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[pun187]

as'salamalaikum warahmatullahe wabarakatohu

thnx for the invitation afif & gula jawa LOL what should I say (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Im a Muslim, so let me join!!! hehe

For all those who are interested in Islam (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Ill show u guys one of the biggest difference between Islam and other religions (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . A Jew believes only in the prophets of Israel,a Christian believes in Jesus Christ(PBUH) and to a lesser degree,in the prophets of Israel,a Buddhist believes only in Buddha(PBUH) and a Zoroastrian in Zoroaster(PBUH), a Hindu in the sages who appeared in India and a Confucian in Confucius(PBUH).But a Muslim believes in all these prophets! and also in the prophethood of Muhammad, peace be upon him.Some "Hardcore christians" from the D/P/R forum asked me Why Im using Buddha(PBUH) as my avatar LOL I hope ur question is answered now (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by pun187: Apr 4 2006, 08:35 AM

[Happy Asian]

I find Islam a very friendly religion once I get to learn about it, and I like it.

[lilco]

im a muslim can i join

[tengkuafif]

as'salamalaikum warahmatullahe wabarakatohu

thnx for the invitation afif & gula jawa LOL what should I say (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Im a Muslim, so let me join!!! hehe

For all those who are interested in Islam (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Ill show u guys one of the biggest difference between Islam and other religions (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . A Jew believes only in the prophets of Israel,a Christian believes in Jesus Christ(PBUH) and to a lesser degree,in the prophets of Israel,a Buddhist believes only in Buddha(PBUH) and a Zoroastrian in Zoroaster(PBUH), a Hindu in the sages who appeared in India and a Confucian in Confucius(PBUH).But a Muslim believes in all these prophets! and also in the prophethood of Muhammad, peace be upon him.Some "Hardcore christians" from the D/P/R forum asked me Why Im using Buddha(PBUH) as my avatar LOL I hope ur question is answered now (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

It's an honour to have you in this society,pun187!
Welcome,welcome. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)
P/S:It would be great if you can invite Muslim debaters from the Debate,Philosophy and Religion Forum to join this society.(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

im a muslim can i join

Alhamdulillah.
You're in! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

This post has been edited by tengkuafif: Apr 4 2006, 09:59 AM

[aisyah]

Thank you for inviting me tengkuafif. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)

[pun187]

It's an honour to have you in this society,pun187!
Welcome,welcome. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)
P/S:It would be great if you can invite Muslim debaters from the Debate,Philosophy and Religion Forum to join this society.(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)
Alhamdulillah.
You're in! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

I already did it (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[gula_jawa]

Attention:
Those who know about Islam, please come and help us to explain about
this great religion.

Perhatian:
Kepada mereka yang mengetahui tentang Islam, sila datang dan bantu kami menerangkan tentang agama yang hebat ini.

yes it would be nice for the muslims to explain about Islam in aspect where they have knowledge about.

PS: to all my sisters and brothers out there...as we know talking about Islam is not a trival and small matter.... its something very important.. and we will be held accountantable on the day of judgement on whatever we say and do... so we have to becareful as to what we say.

....so i urge u when u do explain and talk about Islam... plz use the Quran and authentic hadith of the prophet Muhammad ( may peace be upon him)... we SHOULD NOT.. add stuff or our opinion in as to what we think the answer might be or answer our questions based on our opinion and assumptions... and if we do not know a question our fellow AF members have asked us... we just simpley say .. ' i do not know'

.. since its better to remain silent in matter where we have no or little knowledge about then to say stuff which is not correct in Islam....so sis and bro just explain to our fellow AF memebers Islam how it really is.


thanx for da attention

and welcome all.

