History of Sinicization, discuss only what you know |
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History of Sinicization, discuss only what you know |
Jan 18 2006, 01:26 PM
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AF Addict Group: Banned Posts: 995 Joined: 1-December 05 From: Cali |
Sinicization, or Sinification, is to make things Chinese. Linguistically the term is used narrowly to refer to transliteration. In more general contexts it refers to the process of becoming Chinese or not Chinese (desinicization). The term has been used in social science primarily to describe the assimilation of non-Han Chinese peoples (such as the Manchus) into the Chinese identity. Some social scientists object to the use of the term because they claim that this term obscures the fact that sinicization is merely one form of assimilation and using a special term implies a special process. Presumably, this argument could also be applied to Americanization.
In the politics of Taiwan, both terms are used to refer to an increase or decrease in cultural and economic ties with Mainland China. Both terms have been used more commonly after 2001. Since the 1990s, there has been general consensus in Taiwan in favor of the status quo, though there is some debate about what that is. There is also general consensus that the Taiwanese localization movement is favourable. That is, emphasizing local culture and language. Also, the argument in the Republic of China on Taiwan between supporters of Chinese reunification and supporters of Taiwan independence is considered a matter of sinicization. Supporters of independence are generally wary of increasing cultural and economic links (such as the Three Links) with Mainland China. They feel it is part of a strategy by the People's Republic of China to sinicize Taiwan, thus making reunification inevitable. Another meaning is the process by which other peoples like the Koreans, Japanese, and the Vietnamese are influenced by Chinese culture and working practices. Examples of this are the kanji writing system of the Japanese language and the hanja writing system of the Korean language. The Han dynasty (206 B.C.–220 A.D.) establishes China's lasting model of imperial order and imposes a new national consciousness that survives today among the Chinese, who still refer to themselves as the "Han people." Luoyang, the second Han capital, is not only one of the largest cities in the ancient world but also an international marketplace along the well-traveled trade routes that link East Asia and the West. Political turmoil follows the decline of the Han dynasty as numerous rulers vie for control of China's vast territory. Under pressure from northern tribes, the Han regimes are forced south, and for 300 years China is divided between northern and southern dynasties. Buddhism takes hold, and Buddhist imagery enters the artistic vocabulary. Calligraphy and painting flourish in the south. Overall, the period—and the world—is enriched by the development of paper, which is widely used in China by the third century A.D. Assimilation or sinicization is a central theme in Chinese history, as observed in the interplay of Han and non-Han forces when an ethnic minority conquered the mature Chinese empire with an established dynastic system and entrenched cultural ideology, Confucianism. The traditional view of total assimilation or absorption holds that the ethnic minority became absolutely transformed by the Han Chinese, pointing to the fact that many historical minority peoples such as the Xianbei, Jurchens, and Khitans have now become indistinguishable from the Han majority. This view has been challenged by scholars in the last forty years, including Wittfogel and Feng who argue that the effective conquest and domination of the Han majority by the Khitan Liao suggest that the cultural exchange was characterized by selective borrowing and mutual assimilation of certain nomadic and Chinese practices (Holmgren 1986b; Wittfogel and Feng 1949, p.464). Likewise, Dardess's application of Confucianization as an alternative concept to sinicization asserts that the adoption of Confucian ethics and political conduct by the non-Han peoples did not simply turn them into complete Chinese clones or cause them to lose their national or linguistic identities (Dardess 1973, p.3). This study of eunuchs in the non-Han conquest dynasties further erodes the myth of total sinicization. This post has been edited by Wei_TianDi: Jan 18 2006, 01:38 PM |
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Jan 18 2006, 01:38 PM
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AF Elite Group: Members Posts: 7,299 Joined: 3-August 05 From: TEAM RAMROD |
without ''sinicization'' china would the size of Hawaii today (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)
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Jan 18 2006, 01:48 PM
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AF Elite Group: AF Forum Police Posts: 5,329 Joined: 8-August 05 From: college |
we should sinicize the russians...the girls, i mean. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)
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Jan 18 2006, 02:06 PM
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AF Addict Group: Banned Posts: 995 Joined: 1-December 05 From: Cali |
QUOTE (northwestern_student @ Jan 18 2006, 10:48 AM) we should sinicize the russians...the girls, i mean. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif) Not a bad idea at all... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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Jan 18 2006, 02:10 PM
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AF Elite Group: AF Forum Police Posts: 5,329 Joined: 8-August 05 From: college |
^we should not overlook the baltic nations either, their girls are extremely attractive and they have the eastern culture that is much more compatible with china's.
