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samsparky
post Apr 7 2006, 08:00 AM
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QUOTE (pun187 @ Apr 7 2006, 10:52 PM) *
Without evidence,YES!!! But in Hitlers case we have documents,videos and Eye witnesses as evidences so NO!!!


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post Apr 7 2006, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE (pun187 @ Apr 7 2006, 08:26 PM) *
Your following blindly if you think that Hitler was an atheist,just bc most of the ppl believe it.Now If you'd like to find the truth you'll investigate and read atleast "Mein Kampf" If you do so, you'll find out that Hitler was a Bible believing Christian,not only but he used Christianity to justify the evil he did against Jews and other ppl!
You could also look at the pictures taken of him shaking hands with the Pope.

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with Islam, though.




Sorry for butting in, but I appreciate there being a thread dedicated to explaining Islam, and providing a place for members to talk.
Whether or not I am able to contribute, I don't want to see it go to waste, either.



Thanks for all that you've posted so far, pun. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

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post Apr 7 2006, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE (pun187 @ Apr 7 2006, 01:26 PM) *
No! following blindly does not contain the Quran,but the Hadith,some of them were written ca. 200 years after the death of the Prophet (PBUH) and some of them contain even contradictions in it.So you have to verify them trough the Quran.Or you can't believe blindly in stories like"the Prophet(PBUH) met a "Jinn" from the time of Jesus(PBUH)" without verifying them trough the hadith or the Quran.

Will they not, then, try to understand this Qur’an? Had it issued from any but God, they would surely have found in it many an inner contradiction!(4:82)

This Verse shows that anything which is not in the Quran will have contradictions since the Quran was "divinely inspired". The Hadith has been shown to contain contradictions that either go against the Quran or don't follow it in some way.We're warned against it in the Holy Quran.

credits to ATL for providing us with the Verse and the last passage of my post.


so muslims must follow the word of the Quran unquestioningly and wholeheartedly, but should approach the Hadith with caution? (sorry, Quran is not the same as Hadith?)
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post Apr 7 2006, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE (shiro @ Apr 7 2006, 04:48 PM) *
You could also look at the pictures taken of him shaking hands with the Pope.

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with Islam, though.
Sorry for butting in, but I appreciate there being a thread dedicated to explaining Islam, and providing a place for members to talk.
Whether or not I am able to contribute, I don't want to see it go to waste, either.
Thanks for all that you've posted so far, pun. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

LOL it has nothing to do with Islam (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) but it was an example for blindly following someone or something.
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post Apr 7 2006, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (samsparky @ Apr 6 2006, 10:23 PM) *
Once you are sure that it is authentic - you do not question the Prophet or God!!
THAT is what astray is.

The Prophet didn't only convey the Qur'aan and Hadeeth, he also explained.

He did not say to the Companions - go off and understand it your own way, he made sure they understood it the right way.


For us, at this moment in time, surely we cannot question the Prophet and especially not God because the Prophet is not here anymore and God, well that's just too obvious...

But at the time, hearing about the stories of how the Prophet's character was, I don't think it's too far-fetched to believe that he will be open to questions about Islam as long as the intent of the questioner was to sincerely understand his faith better. Not for duplicitous purposes. Even if the questioner was duplicitious, I think he might've given them the benefit of the doubt and allowed him freedom to question and enlightened him with his answers, hopefully the answers the Prophet gives will instead turn his heart the other way, and the duplicitous questioner ends up embracing Islam.

I believe the Prophet is more open-minded than many Muslims here today.

What I meant by our own understanding is not an understanding without guidance from others, but if we are able to grasp the meaning of our religion for ourselves then we are better able to embrace our religion instead of taking it lightly...or as something merely passed down from our parents.

Guiding someone towards enlightenment does not mean just spoon-feeding them religious dogmas...especially as faith is not compulsory thus we should not teach it with compulsion.

Faith is not supposed to be embraced blindly, if we follow it blindly then the easier it is for us to be sanctimonious, self-righteous, extremists/fanatics, or fall into excessiveness.

The discourse occurring in this thread right now is a good way for all of us, Muslims or non-Muslims to better understand Islam better instead of just merely hearing the preachings of say an Imam. Because we are able to discuss it, put out our questions about it, and then analyze the input given to better understand it.

We cannot tell someone how to understand something, because each person will have their own way of understanding it.