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[n4ce12]

as'salamalaikum warahmatullahe wabarakatohu

thnx for the invitation afif & gula jawa LOL what should I say (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Im a Muslim, so let me join!!! hehe

For all those who are interested in Islam (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Ill show u guys one of the biggest difference between Islam and other religions (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . A Jew believes only in the prophets of Israel,a Christian believes in Jesus Christ(PBUH) and to a lesser degree,in the prophets of Israel,a Buddhist believes only in Buddha(PBUH) and a Zoroastrian in Zoroaster(PBUH), a Hindu in the sages who appeared in India and a Confucian in Confucius(PBUH).But a Muslim believes in all these prophets! and also in the prophethood of Muhammad, peace be upon him.Some "Hardcore christians" from the D/P/R forum asked me Why Im using Buddha(PBUH) as my avatar LOL I hope ur question is answered now (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Very very interesting....is this actually true?

I found the belief of Confucius(PBUH), I am almost sure that Muhammad(PBUH) did not know of the existence of Confucius(PBUH). Lastly, just curious, is Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) actually the youngest prophet out of all these prophets?

[e_vaholic]

i'm coming to join you guys...
let islam spread the peace and the love for all people in this world!!

[tangawizi]

Every Prophet of Allah, ranging from Prophet Adam to the final Prophet, Muhammad (may peace and blessings be upon them all) never worshipped other than Allah....Allah protected them from blasphemy even before their prophethood they never even drank alcohol, or stole or committed fornication ETC. ... all the prophets of Allah before and during their prophethood were truthful and honourable.

Please don't think I am making trouble here, but who is Prophet Adam? Is he the same person mentioned in the bible with Eve?

If he is the same person, didn't he steal the apple and make out with Eve?

[pun187]

Very very interesting....is this actually true?

I found the belief of Confucius(PBUH), I am almost sure that Muhammad(PBUH) did not know of the existence of Confucius(PBUH). Lastly, just curious, is Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) actually the youngest prophet out of all these prophets?

LOL yes it is true (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Not every Prophet is mentioned by his name,but the teachings of the Holy Quran tell us that God sent Prophets to every nation, and quite a large number of them appeared all over the world, the ancient founders of these other religions too would have been Prophets and messengers of God.

Verily, We have sent thee with the Truth, as a bearer of glad tidings and as a Warner; and there is no people to whom a Warner has not been sent.

In fact, wherever there are people following a sacred scripture older than the Quran, their religious founders mentioned in those Books,are accepted as true prophets of God.You know Buddha(PBUH) is mentioned in the Holy Quran by the name of Dhul­-Kifl, meaning "man of Kifl", where Kifl is the Arabic form of the name Kapeel (the capital of a small state situated on the border of India and Nepal) Buddha(PBUH) not only belonged to Kapeel, but was many times referred to as being "Of Kapeel". This is exactly what is meant by the word "Dhul-Kifl" (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Apart from the evidence of the Quran, there is one reference from the hadith(tradition) reported from the Holy Prophet (PBUH) which speaks of an Indian prophet by name. In his words:
"There was a prophet of God in India who was dark in colour and his name was Kahan."
Now if u know atleast a lil bit about the history of Indian religions,you would immediately connect this description to Lord Krishna(PBUH), who is invariably described in the Hindu literature as being dark of complexion. Also, the title Kanhaya is added to his name Krishna(PBUH). Kanhaya contains the same consonants K,N,H as does the name Kahan.There is no denying the fact that the Holy Quran makes it incumbent on every Muslim not only to believe in all the prophets, but once again it also clearly informs us that in every region of the world and in every age, God did raise messengers and prophets.

ps: I really like the fact that u said (PBUH) after mentioning a prophets name (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) it means "Peace be upon him" (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by pun187: Apr 5 2006, 01:51 AM

[tangawizi]

I was just about to ask if Hindu deities are also considered as Prophets in the Holy Book of the Quran! Thanks for answering the question Pun! Peace be upon you.. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)

