GENGHIS KHAN, 800 th anniversary Options

[shashoujian]

Nurhaci overthrew the Ming? I thought the Ming dynasty was already at her limit when Manchu came to power. Ming wasnt overthrew by the Manchus but by Li Zi Cheng (great Chinese rebel lord who unfortunetly know nothing about international situation). If the Manchus didnt come we would have the Shuen dynasty!

Well, let me rephrase. The Qing took over after the collapse of the Ming. And yeah I know about the rebel, but the Ming still had a sizable force in the south.

[Evil Keroppi]

mongorians break down my wall

[education]

Think about it people. We have a statue of a foreign leader of an army that raped and pillaged our country and people. On the other hand china has had alot of people that actually liberated chinese culture worldwide and helped to make our country better most notably Bruce Lee. And yet we don't even have a statue of him erected in china and were going to put one up of genghis khan before bruce lee and nobody here sees anything wrong with that. Did I just step into the twilight zone or am I the only one here who thinks this is royally f*cked up.

[~Theta~]

Think about it people. We have a statue of a foreign leader of an army that raped and pillaged our country and people. On the other hand china has had alot of people that actually liberated chinese culture worldwide and helped to make our country better most notably Bruce Lee. And yet we don't even have a statue of him erected in china and were going to put one up of genghis khan before bruce lee and nobody here sees anything wrong with that. Did I just step into the twilight zone or am I the only one here who thinks this is royally f*cked up.

We also have a statue of Norman Bethune, a foreigner, but he clearly deserves to have one in his honor. The reason why we even have statues of people like Genghis Khan is because we don't discriminate against non-Han/non-Chinese. Our official 56 minorities in China are a clear example of our respect for other cultures. Some people, such as Khatun, have to get it through to their heads that us Chinese have nothing against Mongolians or anyone else in general. There may be occasional weirdos like Qlittlemon (sp?), or the trolling Chinese member Khatun was talking about earlier, but you gotta understand that the overall consensus is that we Chinese do not have any ill feelings towards Mongolians or whoever else. Actually, before any Mongolians came into here spouting negativity, I thought fondly of them as an interesting people. I wasn't even aware that there should be tensions between us at all.

But to answer your question, yes, I think there definitely should be a Bruce Lee statue. OMG, Bruce Lee! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/love2.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/love2.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/love2.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/rockon.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/rockon.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/rockon.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

[education]

I respect the fact that china has so much love towards all ethnicities including mongolians but we can give them respect without putting up a statue of genghis khan and glorifying his killing sprees. Would a jewish person build a statue of hitler just because he was a great leader? NO, would america put up a statue of bin laden just because he was a clever strategist and mastermind?No. so why should we put up a statue of genghis khan just because people were impressed by his so called feats??? You'll never convince me that this is right I feel this is throwing our pride and dignity out the window and spitting on the graves of those that were raped killed and starved to death by this lunatic. Theres also that danger of the double standard that we give to the japanese but not to the mongolians. How foolish does it make us look when we constantly harp on them about the atrocities of WW2 when they killed 400,000 people but yet when it comes to a person who killed millions of chinese people we build a damn statue in his honor?? Where is the common sense in that? As far as Im concerned anybody or country that has ever raped and invaded our country and killed does not deserve this kind of recognition and I find it infuriating that people would do this. Its 2006 when are we going to learn to stop embarassing ourselves and start setting our eyes on the bigger prizes in life like respect and longevity instead of the decades of torment and embarassment at the hands of foreign countries and armies because we were to damn nice and not forthcoming enough about our honor and respect!

