Viets Interbred W/ Austro-tai People, according to DNA studies Options

[BishoujoHunter]

http://home.i1.net/~alchu/toivan/hist2.htm
read this

From:  Blood 94S:5b,1999 (suppl 1)
   The vast majority of known G6PD mutants are single missense nucleotide
mutations. The molecularly known mutants may allow more accurate study of
population movement. G6PD mutation information about Taiwan and surrounding
countries was collected from literature. The two most common mutants in the
Han population of Taiwan, 1376G->T and 1388G->A, or their biochemically equivalent
mutants are also commonly found in Southern China, and Thailand, Vietnam,
Singapore, Laos, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The third most common mutant in
Taiwan, 493A->G, has not been found in China but is common in the Philippines
and the most common one in the Siasiat aboriginal group of Taiwan. Two other
uncommon mutants in Taiwan, 1360C->T and 487G->A, have also not been found in
China. However, 1360C->T is the most common mutant in the Philippines and is
also found in the Vanuatu islands in Melanesia. The 487G->A mutant is common
in Southeast Asian countries. Another uncommon mutant, 592C->T in Han population
is the most common one in the Ami aboriginal group. Coagulation factor VIII
(F8C)/G6PD DNA polymorphism studies suggest that Han and aboriginal groups in
Taiwan have a similar pattern suggesting they might have the same ancestors.
The same F8C/G6PD haplotype was found in 1376G->T mutants in the Taiwanese and
the Li minority in Hainan, China.  G6PD deficiency is rare in Northern China
and the Northern G6PD mutants most likely originated from the South by comparing
the pattern of the haplotype of the affected patients between South and North.
The current Han populations in Taiwan and Southern China are unlikely the
descendants of Northern Chinese immigrants as family pedigree books claimed.
The current Han population in Taiwan is likely to have a partial but minor
component of ancestry from Austronesian groups. Some aboriginal groups of Taiwan
might have originally migrated from the Philippines or Taiwan is the ancestral
origin for Taiwanese aboriginal groups, Filipinos and other South Pacific Islanders
as recent studies suggest. Han in Taiwan and Southern China, minorities of
Southern China, Southeast Asians, and aboriginal groups in Taiwan probably
originate from the same ancestors, the different ones from Northern Chinese

This post has been edited by BishoujoHunter: Apr 9 2004, 08:18 PM

[Byron]

http://home.i1.net/~alchu/toivan/hist2.htm
read this

From:  Blood 94S:5b,1999 (suppl 1)
   The vast majority of known G6PD mutants are single missense nucleotide
mutations. The molecularly known mutants may allow more accurate study of
population movement. G6PD mutation information about Taiwan and surrounding
countries was collected from literature. The two most common mutants in the
Han population of Taiwan, 1376G->T and 1388G->A, or their biochemically equivalent
mutants are also commonly found in Southern China, and Thailand, Vietnam,
Singapore, Laos, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The third most common mutant in
Taiwan, 493A->G, has not been found in China but is common in the Philippines
and the most common one in the Siasiat aboriginal group of Taiwan. Two other
uncommon mutants in Taiwan, 1360C->T and 487G->A, have also not been found in
China. However, 1360C->T is the most common mutant in the Philippines and is
also found in the Vanuatu islands in Melanesia. The 487G->A mutant is common
in Southeast Asian countries. Another uncommon mutant, 592C->T in Han population
is the most common one in the Ami aboriginal group. Coagulation factor VIII
(F8C)/G6PD DNA polymorphism studies suggest that Han and aboriginal groups in
Taiwan have a similar pattern suggesting they might have the same ancestors.
The same F8C/G6PD haplotype was found in 1376G->T mutants in the Taiwanese and
the Li minority in Hainan, China.  G6PD deficiency is rare in Northern China
and the Northern G6PD mutants most likely originated from the South by comparing
the pattern of the haplotype of the affected patients between South and North.
The current Han populations in Taiwan and Southern China are unlikely the
descendants of Northern Chinese immigrants as family pedigree books claimed.
The current Han population in Taiwan is likely to have a partial but minor
component of ancestry from Austronesian groups. Some aboriginal groups of Taiwan
might have originally migrated from the Philippines or Taiwan is the ancestral
origin for Taiwanese aboriginal groups, Filipinos and other South Pacific Islanders
as recent studies suggest. Han in Taiwan and Southern China, minorities of
Southern China, Southeast Asians, and aboriginal groups in Taiwan probably
originate from the same ancestors, the different ones from Northern Chinese

The article only says the mutant is found in Southern China,Vietnam,Thailand,Laos,Malaysa whatever.

Fact is Vietnam is made up of many minorities and this study doesn't say who. Did they find it in a 100% vietnamese person? Did they take it from a Khmer Krom who? We need more information about which people the mutant was found in?

There are over 50 minorities in Vietnam.

were the samples taken from the Montagnards,Khmer or what?

This post has been edited by Byron: Apr 9 2004, 08:40 PM

[Nam Quoc Son Ha]

I think Southern Viets atleast interbred with Austronesians in a very small scale.

