What is the Most Ancient Civilisation, in the whole world??? Options

[halohalo]

what is the most ancient civilisation in the whole world?

[Jasel]

Are you asking what the first was? Or the ones that's lasted the longest which I think is China's.

[Viety_Cent]

ottamon empire (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/eek.gif)

[Jagger]

The world's oldest ancient civilization was in Iraq (Sumer) from around 3500 BC, followed shortly by India/Pakistan (Indus Valley Civilization) and Egypt from around 3300 BC, and then Iran (Elam) in 2700 BC, and then China (Xia Dynasty) in 2070 BC.

There is some recent evidence that suggests that the Indus Valley Civilzation in India/Pakistan could have been the first, but most still agree that Sumer (in Iraq) was the first civilization.

This post has been edited by Jagger: Jan 22 2006, 10:58 PM

[Magali]

The world's oldest ancient civilization was in Iraq (Sumer) from around 3500 BC, followed shortly by India/Pakistan (Indus Valley Civilization) and Egypt from around 3300 BC, and then Iran (Elam) in 2700 BC, and then China (Xia Dynasty) in 2070 BC.

There is some recent evidence that suggests that the Indus Valley Civilzation in India/Pakistan could have been the first, but most still agree that Sumer (in Iraq) was the first civilization.

well, somewhat yes u're right.
The first "city" was build in Iraq. It all started with agriculture: people hadn't to move anymore looking for food. This happened in the prehistoric age, exactly the neolithic period (around 10000 BC).
Many archeological sites in the middle east reveal a presence of the phoenician civilisation at almost the same period.

[three_kingdoms]

The world's oldest ancient civilization was in Iraq (Sumer) from around 3500 BC, followed shortly by India/Pakistan (Indus Valley Civilization) and Egypt from around 3300 BC, and then Iran (Elam) in 2700 BC, and then China (Xia Dynasty) in 2070 BC.

There is some recent evidence that suggests that the Indus Valley Civilzation in India/Pakistan could have been the first, but most still agree that Sumer (in Iraq) was the first civilization.

cool. i read that sumerian was an altaic language from the east. Dr. Kramer, an English archaeologist, professor emeritus at the University of Pennsylvania, states in his book "History Began at Sumer", that Sumerians had a legend that Sumers came from the East, and Dr. Kramer also believes this as well.

thats cool to know how globalization affected everyone even back then... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/cool30.gif)

[soro_i]

If I'm not mistaken...

The earliest known is in Anatolia (Çatal Hüyük - Turkey) and Mesopotamia (Irrigation Agriculture - Iraq)... (~7500 BC)... But People there already domesticated sheep (~11000 BC)

Indus Settlement (~6000 BC)

Early Chinese - Yangshao (Slash-and-Burn Agriculture) (~5000 BC)

[Mid-Night_Sun]

what about those aztecs or whoever. werent they pretty old.

[Metier9]

Atlantis (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/shifty.gif)

[Magali]

what about those aztecs or whoever.

The Aztecs were around 200 BC
The Mayas : 1500 BC..
so as u might have noticed these civilisations are "young" (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)

[soro_i]

Andean Valdivia in (Peru/Chile) (~3500 BC)

Atlantis?... Plato wrote about in ~400 BC... The Trojan War story is older than Atlantis story.


---> (~4000 BC)

Chinese Planed Cities
Egyptian Built Dams
Egyptian Embalmed Mummy

---> (~3000 BC)

Abacus was invented in Mesopotamia (Iraq)
First Dentist Hesi-Re DMD (Egypt)
Stonehenge built

--> (~2900 BC)

First School in Mesopotamia (Iraq)
Great Flood in Sumeria (Iraq) (the same Great Flood in the Bible)

--> (~2650 BC)

Chinese Produced Silk
Egyptians Create Denture

--> (2551-2472 BC)

Egyptians Built pyramids at Giza

--> (~2350 BC)

Early Law Codes (Mesopotamia) (Iraq)

--> (~2000 BC)

Van Lang (Vietnam)
Polynesian Migration (Pacific Ocean)
Chinese Developed Acupuncture
Babylonians Solve Quadratic Equations (Pythagorean theorem) (Iraq)

--> (~1200 BC)

Moses became leader of the Hebrew?
Trojan War
Fall of Troy

--> (1100 BC)

I Ching (China)

[Magali]

What about the phoenicians? anyone has already heard abt it?