[~Theta~]

I respect the fact that china has so much love towards all ethnicities including mongolians but we can give them respect without putting up a statue of genghis khan and glorifying his killing sprees. Would a jewish person build a statue of hitler just because he was a great leader? NO, would america put up a statue of bin laden just because he was a clever strategist and mastermind?No. so why should we put up a statue of genghis khan just because people were impressed by his so called feats??? You'll never convince me that this is right I feel this is throwing our pride and dignity out the window and spitting on the graves of those that were raped killed and starved to death by this lunatic. Theres also that danger of the double standard that we give to the japanese but not to the mongolians. How foolish does it make us look when we constantly harp on them about the atrocities of WW2 when they killed 400,000 people but yet when it comes to a person who killed millions of chinese people we build a damn statue in his honor?? Where is the common sense in that? As far as Im concerned anybody or country that has ever raped and invaded our country and killed does not deserve this kind of recognition and I find it infuriating that people would do this. Its 2006 when are we going to learn to stop embarassing ourselves and start setting our eyes on the bigger prizes in life like respect and longevity instead of the decades of torment and embarassment at the hands of foreign countries and armies because we were to damn nice and not forthcoming enough about our honor and respect!

I totally understand where you're coming from, but wasn't there a Mongolian long-lasting dynasty that was once established in China before? Perhaps that's the reason why.

[education]

I don't know and quite frankly I don't care. Recently I heard that Siberia or some other country put up a statue of bruce lee in honor of his memory of him and here we are (China) is putting up a statue of (Genghis Khan) sombody who I perceive to be lower then bug s*it and we don't even have a statue of the greatest martial artist who ever lived. Somebody who lived and died representing our people and country. Really f*cked up and disrespectful. I know alot of chinese people including myself who would DONATE personal money to have a statue of Bruce Lee erected in china and rightfully so as well as all the other great chinese historians and political figures who have made a difference in our history instead of wasting our land, space, time and effort on some punk who didn't think twice about shooting an arrow in a babies face. Whats wrong with our world nowadays?

This post has been edited by education: Feb 20 2006, 02:05 PM

[~Theta~]

I don't know and quite frankly I don't care. Recently I heard that Siberia or some other country put up a statue of bruce lee in honor of his memory of him and here we are china is putting up a statue of sombody who I perceive to be lower then bug s*it and we don't even have a staute of the greatest martial artist who ever live who lived and died representing our people and country. Really f*cked up and disrespectful. I know alot of chinese people including myself who would DONATE personal money to have a statue of Bruce Lee erected in china and rightfully so as well as all the other great chinese historians and political figures who have made a difference in our history.

Agree, agree. I would be willing to donate any amount of money that I could afford for a statue of Bruce Lee or any other historical figure who deserves it. Hey, do you know if any Bruce Lee museums exist in Hong Kong/Mainland China?

[Kang Xi]

Being 50% ethnic Mongol, 50% Han, and 100% Chinese...

I do believe that Ghengis Khan is Chinese in the "Da Zhonghua" concept. All various 55 ethnic groups are intrinsic to the history of modern China.

[education]

Sometimes I worry about the mentality and priorities of chinese people. If I was prime minister of china there would be so many changes for the better heads will be spinning.

[~Theta~]

Sometimes I worry about the mentality and priorities of chinese people. If I was prime minister of china there would be so many changes for the better heads will be spinning.

The Chinese are just too diverse a group. It's very difficult to unite us all under a common belief. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_neutral.gif)

[SARAN]

actually genghis khan was born in the modern day inner mongolia, which makes his nationality chinese but ethnicity mongolian

not totally sure tho

what a lie! who told you that Chingis Khan was born in Inner Mongolia? He was born in Outer Mongolia. 100% sure.

[education]

Maybe thats why we might never reach our potential as a country is because we are so divided among ourselves including mainland chinese HKers and Taiwan. Unlike japan who is totally united against one cause or one enemy who threatens there country some chinese people sometimes choose to stab each other in the backs instead of helping there fellow brothers and sisters and thats why we are a mess boiled in a confrontation over taiwan when it shouldn't even be happening. If this keeps up we will never be known as the true dragon of the east but only as the dragon that never quite reached the top of the pinnacle and thats whats sad about all this is that united we are strong.

