S. Korean, Japanese cartoonists splash around in sewer of hate, Rather silly and somewhat disturbing... Options

[toki]

They came from the same roots but are hardly closely related. The Yayoi intermarried with the Jomon. Japanese today have around 1/4 Jomon blood. So I guess you could say that the closest relatives the Japanese have are the Koreans but the closest relatives the Koreans have are not the Japanese.

1/4? i wouldn't really that average is that much.

[chilli21]

can we get back to the topic? don't want this thread to turn into 'the origin of japanese.' it's getting annoying.

[riceygirl]

my korean has said that koreans and japanese are brothers and so they should stop harassing each other and become friends...i 100% agree!!

korean freind*

[korean_turtle87]

my korean has said that koreans and japanese are brothers and so they should stop harassing each other and become friends...i 100% agree!!

korean freind*

more like half brothers

[chilli21]

^all humans regardless of their races, cultures and ethnics are brothers and sisters coz we're all humans. however, sometimes many politicians esp the extreme nationalists don't agree with that.

This post has been edited by chilli21: Apr 1 2006, 09:49 PM

[Musashino]

the manga bashing started with the japanese side first.

Dude, bashing doesn't just involve cartoons.

[toki]

Dude, bashing doesn't just involve cartoons.

yes. but cartoons can be used to portray the emotions of some of the people. quite like the propanganda cartoons from WWII against the enemies.

[Musashino]

yes. but cartoons can be used to portray the emotions of some of the people. quite like the propanganda cartoons from WWII against the enemies.

That was true 60 years ago because media technology was limited back then. Hand drawing and cartoons were relied upon to emphasise what the media discourse was like.

And that's why we don't see cartoons dominating our newspaper pictorials. We leave that up to photos and footages (heavily edited, of course).

[tw波姬]

US loves to play balance of power with US coming out on top. US did not participated in WW2 until other major powers screwing up each other for good amt of time. Actually US had very good commerical relationship with Japan even during the early part of WW2. US did not care how China or other Asians countries were suffering under japanese colonial rule. So No.....US is not an agel like some posters here trying to portrait.

If historical experience means somthing, I fully expect Japan to remilitarize itself not so far down the road, b/c the US has already given japan a go ahead since last retification of US-Janpan security treaty. That's why you see Japan is becoming more assertive lately. US is using Japan to contian emergent China. The only reason US maintained peace between Japanese/Sk was because US needed theses two countries to contain USSR during the cold war era. Otherwise US could care if Japan and SK go to war for whatever reasons.

The real reason that China and SK govts are so angery about Japanese Shrine incidents is not because WW2 atrocracities committed by Japanese. It's b/c both govts are alarmed by the shrine incident which has a very symbolic meaning of re-emergency of Japanese militarism. Accomplied by the recent shift of japanese politics towards far right, you see a radicalization of Japanese politics in the near future. Again if history does repeat itself and it usually does, Japan will once again walk over korean penisula and taiwan. Controlling of korean penisula has been on japanese national policy for the last 1000 years since Chinese Tang dynasty. And taiwan was a new addition to japanese policy since Chinese Qin dynasty. So the next 10 yrs, we will see the whole NE Asia situation become far worst than right now. BTW trade and globalization does not stop wars. if anything, sometimes those things add fuels for wars.

This post has been edited by tw波姬: Apr 6 2006, 12:10 AM

[wang_zhu]

fu-king pussies

Stop drawing stupid @$$ pokemon cartoons and fight it man to man. If these assholes want to insult me then they should do it in my face then i'll give them something to draw about.

[ThyHorrorCosmic]

^all humans regardless of their races, cultures and ethnics are brothers and sisters coz we're all humans. however, sometimes many politicians esp the extreme nationalists don't agree with that.

Yah totally agree, but you have to wonder about those who are so willing to give up their mind, that choose not to think for themselves. Thats the pointi think people are missing, instead they label things as hateful, when in fact is just sad.

[michinobu_zoned]

Exactly right! If not for the U.S umbrella, MANY asian countries would of wiped out japan off the map for good.

Actually, if not for the US, many Asian countries would be enslaved to the Japanese, if I remember history correctly that is. And, if you're referring to more recent times, uhh... btw Japan has a stronger "military" (it's actually called a self-defense force, but whatever) than any asian country or any democracy other than the US. So, if you're talking about now, let's see little rinkity non-Japanese Asian boats storm Japanese shores before their long-range weapons decimate thier countries.

US loves to play balance of power with US coming out on top. US did not participated in WW2 until other major powers screwing up each other for good amt of time. Actually US had very good commerical relationship with Japan even during the early part of WW2. US did not care how China or other Asians countries were suffering under japanese colonial rule. So No.....US is not an agel like some posters here trying to portrait.