LOL yes it is true (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Not every Prophet is mentioned by his name,but the teachings of the Holy Quran tell us that God sent Prophets to every nation, and quite a large number of them appeared all over the world, the ancient founders of these other religions too would have been Prophets and messengers of God.
In fact, wherever there are people following a sacred scripture older than the Quran, their religious founders mentioned in those Books,are accepted as true prophets of God.You know Buddha(PBUH) is mentioned in the Holy Quran by the name of Dhul­-Kifl, meaning "man of Kifl", where Kifl is the Arabic form of the name Kapeel (the capital of a small state situated on the border of India and Nepal) Buddha(PBUH) not only belonged to Kapeel, but was many times referred to as being "Of Kapeel". This is exactly what is meant by the word "Dhul-Kifl" (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I think Kapeel meant Kapilavastu. According to legend, the Buddha, whose father ruled the state of Kapilavastu, was born nearby..

[samsparky]

Hi, how are you all?

I got news about weird stuff going around in this thread. When I looked, I realised how far away from knowledge some people have drifted. So far, that they have based their beliefs on things which contradict the basics.

I have a few points initially:

Firstly about Prophet Adam, the father of all humans. God created for him a wife (Eve). Prophet Adam was revealed to about how to live on the earth and about the names of all things. He believed in God. He was a Prophet - like all Prophets - protected from ever committing blasphemy and enormous sins. However, Prophets might commit small sins - such as the sin that Prophet Adam committed - however, they quickly repent from it. One thing to also note is that no Prophet ever commits a dirty sin, if you know what I mean.

Most of what I'm going to say now is mainly aimed at pun187.

The point that I want to make clear is that it is illogical that the Messengers of God were calling people to believe in different creeds. It is not only illogical but it also contradicts the Qur'aan.

Ayah 85 of Surat Al ^Imraan means that if one selects a religion other than Islaam, it will not be accepted from him.

Hence, the logical belief is to believe that all Messengers of God called to believe in God - and not to worship other than Him.

[pun187]

Most of what I'm going to say now is mainly aimed at pun187.

The point that I want to make clear is that it is illogical that the Messengers of God were calling people to believe in different creeds. It is not only illogical but it also contradicts the Qur'aan.

Ayah 85 of Surat Al ^Imraan means that if one selects a religion other than Islaam, it will not be accepted from him.

Hence, the logical belief is to believe that all Messengers of God called to believe in God - and not to worship other than Him.

as'salamalaikum warahmatullahe wabarakatohu

1st of all did you ever studied another religion besides Islam ??? I mean studied not practiced! If no,then I ask you,how can u say that these Prophets were "calling ppl to believe in different creeds" ??? you as a educated muslim should know that according to one saying of the prophet Mohammed the number of prophets who were chosen to convey the message of God to mankind is 124,000.The prophets always brought the same message of Pure Monotheism "there is only one god worship him",but the humans afterall changed the true message for their own favours.The names of all of them are not mentioned anywhere,but we have to belief in all the prophets and their messages is an integral part of the belief of every Muslim or we're doing Kuffr.

The Holy Quran states

This Messenger of Ours believes in that which has been revealed to him from his Lord, and so do the believers; all of them believe in Allah, and in His angels, and in His Books, and in His Messengers, saying, 'We make no distinction between any of His Messengers;and they say, 'We have heard and we are obedient. Our Lord, we implore Thy forgiveness, and to Thee is the returning.

So Wherever and to whichever ppl's prophets have been sent, they are our (Muslims) prophets as well, and we have to hold them in great reverence.


Now the Hadhrat Adam(PBUH) part ,he probably lived about 6,000 years ago.Most probably he was born in present day of Iraq. He is popularly believed to be the first man created by God upon earth. This view is, however, wrong! The world has passed through different cycles of creation and civilization, and Adam (PBUH) is the progenitor of the present human race,he's only the first link in the present cycle, and not the very first man in Gods creation. Nations have risen and fallen, civilizations have appeared and perished, and many other cycles of human civilization may have appeared and disappeared.It doesn't, however mean that the race, which lived b4 Adam (PBUH), was entirely swept away b4 he was born. Most likely, there had remained a small degenerated remnant of the old race and Adam(PBUH) was one of them. God then selected him to be the progenitor of a new race and the precursor of a new civilization.He was the first Prophet of God, and was raised for the guidance of mankind. God taught him the knowledge and made him leader of men.

