GENGHIS KHAN, 800 th anniversary Options

[qlittlemon]

it's ok, no one here is claiming genghis khan a chinese.  even if the ccp claims him to be chinese for whatever reasons, everyone in this world knows he's not just.  ;)

to anda: thanks for the info but um.....i think you misunderstood me. i'm not denying genghis khan is a hero. in my opinion, i do think he's a great conqueror and to some extent, he's even better than alexander. i was only saying that for many people, his name is less well-known than alexender.  ;)

GENGHIS KHAN was a GREAT EMPIRE BUILDER of his time,not just a conqueror.

[qlittlemon]

Genghis Khan was not a Chinese but his grandson Kublai Khan was a Chinese emperor.

That's right,A CHINESE EMPEROR is most appropriate since the family did ruled China.

[chilli21]

GENGHIS KHAN was a GREAT EMPIRE BUILDER of his time,not just a conqueror.

okay, okay. i knew that already. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)

by the way, are you a mongolian?

[freefallz]

Here is one TRIVIAL QUESTION .... If a male Asian American is elected to the office of US presidency ... would you call him AMERICAN PRESIDENT or Oriental MAN ? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2

That's an interesting analogy.

[Bamboos]

nothing so complicated...
He will be called

FIRST ORIENTAL PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

[qlittlemon]

okay, okay. i knew that already.  ;)

by the way, are you a mongolian?

NO .... I am Hakka-dialect speaking Han Chinese

I write my posts on HISTORIC FACTS regardless of nationality or race.

[出家人]

CHina can delelope with these troublesome minorities. But China want to help them to come to level of Han brother. CHina is investing huge amount in highways in Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia. Chinese poors can be patient for time being.

han brother??? Who you trying to kid, mongol? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/cool30.gif)

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e189/anda_mn/confucius.jpg
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Please stick to one account.

This post has been edited by 出家人: Feb 21 2006, 01:28 AM

[freefallz]

nothing so complicated...
He will be called

FIRST ORIENTAL PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

I don't think the Chinese government is claiming Gengis Khan's ethnicity to be chinese, but of nationality. Nationality is actually the major issue here and it's where the analogy becomes inadequate. The oriental man must have taken up the american nationality in order to be president. But hypothetically, such was not the case with Gengis Khan.

[qlittlemon]

nothing so complicated...
He will be called

FIRST ORIENTAL PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

You may flush it down the toilet as this wasn't given as a choice of 2 ONLY answers to my trivial question. -LAUGH2

[feiying]

Genghis Khan is the epitomy of China's decline. It was a Dark Age that our people have never really fully recovered from. Not since the Tang, have China reached outward. The Mongol and Manchu rulers have made us more "inward". You see this pathology more acute in northern China because they were the first to get hit. Many of the Cantonese are descended or partially descended from those waves of Tang and Song refugees who fled south because of people like Genghis Khan. Near my ancestral village in southern China Guangdong province, they have annual plays to remember how the last Song emperor boy fled south and was forced to die in the ocean. Every person with the surname "Jiu or Chiu" (Zhao in Mandarin) are required to pay homage because they shared the same name as those emperors. Also, why do we eat the mooncakes every year? Song General Yue Fei, Ming Emperor Yongle and Dr. Sun Yat-sen would have never approved of this celebrating Genghis Khan. It is a slap to our own face.

Bruce Lee have done much more for us Chinese. During the late 1960s-early 1970s, no one in America knew much about Chinese. They only had bad stereotypes via Charlie Chan films, Korean War and Vietnam War. China was still an isolated and hermit state back then. Bruce Lee was the only flame that kept Chinese pride alive back then. He pushed us to never look down again and to never accept our old status as the "Sick Man of Asia." Now you tell me if he or Genghis Khan did more for the Chinese??? Why is Bruce's statue not in the middle of the Forbidden City???

[出家人]

han brother??? Who you trying to kid, mongol? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/cool30.gif)

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http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showuser=37118
Please stick to one account.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showuser=40332

three people sharing the same photobucket account? lol I guess that's the reason there's so many Mongolians on AF (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2

[qlittlemon]

[quote=feiying,Feb 21 2006, 01:42 AM]
Genghis Khan is the epitomy of China's decline. It was a Dark Age that our people have never really fully recovered from. Not since the Tang, have China reached outward. The Mongol and Manchu rulers have made us more "inward". You see this pathology more acute in northern China because they were the first to get hit. Many of the Cantonese are descended or partially descended from those waves of Tang and Song refugees who fled south because of people like Genghis Khan. Near my ancestral village in southern China Guangdong province, they have annual plays to remember how the last Song emperor boy fled south and was forced to die in the ocean. Every person with the surname "Jiu or Chiu" (Zhao in Mandarin) are required to pay homage because they shared the same name as those emperors. Also, why do we eat the mooncakes every year? Song General Yue Fei, Ming Emperor Yongle and Dr. Sun Yat-sen would have never approved of this celebrating Genghis Khan. It is a slap to our own face.
Genghis Khan did more for the Chinese???

