Isan will rise again one day!!! Options

[Lao Isan]

180 years ago after Siam (Thai) ransacked Vientiane, took its people
and settled them in Korat, imprisoned their king in Kroungtheb
(BangKok). Siam used Lao people to build temples, canal, palaces and
many Siam official building around Kroungtheb. They practically are
Siam slave; some of them are starved to death during this period. Their
King Chao Anou has been working as slave among his people. He was very
strong and he was very charismatic, Siam was suspicious that one day
Chao Anou will rise against their power and put him in jail, Chao Anou
died of starvation.
A vast territory, from Khonkain to Ubon and its people around 16-18m
are now called Lao Isan.
Thai government rewrite history book and deny that 1826 holocaust in
Vientiane had happened, Thai government keep Phra Keo and returned only
Prabang to Lao people.
Isan people are the poorest people among Thai ethnic, few Isan people
have a degree from university, and they are bared from working in some
sensitive post in the government. Thai government banned people chewing
betel nut, they destroy all betel nut tree in Korat and another part of
Isan.
Isan is undeveloped compared with another part of Thailand, high
unemployment, each year when the rice season is over around 2-3m Isan
people migrate to Bangkok looking for work in the factories, shop, some
are Tuk Tuk and Taxi drivers. They are considered as second class among
Thai people and have very low wages. Further more some young girls from
Isan are sold for prostitution, 75% of them have been infected with
HIV.
From the past many writers, poet or some intellectual who talk about
the origin of Isan people have been assassinated or disappeared with
any trace.
Local government official in Isan are from the south, they act as a
depression element for central government.
Isan people are fighting for their identity, right to be equal among
other ethnic and to preserve Isan culture and the right to be Isan
people.
The fight is just begun!!!!
Lao isan.
Isan will rise again

http://groups.google.com/group/isan

[Chickens]

Well, Ong Bak and Tom Yam Goong is a good way to start! I thought Ong Bak was honestly pretty good. Tony Jaa looks just like a friend of mine. Moves the same way, too. I guess the way their bodies are built makes them more acrobatic, although my friend is a little darker. Haven't seen Tom Yam Goong yet, tho.

[Lao Isan]

[quote=Chickens,Feb 8 2006, 12:23 PM]
Haven't seen Tom Yam Goong yet, tho.

Well some one said Tom Yam Goong is the worst follow up to Ong Bak.

[AEROFORCE1]

[quote=Lao Isan,Feb 8 2006, 01:39 PM]
[quote=Chickens,Feb 8 2006, 12:23 PM]
Haven't seen Tom Yam Goong yet, tho.

Well some one said Tom Yam Goong is the worst follow up to Ong Bak.

[/quote]
The purpose of all of ur post on AF is to frame Thai. Please stop make up d story on Thai steal whatever from Laos ,if we really stole many stuffs from u please show me some evidance
I will take it personaly and act as a bad people when I encounter with u ,and let see how bad I can be as I am Thai.



Dauglae (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/Talktohand.gif)

[yajthaugluv]

It does have some truth to it...not all is made up.

[AnAttA]

180 years ago after Siam (Thai) ransacked Vientiane, took its people
and settled them in Korat, imprisoned their king in Kroungtheb
(BangKok). Siam used Lao people to build temples, canal, palaces and
many Siam official building around Kroungtheb. They practically are
Siam slave; some of them are starved to death during this period. Their
King Chao Anou has been working as slave among his people. He was very
strong and he was very charismatic, Siam was suspicious that one day
Chao Anou will rise against their power and put him in jail, Chao Anou
died of starvation.
A vast territory, from Khonkain to Ubon and its people around 16-18m
are now called Lao Isan.
Thai government rewrite history book and deny that 1826 holocaust in
Vientiane had happened, Thai government keep Phra Keo and returned only
Prabang to Lao people.
Isan people are the poorest people among Thai ethnic, few Isan people
have a degree from university, and they are bared from working in some
sensitive post in the government. Thai government banned people chewing
betel nut, they destroy all betel nut tree in Korat and another part of
Isan.
Isan is undeveloped compared with another part of Thailand, high
unemployment, each year when the rice season is over around 2-3m Isan
people migrate to Bangkok looking for work in the factories, shop, some
are Tuk Tuk and Taxi drivers. They are considered as second class among
Thai people and have very low wages. Further more some young girls from
Isan are sold for prostitution, 75% of them have been infected with
HIV.
From the past many writers, poet or some intellectual who talk about
the origin of Isan people have been assassinated or disappeared with
any trace.
Local government official in Isan are from the south, they act as a
depression element for central government.
Isan people are fighting for their identity, right to be equal among
other ethnic and to preserve Isan culture and the right to be Isan
people.
The fight is just begun!!!!
Lao isan.
Isan will rise again

http://groups.google.com/group/isan

You made me proud to be THAI. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_redface.gif)

[tangawizi]

How do Isan people view the King of Thailand? Do they consider the King as their monarch?

