N.korea Vs S.korea Options

[YManchun]

Scenario: The u.s. pulls out all their troops from s.korea, Kim Jong Il seeing his opportunity, orders his troops to invade the south.

Without outside interferance who would win? Thou armorcaptain may disagree with me, I believe the south would win. Why?

N.Korean tanks far outnumber south korea's inventory.

S.Korea-2400

N.Korea-3500


The n.korean T-64 tanks are comparable to south korea's modified M47 and M48 tanks but are inferior to the K1/K1A1 tanks who are equipped with Chobhm armor and 90% accuracy rate. Not to mention we have 30 T-80U tanks shipped in from russia which are still better then any of n.korea's, except maybe for their M-2002 tanks, if it exists. But I doubt their existance.

The K series tanks with the newest SABOT rounds for the 105 mm rifled cannon could penetrate 540mm of armor at 1-1.5 km. The FCS is also top-of-the line. One shot one kill policy.


The N.Korea artillery force is overrated. It wouldn't do half the damage it was claimed to do. The ROK forces have 1000 M109A2 SPH and 500 K9 SPH. The K9 SPH was rated the second best in the world after the german Pzh2000, also we have 40 M270 MLRS platform. Not to mention thousands of towed artillery. The N.Korean ammunitions are tipped with chemicals and biological agents, but again our troops are well-prepared for this kind of attack. Every division in the ROK army has a NBC fighting capability on all our force structure, and we have short-range ballistic missle equipped with chem./bio. weapons that could saturate n.korean artillery positions.

Air Force. No contest, the n.korean air force is the most-poorly trained branch in their military. They perform only 20 hrs of flight a year compared to south korea's 180 hrs of combat flight.


N.Korean special ops. are tough bastards, they're also the largest in the world (70,000-100,000 men). But without modern technology they wouldn't be much of a threat. The problem with n.korean spetnaz is that they have to find a way to drop behind enemy lines, either by air or by sea. Whoever commands the air and sea (mostly likely south korea), would have special forces in enemy territory.


The war would be take heavy toll of course, but in the end we would eventually win. The only problem now would be occupying enemy territory, as I mentioned before the n.korean spetnaz are tough soldiers and they are mostly likely to be the most loyal troops too. When we get command of their territory they would go guerilla warfare against our troops.


Discuss


EDIT-

Just a little edit for the scenario. NO NUKES.

This post has been edited by YManchun: Apr 14 2004, 04:54 PM

[Kulong]

Who I would want to win: South Korea

Who I think would actually win: North Korea

We've learned from the Chinese civil war of 1949, among many other battles and wars, that having more and better military equipment does not equal victory. It's the people's will to fight that truly matters.

South Korea is a relatively wealthy state, and extremely wealthy when compared to North Korea. Most South Koreans lead good lives while most North Koreans can't even get three meals a day, if any at all.

South Koreans have MUCH to lose, North Koreans don't really have much to lose.

Most South Koreans have rational, capitalistic mindsets while most North Koreans tend to think of their "dear leader" almost as a religious icon.

[happydays]

Naw...The Southerners would definitly win. here's why:

1. China would help the south this time...and probably Russia (who knows).

2. American missles can travel over-seas now.

Although I would have to admit that the North Koreans are more pugnacious and driven to win...But I think the missles from America would win out.

I think the Americans have been looking for ways of ending the dictatorship in that country for awhile now.

It'll be interesting to have a video game called "Koreans: the North Vs. the South." Heck, I would buy that just to kick some oppressive-dictator butt! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)

[Kulong]

1. China would help the south this time...and probably Russia (who knows).

2. American missles can travel over-seas now.

But YManchun specifically said...

Without outside interferance who would win?

[YManchun]

Yes, yes the n.koreans have greater fighting spirit from all this political indoctrination. But their forces are hallow, it only looks good on paper.

Remember Iraq. They had lots of combat experiance, one of the largest armies, and poured more money into the military then most countries in the world. But then the Gulf War came and the u.s. crushed them in a month.

Afghansitan. The taliban had greater fighting spirit I'm sure, but they got crushed too.


In this day and age quality of the equipment is most important. Plus our marines (second largest marine corp) and the Capital Corp has just as much fighting spirit as the n.koreans. Given proper support a Mechanized Infantry division would wipe out a NK mechanized corp or Tank corp.

Numerically the NK outnumbers SK positions. But the numbers they would pour in is limited to korea's terrain. There is few routes in korea that could hold massive armored and mechanized formations (which is why ROK didn't form a tank division and prepared for these manuever routes, luckily the n.korean leaders weren't as smart). ROK firepower would edge after a few days then counterattack a n.korean assualt.



Anyways, how the media portrays NK as always outnumbering SK is complete bull$hit. It is true that NK outnumbers SK both in active-duty strength and reserves, but south korea has a larger available manpower then the noth.

south korea conscript people from a population of 44 million.

north korea can only consript people from a population of 22 million. The north only currently has larger forces because their term is 13.5 years.


Not to mention south korea has better mobilization then the north. For every tank, plane, and ships they kill we would be able to replace them a lot faster then the north can replace theirs because of the lack of industry.