Allah knows best what our true intent is, and if we are truly sincere then we will not go astray...
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post Apr 7 2006, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE (samsparky @ Apr 7 2006, 07:00 AM) *
There used to be a man called Hitler.

Am I following blindly by saying that?


As there "used to be man called Muhammed". The fact that these men exist cannot be refuted.

They were afterall once living and breathing individuals...they were not spiritual beings.

BUT the actions/sayings/behaviors of these individuals, if we just adhere to them, believe in whatever they say/do as right without question, without further research, without further analysis, simply because others are doing it, or it's the fad, or you are scared of other's reactions if you don't follow them, or others say it's the right thing to do then THAT is following a Muhammed/Jesus/Hitler/even a Bush blindly.

Many Germans during WWII followed Hitler blindly because they were afraid, they did not want to disrupt the status quo, questions about his actions were not permitted and those who did question him were put in jail/killed.

To say that "there used to be a man called Hitler" is not something that requires faith, thus it cannot be something that someone 'follows blindly' because it's fact. The basis of religion is faith because it relies on us to understand something more in a spiritual level like say the existence of God. We can neither prove or disprove His existence we only have faith that God exists or does not exist. God is not something we can measure or analyze, to color with our own crayons what He really looks like, because we do not know.

As people of faith we "believe", to "know" is for God. We don't know if Heaven or Hell truly exists, we believe. We don't know if the path we have chosen will lead us to Heaven, we only believe. We don't know if our path is the right one, we only believe. We don't know if God exists, we believe.

Only God can truly know those things...
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post Apr 7 2006, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (samsparky @ Apr 7 2006, 07:33 AM) *
Following the Prophet is not blind - why? because he was supported with miracles that can not be discredited.

Hence, if following the Prophet is not blind, then following what he says is not blind either.
why? because you have good reason to follow it - he is a Prophet of God.


As we did not live in the times of the Prophets, we are not able to experience the miracles of any of the Prophets ourselves. We rely on historical documentation (if they exist) and our religious texts to provide us with information as to the miracles of the Prophets. How accurate these documentations or texts are, how much truth is in them, is quite debatable.

If one believes that the miracles occurred and one does not, does it mean that one person is more right than the other?? If a miracle was documented in historical records or in religious texts, and another was not, does it mean that the one recorded actually happened and the one that didn't never occurred?

Many people say Muhammed did not write the Qur'an, he was dillusional, he was psychotic, more influenced by himself than a higher being. Does this mean that our faith in him is wrong?

Even non-religious historical documents requires a bit of faith to believe in them because we rely our knowledge on what the author has written down for us since we were not there to bear witness to the incidents that occurred. There is always a possibility that something was left out, intentionally or not, and thus we might not truly have an accurate picture of what happened in the past.

Unless we have experienced it directly, are witnesses, then what we know is truly just a matter of faith on the authorities who provide us with the resources to attain such knowledge. Most especially in matters of religion...

Thus Muhammed's Prophethood or miracles, if they are true, cannot be discredited or made false because others say so; and reversely, cannot be credited or made true simply because we believe in it.

The only ones who know for sure are his followers during that time, Muhammed himself, and God. All we have is faith that they did happen, that he is the Prophet of God, and faith that they didn't happen and that he wasn't a prophet of God...
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post Apr 7 2006, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE (pancaindera @ Apr 7 2006, 01:13 PM) *
so muslims must follow the word of the Quran unquestioningly and wholeheartedly, but should approach the Hadith with caution? (sorry, Quran is not the same as Hadith?)


Many say approach the Hadith with caution because it was written by the followers of Muhammed years after his death, and mostly about Muhammed's perceptions/actions/sayings.

The Qur'an, we believe, is the Word of God.

That is the difference between the Qur'an and the Hadith. And because the Qur'an is believed to be the Word of God , if anything in the Hadiths contradict the Qur'an then we should ultimately follow the Qur'an...

And as a Muslim, I feel that it's best if we don't embrace an unquestioning (wholeheartedly yes though hehe) approach to understanding/learning about Islam. This tends to lead us astray and to blind faith that can lead to fanaticism/extremism, sanctimonious/self-righteous attitudes, excessiveness (I know I am repeating myself (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) sorry he he)

btw, salam kenal (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)

and salam to samsparky, tanga, pun, and shiro too! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)
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^ thanks for your explanation aisyah. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

i partuicularly like your view that ppl (especially muslims) should not be unquestioning when approaching islam, but apply a bit of common sense on what is God's will, while being wholehearted at the same time. probably applies to other religions as well, particularly christianity.