[tangawizi]

The purpose of all of ur post on AF is to frame Thai. Please stop make up d story on Thai steal whatever from Laos ,if we really stole many stuffs from u please show me some evidance
I will take it personaly and act as a bad people when I encounter with u ,and let see how bad I can be as I am Thai.
Dauglae  (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/Talktohand.gif)

Aeroforce, I am sorry to say this but even you admit that Thaksin (thai PM) is trying to sell the country, why do you think the people are making up stories of Thai stealing whatever from Lao?

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...opic=63112&st=0

[Chickens]

How do Isan people view the King of Thailand? Do they consider the King as their monarch?

Yea, generally they are respectful of the Thai King. Lao, Thai and perhaps kings of the surrounding countries are viewed with more religious overtones. So there is no real disrespect for the Thai King.

At any rate this is all ultra nationalism. Like a fellow from Ghana once said,"We have freedom and democracy but we cannot eat either idealogies", because his country was still very poor, while more strict and authoritarian countries like Malaysia was prosperous. This applies to the Isaan situation as well. The people might not be well educated, but they are not stupid enough to throw their lot in with the state of Laos for purely nationalistic reasons no matter what your history books may say. Bringing up the past won't feed their children. In several generations most of Isaan may well become Thaified. By that time it won't matter.

Anyway, if there really was a secession movement in Isaan, the government of Laos won't want to have anything to do with it. They have enough issues to deal with, and in this day and age those issues are much more important than the nationalistic aspirations of a few guys behind their computers. Even the Malaysian government doesn't want to have anything to do with the current separatist movement in the 3 southern provinces of Thailand. This is the 21st century, things have changed. The Cold War is over. Free market capitalism is now the most powerful force in the world. That is what everyone is preoccupied with, not some irredentist claims. Otherwise Mexico would still be lobbying for the huge territory it lost to the US after the American-Mexican War. The Mexican War did occur some 20 odd years after this :

180 years ago after Siam (Thai) ransacked Vientiane, took its people
and settled them in Korat, imprisoned their king in Kroungtheb
(BangKok).

This post has been edited by Chickens: Feb 8 2006, 02:44 PM

[Chickens]

Thaksin (thai PM) is trying to sell the country

I think we should all repeat together that Thaksin is a fool. Not only is he corrupt and arrogant, but he acts like a 5 year old baby trying to be a politician. He throws lots of tantrums. Generally he is an embarassment for us Asians. The only thing he has going for him is his massive family wealth, with which he wrongfully uses his political influence to increase. Remember that "megaphone" diplomacy displayed earlier in the year when the refugees from Thailand crossed the border into Malaysia? That was so embarassing to even contemplate. Makes others look at us Asians as if we're amateurs.

I think Mayalsia's PM displays greater political acumen and dignity, although he did partake in that "megaphone diplomacy", but he was also the first to call it off in favour of a more stately approach.

This post has been edited by Chickens: Feb 8 2006, 03:34 PM

[Lao Isan]

It does have some truth to it...not all is made up.

The truth is Pra keo still in BKK. Only Isan and Laos form one great state as 180 years before - Lan Xang, then Pra keo will return to Lao people again.

[tangawizi]

Yea, generally they are respectful of the Thai King.  Lao, Thai and perhaps kings of the surrounding countries are viewed with more religious overtones.  So there is no real disrespect for the Thai King.

At any rate this is all ultra nationalism.  Like a fellow from Ghana once said,"We have freedom and democracy but we cannot eat either idealogies", because his country was still very poor, while more strict and authoritarian countries like Malaysia was prosperous.  This applies to the Isaan situation as well.  The people might not be well educated, but they are not stupid enough to throw their lot in with the state of Laos for purely nationalistic reasons no matter what your history books may say.  Bringing up the past won't feed their children.  In several generations most of Isaan may well become Thaified.  By that time it won't matter.