[Kulong]

Yes, yes the n.koreans have greater fighting spirit from all this political indoctrination. But their forces are hallow, it only looks good on paper.

Remember Iraq. They had lots of combat experiance, one of the largest armies, and poured more money into the military then most countries in the world. But then the Gulf War came and the u.s. crushed them in a month.

Afghansitan. The taliban had greater fighting spirit I'm sure, but they got crushed too.

You can't compare U.S. and Iraqi or Afghani military forces... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/sure.gif)

Although South Korean military forces is superior to those of North Korean, but their gap is much smaller than those of U.S. and Iraqi or Afghani... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif)

U.S. was able to invade Iraq and Afghanistan because U.S. was the invading force. It would be nearly impossible for Iraq or Afghanistan to send forces to U.S. soil. North Korea, on the other hand, only have to hop over the border and they're in South Korea.

I'm not saying it would be an easy win for North Korea, but in the end, I believe NK would win.

Keep in mind, I've stated that I would like to have South Korea win instead.

Also, let's keep calm and rational. You asked the question of South Korea vs. North Korea, not a non-Korean (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif)

[YManchun]

In the first gulf war Iraq was a real threat to the u.s. military. They had one of the largest armies at the time (I believe the fourth) and the best air defense. Their were better-equipped then the n.koreans, the iraqi military had T-72 tanks NK have T-64 tanks. And I don't think they do have a T-90 copycat as the rumor says.

The N.Korean equipment is worse off then the iraqis. They will lose in a conventional war, but they would be a big threat in unconventional warfare. They have bunkers that are digged so deep that even a bunkerbuster couldn't penetrate it (maybe nuclear bunkerbusters would but it is still in developement the last time I checked). And their spetnaz and guerilla fighters are well-trained.

South Korea would win in a diffucult war, but it would be a one hell of a mess to clean up.

Also, let's keep calm and rational. You asked the question of South Korea vs. North Korea, not a non-Korean 

I was being civil, if I didn't sound it then I apologize. It wasn't my intent.

And what do you mean non-Korean? We were talking about korea the whole time.

[Hiroki]

You cant say that the US invading force of Afghanistan wasnt motivated to fight. They had the events of September 11th fresh in their minds and revenge was etched in their hearts. They WERE going to take down the Taliban.

[Kulong]

And what do you mean non-Korean? We were talking about korea the whole time.

I said that this thread, "NK vs. SK" was started by a Korean (you), and NOT a non-Korea who just wants to stir up trouble for Korean members on AF. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[YManchun]

You cant say that the US invading force of Afghanistan wasnt motivated to fight.

I just said that the taliban had a greater figting spirit, I didn't say the americans had no motivation.

This time I wasn't talking korea for this post.

This post has been edited by YManchun: Apr 5 2004, 05:05 PM

[Nam Quoc Son Ha]

South Korea would win, but Seoul would be flattened. Also, providing that the North doesn't have any nukes. Even if they do, they're more likely to use it against Japan than their fellow southern brethren.

[Hiroki]

South Korea would win, but Seoul would be flattened. Also, providing that the North doesn't have any nukes. Even if they do, they're more likely to use it against Japan than their fellow southern brethren.

How the hell did Japan get dragged into this?

The original scenario was NK vs SK. Besides, Comrade Kim has his people hating on the S. Koreans for their 'decadence' and their deviation from the proper communist way. So if they had nukes, Im sure they'd use them on S.Koreans just as willingly.

[Schutzstaffel]

who would win? They will both eventually lose the war. korea the whole peninsula would get compltely wasted, and north korea's nuke would decimate south korea. japan would surely don't want to involve in another country's civil war, or their island would turn into a sea of fire.

I would say, let those idiots kill eachother if the war begin.

[Kulong]

who would win? They will both eventually lose the war. korea the whole peninsula would get compltely wasted, and north korea's nuke would decimate south korea. japan would surely don't want to involve in another country's civil war, or their island would turn into a sea of fire.

I would say, let those idiots kill eachother if the war begin.

Hey look guys! The Nazi is back! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Rad Raz]

OMG! you nazis are awesome!! I wannabe Nazi!

[kpjoon]

It'll be interesting to have a video game called "Koreans: the North Vs. the South." Heck, I would buy that just to kick some oppressive-dictator butt! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)

hahahah I totally agree.

[Rad Raz]

There's already PC strategy game call Korea: The Forgotten Conflict

[Ogumo]

South Korea would win, but Seoul would be flattened. Also, providing that the North doesn't have any nukes. Even if they do, they're more likely to use it against Japan than their fellow southern brethren.

Exactly why north korea must go.

[kpjoon]

I hope North Korea will be gone by the time i'm old. I want to see a unified Korea.

[IORI]

N koreans tend to focus more on quantity rather than quality unfortunately for them they have outdated military doctrines buut they still have ballistic missile threats such as the taepodong and nodong systems.

But in general S korea has superiour technology and has aquired many military doctrines from the US which are much more modernised and advanced.

Who would win?

most probaly S korea

and oh yeah i bet u any money that in the event of war there would be many N korean deserters.