King Setthathirat Options

[prahok]

does anybody know any facts about him.. i also want to know if he was a thai puppet..thanks

[NumIsan]

In no way was King Sethathirath a thai puppet.

When the the Burmese captured all the surrounding kingdoms their kings all bowed down to the King of Kings of Hongsa(Burmese kingdom). But not King Sethathirath. He continued to say he was the King. He later kicked the Burmese out of his Kingdom.

He was king of both Lanxang and Lanna.

[prahok]

i see.. do you have any links where i can read about him? he was very aggressive towards cambodia.. he invaded and tried to conquer cambodia twice.. i thought he was a thai puppet cuz he tried to conquer cambodia and after his death..the thai army invaded cambodia in retaliation and pillaged udong..

[NumIsan]

I'm sorry. No links. i just wrote off the top of my head. Haha I didn't know he tried to conquer the Cambodia TWICE! Man, the Khmers just never got a break. I feel for you guys. Haha

[prahok]

haha..but he failed twice miserably.. this was at a time cambodia was really weak..setthathirat was killed during the 2nd invasion of cambodia.. most of his men were slaughtered and drowned in the mekong river..

i didnt even know cambodia had a war with laos back then.. the territories laos gained earlier was due to the help of the khmer army.. lan xang and angkor had good relations until the reign of king setthathirat..

War with Larncharng

It was at this moment that Cambodia's attention was turned for some time towards Larncharng (Laos), when King Setthatirat launched two attacks against Cambodia.

King Setthatirat son-in-law of King Mah Chakrapat by marriage with Princess Tepkasatri, daugther of the famous Queen Suriyotai who died in 1555 helping her husband fight the Burmese, sent an elephant of enormous size with two ambassadors and 1000 men to Cambodia, challenging Borom Reachea to find an elephant to fight his. The defeat would mean that Cambodia would have to acknowledge Lao suzerainty. He was so sure of victory since there could be no elephant that size ever to be found again. The Cambodian elephant was two cubics shorter, but it did put the Lao elephant to fight. Borom Reachea kept both elephants and the 1000 Lao escorters as slaves and sent back the two mandarins alone to announce his victory. Setthatirat could not lose face. He at once invaded Cambodia by land and boat. 50,000 of his men descended the Mekong River and 70,000 men by land in 1570. The first army met Sattha, Borom Reachea's son, at Srey Santhor and was defeated. The second army was met by the King in person at Phnom Sonthok and was routed. King Setthatirat was not baffled by this. He invaded Cambodia again in 1573 with 20,000 men and met the Cambodians north of Phnom Penh. This time Setthatirat lost his life, and most of his men heavily butchered or drowned in the river.

This post has been edited by prahok: Jan 5 2006, 11:59 PM

[Sipsongpana]

First time 120,000 men and second time only 20,000? What was he thinking? LOL

I'm wondering whether he messed around with Dai Viet during this time.

[Me_Myself_And_I]

King Setthathirat was probably an ally of Ayutthaya. I think this was a time when Lan Xang and Siam were still good friends. The bad blood between two countries started with the whole Chao Anou/ Rama III era...

[prahok]

i want to read the war lan xang had with hongsa..the burmese kingdom..

[prahok]

i found this.. funny, in this link it said he disappeared haha.. not the same as the khmer account..

Briefly in the mid-16th century, the kingdom of Lan Na, centered on Chiang Mai in northern Thailand, was absorbed into Lan Xang. But the Lan Xang king at the time, Xetthathirat, was renowned more for his valiant defiance of the Burmese than for ruling Lan Na. Twice during Xetthathirat’s reign, Burmese armies ravaged Lan Xang, and twice they were driven from Lao soil. Xetthathirat moved the Lao capital south to Vientiane, a site more defensible than Louangphrabang and more central, for by this time Lao settlers had migrated into southern Laos (Champasak) and across the Khorat Plateau into what is now northeastern Thailand. Xetthathirat beautified his capital by building the great That Luang stupa and a temple to house his own favorite Buddha image, the Emerald Buddha. At the height of his power, however, Xetthathirat went too far in his military ambitions. He invaded Cambodia and disappeared when his army was routed. In the ensuing anarchy, Laos fell to the Burmese.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761551958_8/Laos.html

why do some sources say setthathirat disappeared after he invaded cambodia and not killed? did he really just disappeared??

In 1571 King Setthathirat disappeared when coming back after his invasion into Cambodia. Lan Xang delined rapidly without a leader, the kingdom was attacked constantly by the Burmese.

http://paradissa.com/laos/history.htm

found this also..i guess he was an ally of ayutthaya..