[chynagongju]

Agree, agree. I would be willing to donate any amount of money that I could afford for a statue of Bruce Lee or any other historical figure who deserves it. Hey, do you know if any Bruce Lee museums exist in Hong Kong/Mainland China?

There's a Bruce Lee statue on the Star Walk in HK.

[education]

^Big deal he deserves one right smack in the middle of china not just on some street corner. America has statues all over washington with people that made there country great like george washinton and abraham lincoln and we put up a statue of genghis khan if thats not a cause for concern I don't know what is.

[Bamboos]

Agree, agree. I would be willing to donate any amount of money that I could afford for a statue of Bruce Lee or any other historical figure who deserves it. Hey, do you know if any Bruce Lee museums exist in Hong Kong/Mainland China?

You guys should not elevate a hongkong actress who even could take care of himself properly; dyed young to Genghis level. Genghis had thousands of brucelees as foot soldiers for himself. Chinese built mauseloeum for genghis boot which is in Nei Menggu. Thanks to Kublai grandson of GEnghis CHina is big. Thanks to Nurchachi China is big. Thanks to Mao CHina is proud. Thanks to Den china is rich.
Why should china built something for Hongkong immigrant?

[education]

^LOL are you implying that genghis khans army had individuals that were on par with BRUCE LEE.LOL now I knnow your crazy. Genghis khan himself would not have won in a fight against bruce. And it doesn't matter whether its HK or Taiwan CHINESE IS CHINESE. GO home and stop talking smack.

[Bamboos]

^LOL are you implying that genghis khans army had individuals that were on par with BRUCE LEE.LOL now I knnow your crazy. Genghis khan himself would not have won in a fight against bruce. And it doesn't matter whether its HK or Taiwan CHINESE IS CHINESE. GO home and stop talking smack.

hihihhihihi,
Genghis would need to box with that BRUISE. That boxer did not care about china at all, He married white. his child did not care china too

[~Theta~]

what a lie! who told you that Chingis Khan was born in Inner Mongolia? He was born in Outer Mongolia. 100% sure.

Yup, he was born in Northern Mongolia and died in Northern China.

Maybe thats why we might never reach our potential as a country is because we are so divided among ourselves including mainland chinese HKers and Taiwan. Unlike japan who is totally united against one cause or one enemy who threatens there country some chinese people sometimes choose to stab each other in the backs instead of helping there fellow brothers and sisters and thats why we are a mess boiled in a confrontation over taiwan when it shouldn't even be happening. If this keeps up we will never be known as the true dragon of the east but only as the dragon that never quite reached the top of the pinnacle and thats whats sad about all this is that united we are strong.

I guess there's just too many little things going on, distracting ourselves from the goal that we should really be trying to achieve. For one, people in China constantly have to worry about making enough money so that they don't starve because competition is fierce due to the huge population. Sometimes I just think, "heck why not let Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, etc. separate" from the Mainland. Maybe we should even let go of Taiwan. I've noticed that smaller countries such as Japan and Korea tend to do every well. However, I regain my rationality and then think, "oh heck no!" China will not be as strong and powerful as she is right today in the political community if we all started separating. Sure our economy may be hindered quite a bit, but it's not like it's not booming already.

[Bamboos]

Yup, he was born in Northern Mongolia and died in Northern China.
I guess there's just too many little things going on, distracting ourselves from the goal that we should really be trying to achieve. For one, people in China constantly have to worry about making enough money so that they don't starve because competition is fierce due to the huge population. Sometimes I just think, "heck why not let Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, etc. separate" from the Mainland. Maybe we should even let go of Taiwan. I've noticed that smaller countries such as Japan and Korea tend to do every well. However, I regain my rationality and then think, "oh heck no!" China will not be as strong and powerful as she is right today in the political community if we all started separating. Sure our economy may be hindered quite a bit, but it's not like it's not booming already.

CHina can delelope with these troublesome minorities. But China want to help them to come to level of Han brother. CHina is investing huge amount in highways in Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia. Chinese poors can be patient for time being.