Indonesia and Philippines, potential positive stories in 2006 Options

[Sirikittong]

Thats not my point. My point is that the average Filipino is better of than the average Indonesian, by a good 1,600 dollars more, GDP capita wise.

This post has been edited by Sirikittong: Mar 8 2006, 12:55 PM

[Kokol]

err.. again Indonesia's GDP is twice the size of Philippines' GDP, hence we are richer than Philippines. But, of course, Philippines GDP is larger than Bangladesh

What the??? GDP is divisible by your countries population...So Philippines has a HIGHER GDP that Indonesia....geez tell your government to provide better education...

SHOULD I READ THAT FOR YOU AGAIN? MAYBE YOU WILL GET IT THE 2ND TIME..

ill put it in caps this time...

PHILIPPINES HAS A HIGHER GDP THAN INDONESIA BY ALMOST $1,000

do you want it another time?

DUDE you are so freakin' clueless get it through your HEAD...

Check every source on the internet and it will say that Philippines has a higher GDP than Indonesia just check it......find one source that says that Indonesia's GDP is higher than Philippines.....

[malaccan]

C'mon, seriously we're all ASEAN states. Wheres the brotherly love?

I have it in my heart

I think all ASEAN countries have very high nationalistic sentiments, so ASEAN brotherly love is still weak.

Too true

Off topic. Sorry. It's just interesting to see both Siri and purnomor both here in the Filipino chat. Cos you guys are the most nationalistic Thai and Indo forummers I know here on AF. But I also know that you two also want to see a successful ASEAN.

Indonesia and the Philippines are two South-East Asian countries expected to unleash their economic prowess in 2006 given the likelihood of better productivity and fiscal improvement, according to the ANZ Bank.

[BatangDamo]

Cmon Guys, its suppose to be something positive between the 2 countries. Stay with the topic please

[garzland]

That's bcoz Indonesia's population is nearly three times the population of RP, so our larger GDP has got to be divided for much more people, hence our slightly lower GDP per capita. Anyways, good that the Philippines will built that giant shopping mall, I just luv hanging out in these malls. Economically, Indonesia is just a bit slightly better than Philippines.

Indonesia has a bigger population because it has a bigger land area.... It's GDP is much bigger than the Philippines because of its land area, more resources contribute to the GDP, but still its GDP per capita is far behind the Philippines... So it's better to say that Philippines is richer than Indonesia.

[Sirikittong]

Education will definately affect the economy of the two nations. Comparing the education of the two countries, here:

Indonesia

Literacy:
Definition Field Listing
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 87.9%
male: 92.5%
female: 83.4% (2002 est.)

Philippines

Literacy:
Definition Field Listing
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 92.6%
male: 92.5%
female: 92.7% (2002)

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Looking at the two sources from the CIA World Factbook, we observe two major differences between the two nations; the Philippines has a higher overall literacy rate with a total literacy rate of 92.6% being literate; whereas Indonesia's total literary rate is 87.9%, which is 4.7% lower than that of the Philippines. As well, Indonesia's female population is at 83.4% literate and its male literacy rate is 92.5%, a drastic 10% difference between the two.

Whereas in the Philippines, the female literacy rate is .2% higher than that of the male filipinos. We can conclude that education is better and more nondiscrimatory in the Philippines than that of Indonesia.

Indonesia's female literacy rate is almost 10% lower than that of the Philippines.

[garzland]

First posted by Cokelitro

World's Ranking on Quality of Life
The Economist.

Ireland's combination of increasing wealth and traditional values gave it the conditions most likely to make its people happy, the survey found. The survey was prepared for The Economist's "World in 2005" publication, with the remit: "Where will be the best place to live in 2005?"

The Economist said: "Ireland wins because it successfully combines the most desirable elements of the new, such as low unemployment and political liberties, with the preservation of certain cosy elements of the old, such as stable family and community life."

Sri Lanka wins the prize of the the most improved nation with a jump of five places to 43rd.

Elsewhere, the survey found the quality of life in the US has plummeted in the past year. Second only to Luxembourg in last year's survey, it has dropped 11 places to 13th this time round. The impact of war is hard to quantify but even harder is Iraq, which has dropped off the scale, with the compilers citing "lack of information".

Despite the reports of China's healthy economic development, it is still in the bottom half of the league in 60th place, thanks in part to its civil liberties' failings.