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Jan 18 2006, 02:11 PM
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AF Elite Group: Members Posts: 7,299 Joined: 3-August 05 From: TEAM RAMROD |
why not sinicize the whole world instead (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/Talktohand.gif)
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Jan 18 2006, 02:13 PM
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AF Elite Group: AF Forum Police Posts: 5,329 Joined: 8-August 05 From: college |
well, the baltics are right next to russia, but i think that is china's ultimate agenda (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)
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Jan 18 2006, 02:18 PM
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AF Legend Group: Members Posts: 38,231 Joined: 15-June 05 From: TEAM RAMROD |
QUOTE (LOVEWHIZ @ Jan 18 2006, 12:11 PM) why not sinicize the whole world instead (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/Talktohand.gif) Cause then Karaoke bars would be a billion dollar industry. |
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Jan 18 2006, 02:30 PM
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AF Elite Group: Members Posts: 7,299 Joined: 3-August 05 From: TEAM RAMROD |
QUOTE (Suijen @ Jan 18 2006, 12:18 PM) no fool! bootleg dvd will be (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/Talktohand.gif) obviously you don't understand the chinese market (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2 |
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Jan 18 2006, 03:09 PM
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AF Elite Group: Members Posts: 8,685 Joined: 22-April 04 From: TEAM RAMROD |
QUOTE (northwestern_student @ Jan 18 2006, 01:48 PM) we should sinicize the russians...the girls, i mean. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif) Just look at my sig, they're already doing it I believe. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) |
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Jan 18 2006, 03:18 PM
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AF Fiend Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 12-October 04 |
QUOTE (Adee @ Jan 18 2006, 12:09 PM) Just look at my sig, they're already doing it I believe. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2 |
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Jan 18 2006, 03:31 PM
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AF Pro Group: Members Posts: 1,712 Joined: 9-July 05 From: 獨島 |
We should Japanize taiwan
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Jan 18 2006, 10:44 PM
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AF Addict Group: Banned Posts: 995 Joined: 1-December 05 From: Cali |
there needs to be more effective ways of sinicization besides using superpower influence...
Perhaps one of the more obvious solutions is thru non-sinid subjects , though the Sinid male would have to pass strong traits of sinocism within the offspring. This could be possible because of the increasing trend of chinese males. This post has been edited by Wei_TianDi: Jan 18 2006, 10:52 PM |
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Jan 18 2006, 11:06 PM
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AF Pro Group: Members Posts: 1,674 Joined: 4-November 05 From: It's a secret |
QUOTE (Wei_TianDi @ Jan 18 2006, 10:44 PM) there needs to be more effective ways of sinicization besides using superpower influence... Perhaps one of the more obvious solutions is thru non-sinid subjects , though the Sinid male would have to pass strong traits of sinocism within the offspring. This could be possible because of the increasing trend of chinese males. Do what the Koreans are doing, I will seriously kill ppl if Korea sinicize China ps Cant you like order Russian girls on internet for just citizenship |
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Jan 19 2006, 06:08 AM
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AF Supreme Group: Members Posts: 11,476 Joined: 18-January 06 From: singadangdang! |
I've got a confounding question :
How can we say China may still sinicize other nations like Taiwan or Korea when its own government has been 'communized' by the Russian Bolsheviks in the first place? |
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Jan 22 2006, 01:19 AM
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AF Pro Group: Members Posts: 1,701 Joined: 9-January 06 |
QUOTE (Wei_TianDi @ Jan 18 2006, 12:06 PM) oH BROTHER... fellow chinese what can i say...so evil... you guys so stupid and immoral... this will not go far... Have you read this speech by Bo Yang "The Ugly Chinaman" . You can find it easily on internet. Stuck in the mud of bragging and boasting...poor guys |
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Jan 22 2006, 01:26 AM
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AF Elite Group: Members Posts: 8,327 Joined: 12-July 04 From: TEAM RAMROD |
QUOTE (Anda @ Jan 22 2006, 01:19 AM) oH BROTHER... fellow chinese what can i say...so evil... you guys so stupid and immoral... this will not go far... Have you read this speech by Bo Yang "The Ugly Chinaman" . You can find it easily on internet. Stuck in the mud of bragging and boasting...poor guys What on earth are you talking about? |
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Jan 22 2006, 01:30 AM
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AF Addict Group: Banned Posts: 995 Joined: 1-December 05 From: Cali |
QUOTE (Anda @ Jan 21 2006, 10:19 PM) oH BROTHER... fellow chinese what can i say...so evil... you guys so stupid and immoral... this will not go far... Have you read this speech by Bo Yang "The Ugly Chinaman" . You can find it easily on internet. Stuck in the mud of bragging and boasting...poor guys pardon? what are you trying to say? |
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Jan 23 2006, 12:47 PM
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AF Addict Group: Members Posts: 889 Joined: 1-July 05 From: Jakarta, Indonesia |
I would rather die than be fully Sinicized, partially however is ok!
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Jan 23 2006, 01:31 PM
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AF Fiend Group: Members Posts: 414 Joined: 30-November 05 |
Yes, yes, sinicization. All right then. I am 100% sure that all "oriental" stores specializing in the sale of asian goods is Sinicization owned. Thus, they bring forth fantastic asian products at okay prices. On one hand they introduce products you can't get anywhere else. On the other hand, they also bring over the same habits that are considered "critical conditions" in the United States. For example! Not keeping food hot or cold enough so as to not allow bacteria a chance to grow. That's big in the fish/meat section. Then there's the sale of expired goods. Bleh! I know it's okay to do so in China but please, this is America guys! Americanize instead of Sinicizize when you're over here and everything'll be okay!
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