Ethnic Malay population composition is rising Options

[YouStink]

A few years back I read that the Malay population was approx. 45% but a recent source states that it is now 60%. Is this true? Could any Malaysian clarify this? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[johnleemk]

There hasn't been a census since 2000, so any official statistics would be a bit out of date. It's probably best to clarify what statistics you're getting, though - IIRC ['b]Bumiputra[/b] (which includes the Malays, Kadazan, Dayak, etc.) number around 60%, while the Malays are a bit smaller because they are a subset of the Bumiputra. It would not be surprising if both your figures are correct.

Recently Iron Malayan said around 12 million Malaysians are Malay. As Malaysia's population is estimated to be about 24 or 25 million, this would put them at about 50% of the population, not too far away from your 45% figure.

[tengkuafif]

A few years back I read that the Malay population was approx. 45% but a recent source states that it is now 60%. Is this true? Could any Malaysian clarify this?  (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Hooray!!!

[YouStink]

One thing that is certain is that the percentage of ethnic Chinese in Malaysia is decreasing, mostly due to lower birth rate (associated with being relatively more well off) and external migration. Many of my friends are Malaysian Chinese who has emigrated from Malaysia due to the discrimination. Even my former chemistry teacher was a Chinese and she told me the future for ethnic Chinese is not very bright due to the discrimination. She then went on about how Malaysia's wealth is largely thanks to Chinese entrepreneurialship and hardworking, but they are not being marginalized. I mostly agree with what she said.

[conana]

I know I moved to USA cuz of discrimination :P The ratio of "malay" is rising probably due to other races moving out of the country, for what reason? I don't know =) Kind of obvious though

[YouStink]

I didn't think it could rise that fast though (or maybe due to statistical discrepancy). If the current trend is to continue, Malaysia will be 70-80% ethnic Malay in 20-40 years.

[guanodemo]

I've been in UK for 6 years now and have met lot n lots of chinese malaysian living here and not planing to go back, and from the news that i read Malaysian is the 4th largest people applying for assylum seeker here in UK. thats about 30-40,000 and most of them Malaysian Chinese. methinks!! that why thier population decreesing back home.

cheers..... mate

[kimyee73]

Malaysian Chinese has lower birth rate also partly due to economic reason. We, the not so rich one, has to pay for everything, especially education, to ensure our kids future. So can't afford to have too many kids mah! On the other hand, my Malay colleagues have at least 3 kids and going for 5 to follow the call of our former PM, Tun M. They do not have to worry a bit since all the educations being paid for by the government. Over several decades, you'll see the Malays will be 70%-80% of the populations and the government will say there are still too many poor Malays and need to continue with whatever future version on the NEP. This cycle will never end until maybe 99% of the populations are the Malays and the government will still be wondering what went wrong and blame on the 0.5% of Chinese holding 5% of Malaysian economy.

[Iron Malayan]

She then went on about how Malaysia's wealth is largely thanks to Chinese entrepreneurialship and hardworking, but they are not being marginalized. I mostly agree with what she said.

Umm, what exactly have the Chinese contributed to Malaysia ?

I really would like to know !!

[tengkuafif]

Malaysian Chinese has lower birth rate also partly due to economic reason. We, the not so rich one, has to pay for everything, especially education, to ensure our kids future. So can't afford to have too many kids mah! On the other hand, my Malay colleagues have at least 3 kids and going for 5 to follow the call of our former PM, Tun M. They do not have to worry a bit since all the educations being paid for by the government. Over several decades, you'll see the Malays will be 70%-80% of the populations and the government will say there are still too many poor Malays and need to continue with whatever future version on the NEP. This cycle will never end until maybe 99% of the populations are the Malays and the government will still be wondering what went wrong and blame on the 0.5% of Chinese holding 5% of Malaysian economy.

Tell me which country offer free education at university-level.
By the way, I think you guys are the luckiest ethnic minority in the world and you guys still don't feel grateful about that. What else do you want?

[Hi Tone]

My sisters's husband is chinese malaysian and always takes his vacation back to malaysia and singapore.

[malaccan]

I came across these set of figures too. The 45% was for the actual Malay population, the 60% was plus other bumiputeras.

Malays are not a migrant people. But we do 'merantau'. The vast majority of Malaysian British Overseas citizens (BOC) from Malacca and Penang who eventually did make UK home are Chinese-Malaysians and Indian-Malaysians. Right after independence and through to the 70s when the NEP came into being, it was always the non-Malays who chose to migrate abroad in far greater numbers than the Malays. Whereas for Malays, Malaysia, Tanah Melayu is home, with a capital H. My mom could've been an American citizen (she was a student in the states in the 60s) and a British citizen by way of her BOC birth, and yet she steadfastly chose to remain a Malaysian citizen.

[Protoculture]

There are many reasons why Msian Chinese emigrated overseas. But to be exact, only the wealthiest would emigrate abroad due to perceive 'discrimination' policies.

These emigres, thinks that the West offers the best for their future generations. They're right mostly, to a certain extent. Given that currently anti-Asian lobbyists are gaining ground & garner more supports from all levels in virtually every European nations & USA, it'll time when these emigres shall find their so-call freedom will be curtailed in whichever forms deems by EU or US necessary.

[caramel]

Umm, what exactly have the Chinese contributed to Malaysia ?

I really would like to know !!

