking. However, the History channel, due to a (marginally forgiveable) lack of Mongolian extras, made it look like the source and core of the Mongol army was made up of Lithuanian Nordic types, which is far from the truth.

Exactly. They could've easily displayed a brief disclaimer or some type of message indicating that Mongols aren't really Caucasians with blonde hair and blue eyes. Instead, the History Channel decided to maniuplate the truth.

[tqt]

DaMo,

Could you talk a little bit about the 6 Mongol invasions of your country but failed?

[DaMo]

DaMo,

Could you talk a little bit about the 6 Mongol invasions of your country but failed?

I'm not aware of "six failed" Mongol invasions in particular. Although, to my knowledge, Mongols and Central Asians did often attempt to invade India, and often succeeded to some extent.

Genghis Khan first conquered the Indus Valley in 1221. Tamerlane (Timur) invded Northern India and sacked Delhi in 1398, but he was born in Central Asia. Even though he claimed descent from Genghis Khan, he was more Turkic than original Mongol. Still, he is often regarded as a Mongol. Babur, the founder of the Mughal empire, also claimed descent from Genghis Khan, and from Timur too, but he too was very likely a Turkic, probably mixed with other Central Asian nationalities. I don't really regard the Mughals as being Mongols per se.

[Hirschfanger]

I wouldnt count Mughals either but they technically are.

Boy German were mercenaries for everyone from the Romans prior to AD against the Romans by other groups 700AD on up to 1776 with the hired by the Brits.

Don't worry about people feeling mongols are whities. Most people think of them as being hulking asians.

[DaMo]

I wouldnt count Mughals either but they technically are.

In namesake only, and with a very distant familial relationship to the original Mongolian Mongols. Then again, the term Mongol has taken on a very broad definition.

This post has been edited by DaMo: Apr 2 2004, 07:51 PM