[supernovasp]

(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/confused.gif) so what are we (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

[aaronly]

i have no clue what austro means, but it doesnt sound very pleasant to the ears, so i dont want to be mixed with austro tai (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

[Byron]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=austronesia

Aus·tro·ne·sia    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (ôstr-nzh, -sh)

The islands of the Pacific Ocean, including Indonesia, Melanesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia.

Why some Nothern Chinese would classify Vietnamese as "austros" is beyond me. Yes Vietnamese and Austronesia are located in SEA. But then again I can use the same logic to label Nothern Chinese as "Hmong" since they both came from Northern China.

but then again it's obvious they label us as "austros" with the intention of being racial discriminatory.

This post has been edited by Byron: Sep 25 2004, 06:58 PM

[Nam Quoc Son Ha]

Austronesians are people like Malays, Khmers and the natives of South East Asia.

I guess we're Kinhnesians. LOL (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[aaronly]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=austronesia

Aus·tro·ne·sia    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (ôstr-nzh, -sh)

The islands of the Pacific Ocean, including Indonesia, Melanesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia.

Why some Nothern Chinese would classify Vietnamese as "austros" is beyond me. Yes They Vietnam and Austronesia are located in SEA. But then again I can use the same logic to label Nothern Chinese as "Hmong" since they both came from Northern China.

but then again it's obvious they label us as "austros" with the intention of being racial discriminatory.

you can call most northern chinese cambodians, since alot of cambodians kiss northern chinese asses, so you can kinda relate them together (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

[User1]

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This post has been edited by User1: Oct 21 2006, 10:38 AM

[康师傅]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=austronesia

Aus·tro·ne·sia    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (ôstr-nzh, -sh)

The islands of the Pacific Ocean, including Indonesia, Melanesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia.

Why some Nothern Chinese would classify Vietnamese as "austros" is beyond me. Yes Vietnamese and Austronesia are located in SEA. But then again I can use the same logic to label Nothern Chinese as "Hmong" since they both came from Northern China.

but then again it's obvious they label us as "austros" with the intention of being racial discriminatory.

Hmong is a different group from northerner chinese...

[Cold_As_Ice]

I notice from BishoujoHunter's post that he tends to link everyone to Austo people. Maybe it's because he has low self esteem about his own ethnicity?

[dalawapo]

"Austro" means south. its a geographical term not a racial/ethnic term. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif)

there is the word, Austrialia, austro-asiatic, Austro-nesian, etc

in terms of the word "Austro-nesian" the prefix "Austro-" means 'south" and the suffix "-Nesian" means islands put it together "SOUTH ISLANDS" see, that is a geographical location.

the word "Austronesian" describes the native culture and native language of the Ethnic Malayan people. The malayan people are the prodominant inhabitants of the NATIONS, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia.

[Cold_As_Ice]

I meant Austronesian. But thanx for the insight.

[dalawapo]

well Austronesian is the philippine's indigenous culture and language, so i think it is fine for us to speak of it and wish to cultivate it by comparing our present philippine culture (which is mixed with foreign Hindu, Arab, Spanish and American cultures) with the people who most preverse austronesian culture and language, the South pacific islanders. because they sailed into the pacific and were not influenced by foreigners... Also Taiwan aboriginese are important to compare because:

Taiwan is recognized by many linguists and scholars as the original land of the Austronesian language. It is believed the Austronesian language and culture originated on Taiwan roughly 6000 years ago due to a lengthy split from its root in southern Asia. Linguistic evidence shows a greater diversity of language on Taiwan than other Austronesian speaking areas. Linguists note earlier linguistic separations, mark the earliest settlements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaoshan

for cambodian, Hindu and Buddhist are both foreign influences on their native aspect.

for vietnamese, chinese is a foreign influence on their native aspect.

if cambodian want to find their indigenous roots, i would guess they would like to compare with the ethnic mon of burma because scholars say mon and khmer are related somehow.

thats teh way i see it anyway..

This post has been edited by dalawapo: Sep 25 2004, 09:09 PM

[ngo.ngochy]

I read in a Vietnamese history book (I think Viet Su Khao Luan) that the current Viets were mixed from tribes in southern China, south Asia (Indian), and southeast Asia (Malay) a few thousand years ago (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/shrug.gif) It's just one of the theory though. They're just tribes originate in those places, not Chinese, Indian or Malaysian.

[khuanam]

Man... whats up with these Austronesian $hit all the time ?? and in here? U could have posted in all other forums... I dont care wtf we are mixed with a 1000 years ago . We are Vietnamese now and nothing can change it...

[Fil-Am]

Austronesians are people like Malays, Khmers and the natives of South East Asia.

I guess we're Kinhnesians. LOL  (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Khmers are not Austronesian (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/sure.gif) , they are austro-asiatic or is it Dravidian.

This post has been edited by Fil-Am: Sep 28 2004, 06:38 AM