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post Apr 8 2006, 12:18 AM
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pun:

You said that believing that a Hitler did exist is not blind because there are documents, videos and eyewitnesses.

I'll fix it up for you a bit. Video evidence is not enough because you know these days...

Documents and eyewitnesses - that's only useful if the people are trustworthy OR so many people narrated the same news so that it no longer makes sense to question the truth of the news because it is illogical to accuse that many people of lying about there being a Hitler.

In THAT case, believing that news would be the logical thing to do and would not be classified as blindly following.

Now, there is something that you all need to know about Hadeeth classifications.

There is a classification system for the collection of the Prophets sayings and actions and what happened.

For example, if a Hadeeth is classed as Mutawaatir it means that so many people narrated the same happening in the same way in a way that it would be illogical not to believe them. Similar to believeing that there was a Hitler.

Believing in the truth of such a Hadeeth is not blind but actually is the logical thing to do.

There are other Hadeeth classifications less than mutawaatir.

Some involve 3 Companions narrating the Hadeeth from the Prophet to 3 other trustworthy people, to 3 other trustworthy people, etc.

The traits of people were also documented by many scholars - e.g. whether they were forgetful or had ever lied in their life or committed sins.

Hence, the Hadeeth is a big science that has not just been neglected. But your doubts are because of your lack of contact with those who take the knowledge from the knowledgable before them all the way until they reach the Companions and the Prophet.

aisyah:

The re-iteration of your statement - You know what, you are talking about bin laaden and his followers. When people like bin laaden talk, their followers just accept it as true - no questions asked. If their followers had actually been seeking Religious Knowledge the proper way, they would not have gone to people like bin laaden. why? because people like bin laaden are not following the Prophet's way. Not following how the Companions taught Islaam, not following how the taabi^oon took it from the Companions, not following how the Khalaf took it from the Salaf and not following how the true scholars of today took it from those before them. If they were, they would not have adopted such misunderstandings of Islaam and would not have gone suicide bombing innocent people.

It might be said, such ideas deviating from the true teachings of Islaam might have arisen because of lack of adherance to the authentic chain of knowledge that runs back to the Prophet. They might have arisen because of going off on their own and making their own so-called understanding. THAT is what you should be saying is the cause of deviants and radicals. NOT those who adhere to the true teachings of Prophet MuHammad by learning it through those he taught.
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aisyah again:

Please be clear that there is not writing without a writer, there is no building without a builder, hence there is no creation without the Creator. That is sound intellect. That is the proof.

God, the Creator is Attributed with non-resemblance to the creations. Surat ash-Shooraa, Ayah 11 means: [There is absolutely nothing like Him and He is attributed with Hearing and Sight.]

What does that mean? It means that God's Attributes are not like ours. His Hearing and Sight are unimaginable.

No attribute of the creation is attributed to Him, as Imaam Abu Ja^far at-TaHaawiyy, a reknown scholar of the first 300 Hijriyy years reinforced by saying in the creed he wrote:

"And whoever attributes to Allaah an attribute of the creations is a blasphemer."

Why did he say that? Because such a person is not worshipping the Creator but rather is worshipping something they imagined in their mind and that is shirk (worshipping other than God).

Hence, we must be firm that the things that apply to us like ears, eyes, direction, place, beginning and end do NOT apply to the Creator of all these things.

We do not attribute shape to God or size. We do not attribute to Him body or colour.

We do not attribute to Him form or structure or being made of parts because all those attributes are attributes that the specification of the creations are based on.

All those attributes apply to creations and not to the Creator. That is logic and that is from the Qur'aan and that is from the Hadeeth and from the Companions sayings, and the sayings of the top scholars.

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QUOTE (samsparky @ Apr 8 2006, 06:18 AM) *
The re-iteration of your statement - You know what, you are talking about bin laaden and his followers. When people like bin laaden talk, their followers just accept it as true - no questions asked. If their followers had actually been seeking Religious Knowledge the proper way, they would not have gone to people like bin laaden. why? because people like bin laaden are not following the Prophet's way. Not following how the Companions taught Islaam, not following how the taabi^oon took it from the Companions, not following how the Khalaf took it from the Salaf and not following how the true scholars of today took it from those before them. If they were, they would not have adopted such misunderstandings of Islaam and would not have gone suicide bombing innocent people.