This post has been edited by pun187: Apr 5 2006, 06:11 AM

[tangawizi]

I can see two divergent strains of interpretations here.

I would say pun187's interpretation is a pretty inclusive and humanistic acknowledging the truth of every major religion, while samsparky, while probably technically correct, is exclusive in beseeching the listener to surrender or else..

Are Hinduism, Buddhism prophetic religions? I can say for sure that Taoism and Confucianism are definitely not prophetic, thus Laotze and Confucius cannot be said to be Prophets, but merely teachers without the holy halo.

Even though pagan chinese pray to them (Laotze and Confucius) in temples, but more like in the tradition of ancestor worship than anything!

Firstly about Prophet Adam, the father of all humans. God created for him a wife (Eve). Prophet Adam was revealed to about how to live on the earth and about the names of all things. He believed in God. He was a Prophet - like all Prophets - protected from ever committing blasphemy and enormous sins. However, Prophets might commit small sins - such as the sin that Prophet Adam committed - however, they quickly repent from it. One thing to also note is that no Prophet ever commits a dirty sin, if you know what I mean.

Does Islam also believe in the Christian concept of Original Sin? That all humans are born with sin, and need to be saved?

[pun187]

Ill just show you guys some examples,this is my last reply to the "prophets" topic,cuz it is very difficult for someone with not so much knowledge about religion in general to understand this and Im going too off topic LOL If someone wants a debate just start a new thread in the D/P/R forum

O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone.

He is One only without a second.

There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit

He is bodiless and pure

Now is this teaching different from Islam ??? It teaches that there is one God,do not worship anybody but Him!!!

[samsparky]

Now the Hadhrat Adam(PBUH) part ,he probably lived about 6,000 years ago.Most probably he was born in present day of Iraq. He is popularly believed to be the first man created by God upon earth.

How strange these words are.

Did you not look to the Verses and Hadeeths which explicitly say that Prophet Adam was created from clay and that from him, his wife Eve was created?? For example, surat an-Nisaa', ayah 1 which tells us that God created us from a single person and from that person his wife.

Also, surah Al-israh ayah 61 tells us about when satan protested to God because he didn't want to prostrate to one made from clay.

Also in the Hadeeth it is mentioned about the creating of Adam, how it was in Paradise. An Angel was ordered to get from the different soils of the earth, the dark, light, soft and rough and Adam's body was made from that. Then when God ordered the Angel to blow the created soul into Adam, Adam sneezed and said AlHamdulillaah.

This is basics that everyone knows....

And it's completely backed up.

The civilisations that were destroyed were like when the flood of Prophet Noah occured. Or when the city of Sadoom was destroyed.

But Prophet Adam being the first human and first Prophet is something strongly evidenced.

[gula_jawa]

Does Islam also believe in the Christian concept of Original Sin? That all humans are born with sin, and need to be saved?

No Islam does not believe in Original sins.

In Islam we believe that when a child is born they are free from sins and are innocent... and that Allah states in the Quran .. surah An-Najm ayah 38... Translated as

' that no burdened person ( with sins) shall bear the burden (sins) of another'

In Islam.. we are accountable for our own actions and not the actions of others.

This post has been edited by gula_jawa: Apr 5 2006, 07:08 AM

[pun187]

Also, surah Al-israh ayah 61 tells us about when satan protested to God because he didn't want to prostrate to one made from clay.

Also in the Hadeeth it is mentioned about the creating of Adam, how it was in Paradise. An Angel was ordered to get from the different soils of the earth, the dark, light, soft and rough and Adam's body was made from that. Then when God ordered the Angel to blow the created soul into Adam, Adam sneezed and said AlHamdulillaah.

This is basics that everyone knows....

And it's completely backed up.