Anyway, if there really was a secession movement in Isaan, the government of Laos won't want to have anything to do with it.  They have enough issues to deal with, and in this day and age those issues are much more important than the nationalistic aspirations of a few guys behind their computers.  Even the Malaysian government doesn't want to have anything to do with the current separatist movement in the 3 southern provinces of Thailand.  This is the 21st century, things have changed.  The Cold War is over.  Free market capitalism is now the most powerful force in the world.  That is what everyone is preoccupied with, not some irredentist claims.  Otherwise Mexico would still be lobbying for the huge territory it lost to the US after the American-Mexican War.  The Mexican War did occur some 20 odd years after this :

Very powerful thoughts indeed. I could say the same for Kenyans here, they have democracy and free speech but they can't eat either of those as the drought carries on and some 3m pastoralists up north are starving.

Whatever happened to the original king of the Issan people? Was or is he the same king as the Laotian king?

[Chickens]

Was or is he the same king as the Laotian king?

Indeed, but it must be noted in the past tense. The country of Laos has no monarchs. To some Lao people the area known as Isaan is called the 16 lost provinces.

This post has been edited by Chickens: Feb 9 2006, 07:07 AM

[tangawizi]

Why is the Buddha statue Pra Keo so significant in the nationhood of the Lao?

[AnAttA]

Some people think that Lao is not going anywhere becuase of Buddha statue Pra Keo is in Thailand. If Lao get Buddha statue Pra Keo back. Lao will be great again. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_neutral.gif)

[Me_Myself_And_I]

Why is the Buddha statue Pra Keo so significant in the nationhood of the Lao?

Pra Keo is a very scared Buddha statue to both Lao and Thai. There are two Pra Keo in Thailand. One only for the public and the real one is kept in a secret chamber that only the King of Thailand have access to. Pra Keo has a very long history...the origins of this scared Buddha statue can be traced all the way back to Northern India, from there to Sri Lanka, from Sir Lanka to Cambodia, from Cambodia to Laos, and from Laos to present day Thailand. Basically, all South East Asian(with the exception of the Viets) revere Pra Keo.

[crew]

Some people think that Lao is not going anywhere becuase of Buddha statue Pra Keo is in Thailand. If Lao get Buddha statue Pra Keo back. Lao will be great again. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_neutral.gif)

This myth is accepted by a lot of Khmers as well. The reason why thailand is prosperous and modernized.

[Lao Isan]

Pra Keo is a very scared Buddha statue to Lao and Isan people. Thai just stole it from VTE in 1828!!!

Pra keo has been given to Chao AnouVong by King of Sri Lang ka. It was Chao AnouVong who built ho pra keo in VTE.

[AnAttA]

This myth is accepted by a lot of Khmers as well. The reason why thailand is prosperous and modernized.

(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif) Thanks

BTW, how many Pra Keo do Japan and Korea have? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

This post has been edited by AnAttA: Feb 9 2006, 07:25 PM

[Zelnom]

I think there are many myths and legends surrounding the Pha Keo, that we may never know the truth of it. This is what PB on AF said about it:

According to legend, the Emerald Buddha was created in India in 43 BCE by Nagasena in the city of Pataliputra (today Patna), but some art historians describe it as belonging to the Chiang Saen Style of the 15th century CE. The legends state that, after remaining in Pataliputra for three hundred years, it was taken to Sri Lanka to save it from a civil war. In 457 King Anuruth of Burma sent a mission to Ceylon to ask for a Buddhist scriptures and the Emerald Buddha, in order to support Buddhism in his country. These requests were granted, but the ship lost its way in a storm during the return voyage and landed in Cambodia. When the Thais captured Angkor Wat, the Emerald Buddha went to Ayutthaya, Kamphaeng Phet, Lao and finally Chiang Rai, where the ruler of the city hid it.

I heard of the "flying" Pha Keo supernatural myth, but it sounds like an urban legend. As much as Santa Clause delivering present to kids on Christmas. Couldn't the "flying" all be fabricated to become a hoax popularized by rural farmers claiming to see flashy green light/object flying through the air. Couldn't it had been some green fireworks setup by Thailand? I believe that Thai news was created by Thai nationalists to distract Lao villagers thinking the statue actually flew nation to nation, blessing it, as it's currently in Thailand now. However, that could be a cover-up for the real reasons Thai stole the scared statute from Laos back then. Just a random thought. lol.