It might be said, such ideas deviating from the true teachings of Islaam might have arisen because of lack of adherance to the authentic chain of knowledge that runs back to the Prophet. They might have arisen because of going off on their own and making their own so-called understanding. THAT is what you should be saying is the cause of deviants and radicals. NOT those who adhere to the true teachings of Prophet MuHammad by learning it through those he taught.


sorry, i have another question, a bit off topic, but still related. this question is for muslims (assuming that u are all moderate, peaceful muslims):

what are your opinions on these 'people like bin laaden', suicide bombers, etc ? basically, as you said, those that have 'deviated' from the true teachings of Islaam ? can you agree with me that these ppl (probably as some muslims claim, are not representative of the whole muslim population) are tarnishing the image of Islam ? what are you going to do about these ppl, as a follower of the true teaching of Islam ? or is there nothing much a moderate muslim can do to change these fanatic/extremists/fundamentalists ?
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QUOTE (pancaindera @ Apr 7 2006, 11:47 PM) *
^ thanks for your explanation aisyah. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

i partuicularly like your view that ppl (especially muslims) should not be unquestioning when approaching islam, but apply a bit of common sense on what is God's will, while being wholehearted at the same time. probably applies to other religions as well, particularly christianity.

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Salaam my fellow friends. This clan is really thoughtful, so far no trolls! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

We are all of the same track even if our expressions may differ, or our faiths may be different. Since the clan welcomes non-muslims, I hope you won't mind if we also highlight some of the succinct teachings from other faiths on how to approach religious doctrines. There is this beautiful explanation offered by a monk from Vietnam on the way to approach the core of all faiths and to be aware if we are going off course.

Don't mistake the finger for the moon.
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post Apr 8 2006, 06:11 AM
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QUOTE (pancaindera @ Apr 8 2006, 12:03 PM) *
sorry, i have another question, a bit off topic, but still related. this question is for muslims (assuming that u are all moderate, peaceful muslims):

what are your opinions on these 'people like bin laaden', suicide bombers, etc ? basically, as you said, those that have 'deviated' from the true teachings of Islaam ? can you agree with me that these ppl (probably as some muslims claim, are not representative of the whole muslim population) are tarnishing the image of Islam ? what are you going to do about these ppl, as a follower of the true teaching of Islam ? or is there nothing much a moderate muslim can do to change these fanatic/extremists/fundamentalists ?

What does Islam say about suicide Bombers ? about killing innocent ppl ? hmm...The killing of innocent civilians by suicide bombers and terrorists is strongly condemned in the Quran.Islam does not permit anyone to commit suicide whatever the reason might! This is a very unislamic practice.Ppl who commit these horrible acts are clearly not muslims,rather very evil people who try to justify their hatred and actions by using God's name.

QUOTE (Chapter 4(Al-Nisa) Verse 29)
O you who believe, do not consume each others' properties illicitly - only mutually acceptable transactions are permitted.You shall not kill yourselves. GOD is Merciful towards you.


I'll repeat myself again Islam strictly forbids the killing of innocent ppl.The Holy quran says that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors.Aggression is totally forbidden.Fighting is permitted only in self-defence.God repeats "do not aggress" multiple times in the Holy quran.Only if someone is attacked,one is permitted to fight back.If the other party refrains from aggression and offers one peace,the Muslims are told to stop fighting.

QUOTE (Chapter 2(Al-Baqarah) Verse 190-193)
190. You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you,but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.
191. You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers.
192. If they refrain, then GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
193. You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely.If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.


But even in times of war,a Muslim is not allowed to kill women, old people, children, or even a monk in his religious seclusion.Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) instructed the Muslims not to harm any tree or destroy any crop.He also instructed Muslims not to kill any enemy soldier who is not carrying a weapon.