[soro_i]

Phoenicians occupied cities along the Eastern Mediterranean Sea beginning ~2500 BC but were under Egyptian control until ~1200 BC.

[Jagger]

cool. i read that sumerian was an altaic language from the east. Dr. Kramer, an English archaeologist, professor emeritus at the University of Pennsylvania, states in his book "History Began at Sumer", that Sumerians had a legend that Sumers came from the East, and Dr. Kramer also believes this as well.

That's only one of the theories about who the Sumerians were. The other theories suggest they were the ancestors of either:

-Modern Iraqis (most common thoery)
-Dravidians (South Indians)
-Jews
-East Africans
-Altaic peoples (which you pointed out)

If I'm not mistaken...

The earliest known is in Anatolia (Çatal Hüyük - Turkey) and Mesopotamia (Irrigation Agriculture - Iraq)... (~7500 BC)... But People there already domesticated sheep (~11000 BC)

Indus Settlement (~6000 BC)

Early Chinese - Yangshao (Slash-and-Burn Agriculture) (~5000 BC)

Neolithic settlements are not usually defined as "civilizations". A civilization is defined as a Bronze Age urban society that lived in cities, and these didn't appear until 3500 BC.

The earliest neolithic settlements were: (not civilizations)

1. Damascus (Syria) in 9500 BC
2. Jericho (Palestine/Israel) in 9000 BC
3. Gulf of Cambay (India) in 7500 BC
3. Çatalhöyük (Turkey) in 7500 BC
4. Mehrgarh (Pakistan) in 7000 BC
5. Yangshao (China) in 5000 BC

The earliest Bronze Age urban civilizations were: (defined as civilizations)

1. Sumer (Iraq) in 3500 BC
2. Indus Valley (India/Pakistan) in 3300 BC
3. Kemet (Egypt) in 3200 BC
4. Elam (Iran) in 2700 BC
5. Xia Dynasty (China) in 2070 BC

This post has been edited by Jagger: Feb 26 2006, 02:53 AM

[MING-LOYALIST]

Sumer was the first to qualify as a civilization.

[LUNG!]

I DON"T KNOW THE TRUE ANSWER>>BUT LET ME SAY THAT THE DINOSAURS WERE HERE FIRST! THEN THE CAVEMEN! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

[LUNG!]

DElete

This post has been edited by LUNG!: Feb 26 2006, 03:02 AM

[soro_i]

The dawn of Sumerian civilization was ~4200 BC... Township began around Eridu probably by ppl from Iranian Plateau... But at that time, there were already other "cities" in Mesopotamia (Uruk)

By ~4000BC, the Egyptians already buiding dam and the Chinese already planning cities in grid pattern.

As far as I know, Indus Valley - Harappan (Mohenjo-Daro) was built ~ 2500 BC and China - Shang Dynasty was also around that time period.

And Egyptian Early Dynasty started around 2900 BC.

[HuainanMaster]

Chinese knowledge blew everyone else away though.

[Jagger]

The dawn of Sumerian civilization was ~4200 BC... Township began around Eridu probably by ppl from Iranian Plateau... But at that time, there were already other "cities" in Mesopotamia (Uruk)

By ~4000BC, the Egyptians already buiding dam and the Chinese already planning cities in grid pattern.

As far as I know, Indus Valley - Harappan (Mohenjo-Daro) was built ~ 2500 BC and China - Shang Dynasty was also around that time period.

And Egyptian Early Dynasty started around 2900 BC.

The first cities are dated no earlier than ~3500 BC, when the Sumerian settlements of Ur, Uruk and Eridu became cities. Also, Eridu is in Iraq, not Iran.

As for the Indus civilization, it began in ~3300 BC, peaked from ~2600 BC, collapsed in ~1700 BC, and then the Indian dark ages began (which lasted until ~1000 BC).

The first dynasty of Egypt began in ~3200 BC, which then peaked for a continuous 3000+ years.

The first dynasty of China (Xia dynasty) began in ~2070 BC, and China later peaked from ~1700 BC (starting with Shang dynasty) for a continuous 3000+ years.

This webpage has a brief timeline of the four civilizations of the ancient world: (Mesopotamia, Egypt, Indus, China)

http://www.harappa.com/indus2/timeline.html

This site has a more detailed timeline of the civilizations:

http://timelines.ws/0A1MILL_3300BC.HTML
http://timelines.ws/0B3300_1300BC.HTML

The dates I've given for the civilizations are similar to the dates in those sites.

This post has been edited by Jagger: Feb 27 2006, 04:18 AM