Setthathirat married a princess from Ayutthaya (Thailand) and formed a political alliance with the Thai against their common enemy, Burma. During a Burmese invasion in about 1565, Setthathirat's military strategy preserved the autonomy of his kingdom. Still regarded by the Lao as a national hero, Setthathirat is a central figure in the spiritual cult of some mountain peoples in southern Laos.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9066923

This post has been edited by prahok: Jan 6 2006, 02:34 AM

[prahok]

something isnt right.. a lot of sources say he died in 1571.. but from a khmer account, it said he invaded cambodia again in 1573 and was killed.. i think from the lao account, they didnt know he invaded cambodia twice.. maybe thats why he came back with only 20,000 men.. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/confused.gif) or maybe khmer people bust some black magic on him (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/confused.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/confused.gif)

This post has been edited by prahok: Jan 6 2006, 02:45 AM

[Sirikittong]

Hmmm...yes it was a sad loss to have his armies routed by the khambujian army. The general of the khmer kingdom must have been an able military man to have sustained such blows, yet survived the lan xang onslaught. However, not strong enough to survive the army of Ayudhaya, which conquored Khambujia completely. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/sure.gif)

This post has been edited by Sirikittong: Jan 6 2006, 08:56 AM

[Vince]

King Setthatirat son-in-law of King Mah Chakrapat by marriage with Princess Tepkasatri, daugther of the famous Queen Suriyotai who died in 1555 helping her husband fight the Burmese

I don't think King Setthatirat ever got to marry Queen Suriyotai's daughter. The marriage was prevented by Phisanulok's governer who sided with the Burmese. If you watch the movie "Suriyothai" you might get some hints that Phisanulok's governor (Maha Thammaracha) won't stay loyal to Ayutthaya after the queen's death.

However, Lan Xang and Ayutthaya did try to ally against the Burmese agression in the mid 15th century. But it wasn't so successful. Eventually both kingdoms fell to the Burmese (and so did Mon Hongsawadi, Shan states, and Lanna).

[Viesnabotkampuji...]

Hmmm...yes it was a sad loss to have his armies routed by the khambujian army. The general of the khmer kingdom must have been an able military man to have sustained such blows, yet survived the lan xang onslaught. However, not strong enough to survive the army of Ayudhaya, which conquored Khambujia completely. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/sure.gif)

(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif) eye! This one! your talking is as fat as your physical figure. I wondered if your $hit is as big as an elephant $hit.

This post has been edited by Viesnabotkampujia: Jan 6 2006, 11:25 AM

[Sipsongpana]

Hongsawadi was the ruler of the Mons?

[Vince]

Hongsawadi was the ruler of the Mons?

Hongsawadi (or Hamsavati in Pali) was a Mon capital in lower Burma. It was the center of Mon civilization until the Burmese conquered it in mid 15th century and made it capital of their kingdom.

The Mon revolted in 18th centery and was free for a couple of years until the Burmese burnt down the whole city into ashes.

A new city was rebuilt some time later. Today it's known as Pegu (or Bago).

[Sipsongpana]

I watched the Legend of Suriyothai; so the guy who invaded Ayuthaya was a Mon ruler? Hmmm

[prahok]

I watched the Legend of Suriyothai; so the guy who invaded Ayuthaya was a Mon ruler? Hmmm

are you slow? he said the burmese conquered the mon capital in the 15th century.. so it was a burmese ruler that invaded ayuthaya not the mon..

[Sipsongpana]

Then who invaded Ayuthaya in the late 16th century?

[prahok]

I don't think King Setthatirat ever got to marry Queen Suriyotai's daughter. The marriage was prevented by Phisanulok's governer who sided with the Burmese. If you watch the movie "Suriyothai" you might get some hints that Phisanulok's governor (Maha Thammaracha) won't stay loyal to Ayutthaya after the queen's death.

However, Lan Xang and Ayutthaya did try to ally against the Burmese agression in the mid 15th century. But it wasn't so successful. Eventually both kingdoms fell to the Burmese (and so did Mon Hongsawadi, Shan states, and Lanna).

are you sure? in another source, it said he did.. maybe the movie Suriyothai isnt as accurate as the stuff written down in books..

Setthathirat married a princess from Ayutthaya (Thailand) and formed a political alliance with the Thai against their common enemy, Burma. During a Burmese invasion in about 1565, Setthathirat's military strategy preserved the autonomy of his kingdom. Still regarded by the Lao as a national hero, Setthathirat is a central figure in the spiritual cult of some mountain peoples in southern Laos.

[NumIsan]

(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif) eye! This one! your talking is as fat as your physical figure. I wondered if your $hit is as big as an elephant $hit.

LMAO