In most countries, SMES makes up more than 90% of the economy. (Eg. Hong Kong: 98%). In Malaysia, SMEs makes up about 92% the economy. SMEs are harder to track due to loads of reasons (Eg. What makes up an SME? What's the size?). According to the article below, more than 80% of the SMIs in M'sia are owned by ethnic Chinese (SME and SMI are used interchangably in the article).

http://kyotoreview.cseas.kyoto-u.ac.jp/iss...icle_280_p.html

According to one article I've read, most non Bumiputera chose to migrate after the NEP was imposed. I've met many Chinese and Indian M'sians who left M'sia 20+ years ago. I do agree that the NEP was somehow successful in preventing racial riots. However, there were many unwanted outcomes as well (Eg. Wider gap btwn Rich Bumi and Poor Bumi, cronyism, the many corruption cases).

Back to the question, as noted by most of you, the birthrate of the ethnic Chinese is low and most middle class Chinese and Indians and some rich Chinese and Indians are moving out of M'sia.

That's why there is going to be big problem of "brain drain" in M'sia in the near future.

I am grateful for the many things that M'sia gave to my grandfather but why not let the non Bumis help contribute to the economy? Although we are all of different skin colour and origin, the conclusion is if we were to cut ourselves, the blood colour dripping out would be the same.

This post has been edited by caramel: Jan 16 2006, 12:44 AM

[kimyee73]

Tell me which country offer free education at university-level.
By the way, I think you guys are the luckiest ethnic minority in the world and you  guys still don't feel grateful about that. What else do you want?

What I want is for the gov to help all poor Malaysian. If more Malays are poor, then they should be helped. Today, the gov are helping rich Malays to be richer and left the poor Malays behind, especially those in Kelantan for political reason. I did not ask the gov to remove the Malay's right but teach them how to berdikari instead of spoon-feeding them. Don't give them fish, teach them how to fish. If the gov can do that, I'm happy. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Aranadhel]

What I want is for the gov to help all poor Malaysian. If more Malays are poor, then they should be helped. Today, the gov are helping rich Malays to be richer and left the poor Malays behind, especially those in Kelantan for political reason. I did not ask the gov to remove the Malay's right but teach them how to berdikari instead of spoon-feeding them. Don't give them fish, teach them how to fish. If the gov can do that, I'm happy.  (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I agree.. excellent post..

[johnleemk]

Tell me which country offer free education at university-level.

Lots of them. The UK, Germany, France, the Scandinavian countries, Australia, New Zealand, etc. - practically any socialist or pseudo-socialist country offers either free or heavily subsidised education (all the way to undergraduate level) for its citizens. The US must be one of the last places on earth where you need quite a bit of money to go to university, but scholarships and financial aid are a dime a dozen there.

[forrestcat]

It is mind boggling that i know a Malay student driving a BMW get a MARA schoarship to Germany, but then, if he's dumb maybe he won't get pass the German A level which is a killer.

It is good MARA and JPA send their students to do the SAM, A levels before they get their full scholarship, this is to ensure that only the right people get sent overseas. Some crony children may get the scholarship offer, but if they dun get pass the A levels and pre-U courses, they won't go anywhere. And MARA likes to set higher passing rates even than JPA (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_twisted.gif) ....a mischievous tactic the Minister of MARA did to prevent children of cronies from hording the scholarships so my mom says.

BTW, there are quite many Chinese students getting scholarships to overseas, i mean go to INTEC, UiTM Shah Alam, where most JPA and MARA scholarshp holders do their pre-U courses like SAM, A levels, and ADFP before they go overseas. There are quite a number of Chinese,so it is not really fair to say that Malays get all the scholarships. Now with matriculation enforced, god willing, more studenst worthy to get those scholarships will get them.

[Protoculture]

It is mind boggling that i know a Malay student driving a BMW get a MARA schoarship to Germany, but then, if he's dumb maybe he won't get pass the German A level which is a killer.

It is good MARA and JPA send their students to do the SAM, A levels before they get their full scholarship, this is to ensure that only the right people get sent overseas. Some crony children may get the scholarship offer, but if they dun get pass the A levels and pre-U courses, they won't go anywhere. And MARA likes to set higher passing rates even than JPA    (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_twisted.gif) ....a mischievous tactic the Minister of MARA did to prevent children of cronies from hording the scholarships so my mom says.

MARA will continue to nurture cream of the crops of deserved Bumiputra students, & nowadays, MARA had limited the Bumi selections mostly for its own graduates who excelled via merits. MARA has its own merit-based system (yeah, meritocracy within Bumiputra stronghold) with strict no-no towards favoritism.

[kimyee73]

BTW, there are quite many Chinese students getting scholarships to overseas, i mean go to INTEC, UiTM Shah Alam, where most JPA and MARA scholarshp holders do their pre-U courses like SAM, A levels, and ADFP before they go overseas. There are quite a number of Chinese,so it is not really fair to say that Malays get all the scholarships. Now with matriculation enforced, god willing, more studenst worthy to get those scholarships will get them.

Are those Chinese students get their scholarship from JPA or GLC, or mainly from private companies? Also what MARA is doing giving scholarship to rich Malays even if they are good? There are more deserving poor students around. If MARA is using meritocracy to award the scholarship, it's a good thing. Hopefully JPA can follow their footsteps.