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I don't agree 100%,it's the Han Chinese who are inward people.It was Genghis Khan's imperial conquests expanded China's territories out to much of today's China Northwest/Xingjiang and Southwest/Yunan and Tibet.It's not to say we applaud pillages Mongol army commited by remembering him,but rather as a historic figure as an ANCIENT EMPIRE BUILDER on world stage of his time.

The historic fact is MANY bloody battles were fought out between Nomadic hordes of north and Han Chinese of Central Plains.Tang Dynasty was founded by Mongol tribe of mix heritage Xian Bei and Han,which brought GREATNESS to China.

PAST is PAST ..... bitterness can't re-write history. We can't live in the past,WE MUST LOOK FORWARD not backward as a people and as a country as China is trying hard to modernize.

This forum is Genghis Khan ... I rather not spend time write my 2cents on Manchu.

This post has been edited by qlittlemon: Feb 21 2006, 02:00 AM

[~Theta~]

Honestly, I'm getting so sick and tired of hearing aboug Mongolians and Manchus. Where the hell did the obsession with these two groups come from? I can understand if you're interested in the two groups, but to the point where you're always talking about them? God.

[Hawaii]

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three people sharing the same photobucket account? lol I guess that's the reason there's so many Mongolians on AF (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2

Wow are you sure? This is so funny (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2 , Anand, Anda and I had a conversation before, it would be strange if they are the same person but I don't think either of them are troll.

[qlittlemon]

Honestly, I'm getting so sick and tired of hearing aboug Mongolians and Manchus. Where the hell did the obsession with these two groups come from? I can understand if you're interested in the two groups, but to the point where you're always talking about them? God.

If that's the case..... WHY did you willingly slipped into this forum clearly titled Genghis Khan ????

I am sure there many other AF members take interest in Southeastern Asians forums,that's where you would find them constantly write up about same people tirelessly.

[~Theta~]

If that's the case..... WHY did you willingly slipped into this forum clearly titled Genghis Khan ????

I am sure there many other AF members take interest in Southeastern Asians forums,that's where you would find them constantly write up about same people tirelessly.

I'm interested in Genghis Khan as an individual, I don't go around constantly talking about Mongolians this, Mongolians that. Manchus this, Manchus that. Every thread you make, everything you post seems to have something to do with them. Either that, or Korean bashing.

[feiying]

glittlemon and others,

First the Tang were descended from Li Guang, a famous Han Dynasty general who beat Xiongnu in every battle. After fall of Han Dynasty, this family remained in northern China and was forced to intermarry with the Toba Wei and Xianbei. They married the women from one clan (Dugu) which was one of the ruling clan of former Xiongnu. This was not Xianbei tribe. Other Chinese families held hostage at that time (such as Sima) were also forced to marry the women of nomadic kings. But, the Tang brought back some kind of honor to Han Chinese that was lost after the fall of Han Dynasty.

After fall of Tang Dynasty, China slipped into weakness and chaos again. The Mongol and Manchu rule accentuated that because they were the only foreigners to rule all of China. Mongols only 79 years, but it was really the Manchu over 200 years that made the Han Chinese never dare to 'look up.' Chinese during the Han and Tang Dynasty were more proud and masculine. They 'looked up.' That kind of spirit only remained in southern regions far, far away from the nomadic invaders reach. That is why revolutions and reform often come from the south. We retained the Tang and earlier ancient spirits.

If any of you are of Cantonese origin, please go visit Guangdong. Ask the guides in Guangzhou for a bus up to Nanxiong. You will see how our ancestors 900 years ago endured the hardships and moved south through Mei Ling pass through Zhujixiang. You see it still in the harsh conditions in those settlements. The evidence is still there. The nomads took away our "Tongsan (Tangshan)", but they could not take away our Tang spirit.

Just let the CCP celebrate Genghis Khan day for one day. The next day it is "business as usual." Back to work and back to "Chinese rule." (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)

[qlittlemon]

I'm interested in Genghis Khan as an individual, I don't go around constantly talking about Mongolians this, Mongolians that. Manchus this, Manchus that. Every thread you make, everything you post seems to have something to do with them. Either that, or Korean bashing.

Then,go pay homage to Genghis Khan's imperial tomb in Out Mongolia there they are having ALL OUT celebration.

Not exactly,I wrote a few posts on other topics.I do have my personal interest,so you MIND YOU OWN BUSINESS.This website doesn't requires you read every member's posts ... BUTT-OFF

Unlike some other postes with one line punch,I've written mostly educational informative posts.

[qlittlemon]

I'm interested in Genghis Khan as an individual, I don't go around constantly talking about Mongolians this, Mongolians that. Manchus this, Manchus that. Every thread you make, everything you post seems to have something to do with them. Either that, or Korean bashing.

%$&* BASHING ... itched you ? ,then go eat their version of German Saurkraut something they proclaimed as a possible cure for China's SAR epidemic or unknown infected disease for foreign-lover self-hater like you ( former president of Taiwan is one example ).

[Jt (mongolian)]

%$&* BASHING ... itched you ? ,then go eat their version of German Saurkraut something they proclaimed as a possible cure for China's SAR epidemic or unknown infected disease for foreign-lover self-hater like you ( former president of Taiwan is one example ).

this topic should be on mgl forum
fu-king CHN (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)