The civilisations that were destroyed were like when the flood of Prophet Noah occured. Or when the city of Sadoom was destroyed.

But Prophet Adam being the first human and first Prophet is something strongly evidenced.

Adam(PBUH) was not the 1st man on earth,according to Islam!!!Quran shows us that human beings were in existence before Hadhrat Adam(PBUH)! but they were not yet able to bear the responsibility of revealed Law. They lived in caves and in mountain fastnesses. It is for this reason that the Quran has called them by the name of JINN, which means literally those that dwell out of sight. Some people have applied this word to the genii of tales and fables, but the Quran does not support this interpretation!

Adam was not in Paradise!!! (Paradise is a place for spirits only!!!)
The quran says that Hadhrat Adam(PBUH) and his ppl went out of the garden (which again, according to the Quran was a region of the earth and is not to be confused with Paradise!!!). God warned them against Iblis(Satan) "who was one of the JINN" and told them to be careful of him and his people as they would all have to live together upon the earth wherein they would spend their spans of existence and wherein they would die

7: 26. HE said, `Therein shall you live and therein shall you die and therefrom shall you be brought forth.'

7: 27. O children of Adam, WE have indeed send down to you raiment to cover you nakedness and to be a means of adornment; but the raiment of righteousness - that is the best. That is of the commandments of Allah, that they may remember.

7: 28. O children of Adam, let not Satan seduce you, even as he turned your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment that he might show them their nakedness. Truly, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you see them not. Surely, WE have made Satan friends of those who believe not.

read Sura Al-A`raf ayat 12 :And We did create you and then We gave you shape: then said We to the angels, 'Submit to Adam"

The Ayat means that God created man and then gave shape to his faculties and then commanded the angels to bow down to Hadhrat Adam(PBUH) This verse also clearly shows that man had been in existence prior to the time of Hadhrat Adam(PBUH). The developments of man's intellectual faculties indicates that before the appearance of Hadhrat Adam(PBUH) man had already passed through several stages of evolution. The verse indicates that after man was created his faculties developed from stage to stage and assumed different shapes and he began to be distinguished from the other animal creations around him and when his intellect was developed to a certain degree, Hadhrat Adam(PBUH) was created and God sent His revelation to him!!!

How strange these words are.

Did you not look to the Verses and Hadeeths which explicitly say that Prophet Adam was created from clay and that from him, his wife Eve was created?? For example, surat an-Nisaa', ayah 1 which tells us that God created us from a single person and from that person his wife.

Quran also clarifies that Adam (PBUH) is not unique in being created from clay/dust as all mankind including Jesus (PBUH) were created in a similar way,so don't we have a mother or father ??? Are we the the 1st human beings ??? Was jesus(PBUH) the 1st human ??? Contrary to the Bible which mentions Adam as having been exclusively created from dust. Quran says, "Surely, the case of Jesus with Allah is like the case of Adam. He created him out of dust, and then He said to him, 'Be' and he was" (Imran 3:60). Similarly about the creation of whole of mankind Quran says, "And of His signs is that He created you from dust; then behold, you are men spreading over the earth." (Al-Rum 30:21)

have a nice day (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

ps Alhamdulillah I LOVE this thread , its so much fun!!! congrats Afif this is the best thread you've ever made !!! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by pun187: Apr 5 2006, 07:23 AM

[tangawizi]

Also in the Hadeeth it is mentioned about the creating of Adam, how it was in Paradise. An Angel was ordered to get from the different soils of the earth, the dark, light, soft and rough and Adam's body was made from that. Then when God ordered the Angel to blow the created soul into Adam, Adam sneezed and said AlHamdulillaah.

This is basics that everyone knows....

And it's completely backed up.

Hello samsparky, I am not being facetious here, how could Prophet Adam be speaking Arabic? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/confused.gif)

At the time of the Prophet's life in circa 630AD, were the peoples of Arabia believers of these 'jinns' that has been mentioned in the Quran?