Determinants of quality of life

The nine quality-of-life factors, and the indicators used
to represent these factors, are:

1. Material wellbeing
gdp per person, at ppp in $. Source: Economist Intelligence
Unit

2. Health
Life expectancy at birth, years. Source: us Census Bureau

3. Political stability and security
Political stability and security ratings. Source: Economist
Intelligence Unit

4. Family life
Divorce rate (per 1,000 population), converted into index
of 1 (lowest divorce rates) to 5 (highest). Sources: un; Euromonitor

5. Community life
Dummy variable taking value 1 if country has either high
rate of church attendance or trade-union membership; zero
otherwise. Sources: ilo; World Values Survey

6. Climate and geography
Latitude, to distinguish between warmer and colder climes.
Source: cia World Factbook

7. Job security
Unemployment rate, %. Sources: Economist Intelligence
Unit; ilo.

8. Political freedom
Average of indices of political and civil liberties. Scale of 1
(completely free) to 7 (unfree). Source: Freedom House

9. Gender equality
Ratio of average male and female earnings, latest available
data. Source: undp Human Development Report









Looking at the data, the Philippines is much better than Indonesia... Philippines at 44 and Indonesia at 71.

This post has been edited by garzland: Mar 8 2006, 10:45 PM

[purnomor]

What the??? GDP is divisible by your countries population...So Philippines has a HIGHER GDP that Indonesia....geez tell your government to provide better education...

SHOULD I READ THAT FOR YOU AGAIN? MAYBE YOU WILL GET IT THE 2ND TIME..

ill put it in caps this time...

PHILIPPINES HAS A HIGHER GDP THAN INDONESIA BY ALMOST $1,000

do you want it another time?

DUDE you are so freakin' clueless get it through your HEAD...

Check every source on the internet and it will say that Philippines has a higher GDP than Indonesia just check it......find one source that says that Indonesia's GDP is higher than Philippines.....

LOLZ calm down kokol.. read the beginning of this topic.. we've discussed this before, so my previous explanation stands:

If Indonesia's GDP per capita is slightly lower (just over $1000) than Philippines, it is because our population is three times your population. However, this is just some theoretical dividing of total GDP by population with not much use in real world. It is clear that very few Filipinos earn $ 5,100 per year. If we take a closer look into the figures, we can easily conclude that it is NOT true that Filipino is richer than Indonesians.

This is because Philippines has 40% poverty rate (people living under $ 1 per day), more than 2.5 times the poverty rate of Indonesia of 15%. Moreover, your Gini coefficient is extremely high (46.6) compared to Indonesia (34.3). That means majority of Filipinos live in extreme poverty while a small minority of oligarchs controlled majority of country's wealth.

For the future, Indonesia's economic growth is larger than the Philippines, while our population growth rate is smaller than the Philippines. So, it is certain that Indonesia's GDP per capita will overtake Philippines soon in the future.


@ garlandz:

The Economist can produce any self-made tables as they please, but you can see millions of Filipinos left the country each year, so your emigration rate is so high (-1.49/1000 population). Meanwhile, there are very few Indonesians who emigrated, our emigration rate is a good 0/1000 population. So, it is obvious the millions of Filipinos who are dying to leave the Philippines would disagree that the country has good quality of life.

This post has been edited by purnomor: Mar 8 2006, 11:07 PM

[purnomor]

Looking at the two sources from the CIA World Factbook, we observe two major differences between the two nations; the Philippines has a higher overall literacy rate with a total literacy rate of 92.6% being literate; whereas Indonesia's total literary rate is 87.9%, which is 4.7% lower than that of the Philippines. As well, Indonesia's female population is at 83.4% literate and its male literacy rate is 92.5%, a drastic 10% difference between the two.

Whereas in the Philippines, the female literacy rate is .2% higher than that of the male filipinos. We can conclude that education is better and more nondiscrimatory in the Philippines than that of Indonesia.

Philippines might have a slightly higher literacy rate thanks to the educational system made by the American colonists. Philippines has 95% literacy rate during independence in 1946, all thanks to the Americans. That literacy rate actually slightly dropped by 3% after independence means RP govt need to maintain the system left to them by Americans more vigorously.

Meanwhile, Indonesia's literacy rate after independence from the Dutch in 1945 is less than 5%, since the Dutch practically gave no education at all to Indonesians. It is a tribute to Indonesian govt that they succeeded in increasing our literacy rate from 5% to nearly 90% in the 60 years of independence. Our educational system is more successful in spreading literacy compared to the Philippines.

[ham_let]

oh my god this thread is so pathetic.

just a bunch of people posting totally irerelevant facts and then people responding with something intended to feel like this:

No offense, "----post statistic here---" but you country sucks compared to mine.

Everyone get a life.



maybe i need to say it with harsher words:
BOTH COUNTRIES ARE STILL DEVELOPING. BOTH COUNTRIES STILL SUCK TO LIVE IN COMAPRED TO THER COUNTRIES IN ASIA. SO GET OVER WITH YOURSELVES AND LET'S JUST SUPPORT EACH OTHER!