*Sigh. You are so forgetting to admit one little fact. The US helped China rid itself of the imperialists that were ruling it. The US also told Japan that they would stop trading with them if they didn't leave China, that's why Japan attacked them at Pearl Harbor.

BTW trade and globalization does not stop wars. if anything, sometimes those things add fuels for wars.

I agree, that's an argument that I often make. In fact, I believe that's the reason why you see an emergence in nationalism that you didn't see during the Cold War. "We" (by "we" I mean the "free world") were more unified when the USSR was around, and everyone loved America so much. Nowadays, America is seriously hated by many, and people are returning to nationalism and racism/xenophobia that we thought everyone was moving away from! All thanks to globalization, and the total disregard of the common man, just to make a profit.

Globalization is just like Communism, it's going to flop. It's nice in theory, but in reality it just doesn't work.

more like half brothers

yes, many people agree with the hybrid theory. Just check another thread out. Many people can see "Jomon" characteristics in the modern Japanese.

This post has been edited by michinobu_zoned: Apr 23 2006, 09:39 PM

[TracyJacks]

the closer you are to one another sometimes means the easier it is for you to hate each other since you have lots of history together.

two countries who are located far apart usually have less to hate about each other and can establish normal relations.

[michinobu_zoned]

I doubt it. I seriously doubt S. Korea or any other country would have taken the time to war with Japan for vengeance. Most leaders are practical and know that if there's going to be a war, something physical has to be gained. Japan has nothing that S. Korea nor China wants (as war spoils).

Yeah, I guess, except for oil. Japan has it, a little bit, and both China and Japan want the islands that have it. Plus, Russia wants to take some islands that not only have oil but is rich in fish and seaweed, which might japan if they lost access to the waters around this island, which is Ainu country.

Both, Russia and China claims that these islands used to be apart of their countries a long time ago. The idea that Ainu are the same as Russians is absurd seeing as how they don't look like them.

[michinobu_zoned]

its not like korea was advocating bashing japan in the way it is now back before the japanese occupation really. the heat of the bashing is more so from the times of the colonization. its not like japan was brutalized by koreans in the same rate japan did to korea. so it is likely they be less prone to racism on this part.

although. there are extremists on both ends. and the majority who take part in what you see in those rallies ,etc.

but it is interesting how u.s. had bombed japan and killed hundreds of thousands of japanese citizens and also fought with them in such fervor, yet japan and u.s. for the most part has good relations. but us did extend itself to help japan. and maybe time has passed that both korea and japan don't want to give up their pride at this point.

and i don't like the extremists on the korean end. but still doesn't justify the cartoons.
the racism is not due to the u.s., but the u.s. still took part. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_confused.gif)

Well, that's because Japan needs the US more than they need Asian countries. The US did give aid to the Japanese after bombing them, but Japan gives aid to the Asian countries too. However, these countries hate them still. Japan puts money in India, Russia, China, Korea, those little island nations of the South East, etc. Russia's such a whore country right now, and it recieves aid from Japan and seems to hate them for it. Most Indians are ignorant of Japan being it's second biggest contribitor to it's economy, and China and Korea can't let go of the past.
Some Japanese can't forget those nukes being dropped on them, all for the purpose of scaring Soviets, but right now the US spends too much money in Japense defense in a region where everyone hates them.

Also, I might want to drop a little fact here, the US spends money on all of their "allies" whose people seem to spite them nowadays. Iclandic Self-Defense Force is 100% paid for by American tax dollars.

Some people might want to blame $hit on America, but imagine a world where the US collapsed. It would hurt almost everyone, including evil China, as the US already owes so much debt to China. If the US's economy collapsed, they would declare bankruptcy, all of our allies would declare bankruptcy, and then Chinese banks would be bankrupt, and the only people left would be the isolationist economies like Cuba or N. Korea. They kept to themselves anyways, so they'd be the ones to benefit from a fall in globalization.

[shaolin01]

koreans and japanese should just rape each other already

cant you feel the love?

[michinobu_zoned]

koreans and japanese should just rape each other already

cant you feel the love?

Well, it seems that you really could care less. To hell with you people, go ahead and kill each other already. Maybe later China could come in and pick up the spoils?

[korean_turtle87]

it was stupid of the "hate japan" creater to create it. we shouldn't sick to their level

[michinobu_zoned]

it was stupid of the "hate japan" creater to create it. we shouldn't sick to their level

LOL, I remember reading a part of that comic translated. I wished I could get a copy of "The Hate Korea Wave" translated. Not that I condone it, but blatant racism at its best is best looked at with a sense of humor, kind of like South Park and their ridiculous racist humor. Like it doesn't seem like there's in credibility in what they're saying, like Jews praying to Moses at a camp called "Jewbilee".