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post Apr 8 2006, 06:27 AM
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QUOTE (pun187 @ Apr 8 2006, 02:11 PM) *
What does Islam say about suicide Bombers ? about killing innocent ppl ? hmm...The killing of innocent civilians by suicide bombers and terrorists is strongly condemned in the Quran.Islam does not permit anyone to commit suicide whatever the reason might! This is a very unislamic practice.Ppl who commit these horrible acts are clearly not muslims,rather very evil people who try to justify their hatred and actions by using God's name.
I'll repeat myself again Islam strictly forbids the killing of innocent ppl.The Holy quran says that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors.Aggression is totally forbidden.Fighting is permitted only in self-defence.God repeats "do not aggress" multiple times in the Holy quran.Only if someone is attacked,one is permitted to fight back.If the other party refrains from aggression and offers one peace,the Muslims are told to stop fighting.
But even in times of war,a Muslim is not allowed to kill women, old people, children, or even a monk in his religious seclusion.Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) instructed the Muslims not to harm any tree or destroy any crop.He also instructed Muslims not to kill any enemy soldier who is not carrying a weapon.


We all know that Islam forbids the innocent killings. But where I live there has been several suicide bomb attacks both in Nairobi and Mombasa. Al Qaida cells are reputed to be along the Somali-Kenya coasts. Many kenyan muslims here have discussed the mind sets of the suicide bombers.

Basically, when the suicide bombers decide to carry out their mission, it's based on the fact that they are acting out of self-defence because they feel that the ummas all over the world have been provoked too much by the encroachment of western powers in their lands and resources.

Secondly, although the Quran prohibits innocent killiings, the suicide bombers feel that if they are wrong in this mission, only Allah can judge them on the day of reckoning, no one else can judge them.

With these fundamental reasoning, people will go on committing errors and barbarities in the name of religion. Unless of course, a leader of the muslim world can come up and denounce such ideas as delusional reasoning that goes against the Holy Qu'ran.

But you won't find such a leader, not unless the christians come up with their own leader to say where they've gone wrong too.
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QUOTE (pancaindera @ Apr 8 2006, 07:03 PM) *
sorry, i have another question, a bit off topic, but still related. this question is for muslims (assuming that u are all moderate, peaceful muslims):

what are your opinions on these 'people like bin laaden', suicide bombers, etc ? basically, as you said, those that have 'deviated' from the true teachings of Islaam ? can you agree with me that these ppl (probably as some muslims claim, are not representative of the whole muslim population) are tarnishing the image of Islam ? what are you going to do about these ppl, as a follower of the true teaching of Islam ? or is there nothing much a moderate muslim can do to change these fanatic/extremists/fundamentalists ?


People like bin laaden have indeed deviated from the true teachings of Islaam. But what do you think is the reason that such people can actually convince themselves that what they are doing is justified?

I will tell you.

Such people did not only deviate from the true teachings of Islaam in the rules - they actually deviated in the matters of belief. Most of them have an image in their mind which they worship. Their belief in their Creator is incorrect. They failed to have that base to build up from. They failed to use their sound intellect to realise that it is impossible that the Creator resembles the creation.

Hence, they have a metaphorical black cover on their hearts. As it might be said, they switched off their minds and their feelings and made themselves comfortable with killing the innocent - whether Muslims or non-Muslims.

I'm telling you these people don't care about Islaam and the mainstream Muslims. They think they are the only Muslims.

These people are constantly warned against by the true Muslims. We want to name them and shame them because they do not represent Muslims.
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QUOTE (tangawizi @ Apr 8 2006, 12:08 PM) *
Salaam my fellow friends. This clan is really thoughtful, so far no trolls! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

We are all of the same track even if our expressions may differ, or our faiths may be different. Since the clan welcomes non-muslims, I hope you won't mind if we also highlight some of the succinct teachings from other faiths on how to approach religious doctrines. There is this beautiful explanation offered by a monk from Vietnam on the way to approach the core of all faiths and to be aware if we are going off course.

Don't mistake the finger for the moon.


thats interesting and a very useful idea (to achieve peace and harmony). full of goodness (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

and thanks for the answers pun187 & samsparky. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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Merits of Seeking Religious Knowledge


Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds, to Him belong the endowments and proper commendations.

May Allaah increase the honour of Prophet MuHammad, Sallallaahu ^alayhi wa sallam, raise his rank, and protect the Prophet’s nation from what he (Prophet MuHammad) fears for it.