This post has been edited by ham_let: Mar 8 2006, 11:27 PM

[mofo]

why are u guys arguing over who has it better? both countries are doing bad!..

[purnomor]

why are u guys arguing over who has it better? both countries are doing bad!..

I can accept peeps saying Indonesia is much similar to Philippines, unlike if some Filipino laughably insist they are better than Indonesia.

[ham_let]

unlike if some Filipino laughably insist they are better than Indonesia.

omg wth. can you just stop insisting that indonesia is better at the end of every post?

i swear right at the end of this fu-king argument you'll be like:

i'm sorry if i offended anyone. i <3 both countries.

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btw philippines sucks.

how becoming of you.


anyways i've been to both countries. indonesians are really nice. filipinos are really nice. living conditions... er... about the same i'd say. what's $1000 gonna do? you're still poor.

[purnomor]

omg wth. can you just stop insisting that indonesia is better at the end of every post?

i swear right at the end of this fu-king argument you'll be like:
how becoming of you.
anyways i've been to both countries. indonesians are really nice. filipinos are really nice. living conditions... er... about the same i'd say. what's $1000 gonna do? you're still poor.

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No worries, it is just unacceptable if someone insist that Philippines is better at the end of their every post.

Yeah.. Filipinos are pretty nice and Lechon de Leche is quite tasty. There is a nice "Spanish-Filipino" Restaurant in Brisbane..

[Sirikittong]

That is rather pathetic of you, that you have to compare yourself to a country like the Philippines. Give the Philippines a break man, their struggling as it is. Compare the economy of Indonesia to Thailand's...lol. There is no comparison. Our GDP per capita is $8,300 vs your ($3,700). LOL!

I prefer the philippines over Indonesia anyways.

MABUHAY ANG REPUBLIKANG PILIPINAS!!!!

MABUHAY ANG THAI-FILIPINO RELATIONS!!!!

CHAI YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[purnomor]

That is rather pathetic of you, that you have to compare yourself to a country like the Philippines.

hmm.. comparing ourself to a country like philippines is "pathetic" eh.. i see so that's what you really think of philippines..

Give the Philippines a break man, their struggling as it is. Compare the economy of Indonesia to Thailand's...lol. There is no comparison. Our GDP per capita is $8,300 vs your ($3,700). LOL!

I prefer the philippines over Indonesia anyways.

MABUHAY ANG REPUBLIKANG PILIPINAS!!!!

MABUHAY ANG THAI-FILIPINO RELATIONS!!!!

CHAI YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL I know you have family in Philippines..

No worries, most Indonesians don't really know or care much about Thailand either, since we have such a huge country we are (unfortunately) rather insular.

BTW "Mabuhay" means welcome.. so you're saying "Welcome to Republic of Philippines" which is kinda odd

This post has been edited by purnomor: Mar 9 2006, 01:53 AM

[Sirikittong]

Your incompetence in Filipino is rather sad. 'Mabuhay' can mean 'long live' or 'welcome'

I do have filipino family members. And you have a problem with that?

[purnomor]

Your incompetence in Filipino is rather sad. 'Mabuhay' can mean 'long live' or 'welcome'

I do have filipino family members. And you have a problem with that?

Let's just say that explains your statement of "preferring Philippines".

[Bohemian]

That is rather pathetic of you, that you have to compare yourself to a country like the Philippines. Give the Philippines a break man, their struggling as it is. Compare the economy of Indonesia to Thailand's...lol. There is no comparison. Our GDP per capita is $8,300 vs your ($3,700). LOL!

I prefer the philippines over Indonesia anyways.

MABUHAY ANG REPUBLIKANG PILIPINAS!!!!

MABUHAY ANG THAI-FILIPINO RELATIONS!!!!

CHAI YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You shut your mouth up, nationalistic crap!! We don't need someone like you to flame up this discussion. If you want to start up your own Thai - Filipino chat, GO AHEAD!

We, Pinoys and Indonesians started off this thread, we'll manage it ourselves. My relations with the Pinoys is closer than yours.

I don't mind Filipinos or Indonesians arguing like hell here, at least we can learn something out of it. But, not some foreigner, whose intention is just create some unnecessary nationalistic flames. So, for you: get out of this chat.

[Sirikittong]

Flame? Excuse me but I have not once initiated a flame, merely defended the cause of the Philippines and the Filipino people. I have a personal link to the Philippines and its people, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Take your own advice.

To all the filipinos in here. Pasensya naman if i caused maraming heart break nalang dahil gustong ko maga defend ang bansang pilipinas at ang bayaning pilipino! Dahil ang thai at ang pilipino ay ASEAN members! Brothers kita na lang! Mabuhay at ating relations!!!!

Chai Yo!!