Thereafter;

Allaah, the Exalted, praised the status of knowledge in Surat al-Mujaadalah, Ayah 11:


يَرْفَعِ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مِنكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ دَرَجَاتٍ


It means: [Allaah raises the ranks of those amongst you who believed and acquired the knowledge.]

Moreover, Allaah revealed to Prophet MuHammad, Sallallaahu ^alayhi wa sallam, to praise the status of knowledge, its teachers and its students.

Ibn Maajah related that the Prophet said:

<<O Abu Dharr, if you go and learn one verse of the Qur’aan it will be more rewardable for you than praying 100 rak^ahs of the optional prayers; and if you go and learn a chapter of knowledge, it is more rewardable for you than praying 1000 rak^ahs of the optional prayers. >>

Al-Bukhaariyy related that the Prophet, Sallallaahu ^alayhi wa sallam, said:

<<When the [Muslim] son of Adam dies, his deeds stop except for three: a charity resulting in a continuing benefit, knowledge benefiting others, and a pious offspring making supplication to Allaah for him. >>

The Obligatory Knowledge of the Religion is that portion of the Knowledge of the Religion which every accountable person is obligated to learn.

The one who is ignorant of the Obligatory Knowledge of the Religion cannot be certain that one is performing any of the acts of worship – like prayers, purification, Hajj, or Zakaah – in a valid manner.

Moreover, one cannot be sure one is clear of committing any of the sins, e.g., the sins of the heart, hands, tongue, ear, eye, body, private parts, abdomen, foot, etc.

If one wants to truly follow the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, one has to first learn the Obligatory Knowledge of the Religion then implement it.


The one who seeks to acquire the knowledge of the Religion should not rush to just gather a lot of information.

Rather, one needs to go as slowly as is necessary for oneself to be careful and cautious in absorbing and comprehending the material.

Az-Zuhriyy, one of the scholars among the followers of the Companions (taabi^oon) said:

(مَنْ طَلَبَ الحَدِيثَ جُمْلَةً فَاتَهُ جُمْلَةً)


It means: “The one who seeks the entire knowledge of the Hadeeth all at once misses that knowledge in its entirety.”

By his statement, he meant that one should acquire this knowledge in steps—in a way to be sure that one comprehends it.

It is the habit of the scholars to first explain a subject or a book by defining its terms, without giving much detail or mentioning many of the exceptions, and sometimes without mentioning all the restrictions involved regarding some matters.

This is to enable the student to absorb the core of the material and to understand it.

The next time they explain, they may give a more in-depth explanation if they see the student has thoroughly comprehended the material, and so on.

In this context, Imaam al-Bukhaariyy said that some scholars explained the term, “rabbaaniyyeen*” to mean those who raise (teach) the people at first with the simple matters of the Religion, then later in more depth.

*In general rabbaaniyy means العالم العامل i.e., a scholar who implements his knowledge.


Seeking the Knowledge of the Religion entails a great reward.

At-tirmidhiyy related that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

((مَنْ خَرَجَ فِى طَلَبِ العِلْمِ فَهُوَ فِى سَبِيلِ اللهِ حَتَّى يَرْجِعَ))


It means: <<The reward of the one who goes out seeking the Knowledge is similar to the reward of the one who fights for the sake of Allaah, and this is until one returns to one’s home. >>

Hence, the reward of the one who goes out seeking the Knowledge of the Religion is similar to the reward of the Mujaahid* for the sake of Allaah.

*The Mujaahid is the one who fights for the sake of Allaah.

Among the different levels in Paradise, there are one hundred (100) levels specified for those who fight for the sake of Allaah.

Between one of these ranks and the next is a distance like the distance between the Earth and the sky.

This is why Imaam ash-Shaafi^iyy said:

(طَلَبُ العِلْمِ أَفْضَلُ مِنْ صَلَاةِ النَّافِلَةِ)


It means: “Seeking the Knowledge of the Religion is more rewardable than performing the optional prayer.”


This is why it has been said:


(تَعْلِيمُ النَّاسِ العِلْمَ أَفْضَلُ من تَوزِيعِ المَالِ عليهم)


It means: “Spreading the Knowledge among the people is better or more important than distributing money among them.”

With the Knowledge of the Religion, one fights the devils among the humans and the jinn, and one can fight his own evil inclinations.

*For Qur'aanic text online:
www.talkaboutislam.com/Koran/

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