Russian Atrocities in Northeastern china and part of korea?, So what happend in Germany and Eastern Europe. Options

[danoc]

Thanks, but no thanks. Don't you have an ESL teacher to meet today? Or are you using an online translator? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2

go away, and insult someother.

[ANAND]

Thanks, but no thanks. Don't you have an ESL teacher to meet today? Or are you using an online translator? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2

We better to learn more English, don't we? Would give more information of that online translator. i want to know about

[beronis]

I would wish that anybody in this forum gives some ideas on russian behaviours in northeast china when they occupied after defeating japanese army.

[Mightycandy]

We better to learn more English, don't we? Would give more information of that online translator. i want to know about

hey brave Mongolian person. Wassup. Mongolia is a beautiful country with great landscapes. I understand that Mongolia is very isolated country right now, thus your need for attention of Chinese friends here. Here you got my attention. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

[danoc]

hey brave Mongolian person. Wassup. Mongolia is a beautiful country with great landscapes. I understand that Mongolia is very isolated country right now, thus your need for attention of Chinese friends here. Here you got my attention. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

hehe.. wow!

so many cold words in your attention..

how pathetic..

can you tell me please, where do you see that mongolia is isolated?

this people did have more friends as chinese republic around a world.

and you call it "isolated country"?

why do you think so? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/confused.gif)


do you see (like chinese superiors) all mongolians as "barbarians and inferior race"?

or do you think?: "wow! that land is pure and have a little population. Yea! we can tramp on his indepence and their people without to get a kick in the @$$!"

hmm?

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This post has been edited by danoc: Apr 5 2006, 10:43 AM

[beronis]

hehe.. wow!

so many cold words in your attention..

how pathetic..

I don't think anyone follows your logic so far. This topic has no relation to other countries than Soviet Union. That's the only country we should talk about. Main objective is to gather the information on the soldiers brutal behaviours, whether there'd be nothing or anything.

[danoc]

I don't think anyone follows your logic so far. This topic has no relation to other countries than Soviet Union. That's the only country we should talk about. Main objective is to gather the information on the soldiers brutal behaviours, whether there'd be nothing or anything.

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see on the name of yor thread and then say me about where you see something about "russian soldiers".

you wants only new wood for your hate and revachsim fire.

what did a russian on you, that you do hate them so?

or do you hate generaly all not-asians?

why? are they not yellow enough for your rasistc views?

what are you interests?

you have get all answers here.

but that is not enough for you.
why?

if i do read your thread question then i think:

you need something for justifications to claim on russian federation territories and for new agitation like against japanese people in short time ago in china.

"replying to Russian Atrocities"

"russian atrocities"?

do you mean that russian and soviets have clear china of japanese fasists(fasists not all japanese!) for rape of chinese woman?

"replying"?

what do you mean with it? war? invasation? nuclear bombing? demonstrations?

what do want to do?

do you plan new "hate all russian" like against modern japan and their citizens?

for what?

do you want a hate and missunderstoods between china and russian federation like between japan and china in the last time?

where are you from?

and why do you hate russians and soviet people so?

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This post has been edited by danoc: Apr 5 2006, 02:45 PM

[ANAND]

Where are your sources? Chinese has no tradition of eating people.

They had , in very recent time second half of 20th century
http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/Ch...oll/carroll.htm

Quote from http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php...pic=10559&st=15

Rather than type out the many accounts of human sacrifice in ancient China, I will take the easy route. Please go to Google Book and search for "human sacrifice" China and check out the results (also check "human sacrificial" china). Good discussions are found in The Cambridge History of Ancient China: From the Origins of Civilization to 221 BC pages 192-194 (Robert Bagley), pages 266-283 (David Keightley) and pages 733-4 (Wu Hung). Also there is a section on it in Mark Edward Lewis' Sanctioned Violence in Early China, pages 27-8. (You can also "search within" these books for key words.) Keightley mentions both "companions in death (Renxun)" and "human offerings (Rensheng)."

It seems that the Qiang 羌 people were regularly used in sacrifices (according to oracle bone records):
"Shall we sacrifice one hundred Qiang people (a nomadic enemy tribe) and one hundred sets of sheep and pigs to [High King] Tang, Great Ancestors Jian and Ding, and Grandfather Yi?" (_Yicun_ 873)

"Shall we sacrifice two elders of the Qiang tribe to Grandfather Ding and Father Jia?" (_Jingjin_ 4034)

During the Spring & Autumns period, human sacrficial victims have been found in tombs from numerous states (e.g., Chu, Qi, Qin, Jin, Lu). The "Lord of the River" (He Bo) required virgin girls sacrificed I believe also.

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Human sacrifice custom were as old as china. It didn't stop until the Qing dynasty, when the KangXi (barbarian Manchu stopped civilized chinse custom) )emperor reigned.
at that time, someone suggested"好生恶死，人之常情，捐躯轻生，非盛世所宜有”。which means, it's people's natural desire for life and hate death, and those act should not exist in that rich society. i don't know if i have translated it properly.
human sacrifice had lasted long, for about six thousand years!
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[lovelytruth]

Do Mongolians helped China?
WW2 Mongol and USSR in old times ?

[danoc]

Do Mongolians helped China?

jup.. but it was stoped in the time of culture revolution, evict and sinicization of mongolians from inner mongolia and nuclear tests near mongolian republic borders and after that.

now(90'en) they make good realtionchips with chinese businesmens. but how long they want ot do it in the future, i dont know.
China do many things to make mongolians angry in the last time.

WW2 Mongol and USSR in old times ?

what do you mean with it?

This post has been edited by danoc: Apr 6 2006, 02:29 PM

[beronis]

They had , in very recent time second half of 20th century
http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/Ch...oll/carroll.htm

Quote from http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php...pic=10559&st=15

Rather than type out the many accounts of human sacrifice in ancient China, I will take the easy route. Please go to Google Book and search for "human sacrifice" China and check out the results (also check "human sacrificial" china). Good discussions are found in The Cambridge History of Ancient China: From the Origins of Civilization to 221 BC pages 192-194 (Robert Bagley), pages 266-283 (David Keightley) and pages 733-4 (Wu Hung). Also there is a section on it in Mark Edward Lewis' Sanctioned Violence in Early China, pages 27-8. (You can also "search within" these books for key words.) Keightley mentions both "companions in death (Renxun)" and "human offerings (Rensheng)."

It seems that the Qiang 羌 people were regularly used in sacrifices (according to oracle bone records):
"Shall we sacrifice one hundred Qiang people (a nomadic enemy tribe) and one hundred sets of sheep and pigs to [High King] Tang, Great Ancestors Jian and Ding, and Grandfather Yi?" (_Yicun_ 873)

"Shall we sacrifice two elders of the Qiang tribe to Grandfather Ding and Father Jia?" (_Jingjin_ 4034)

During the Spring & Autumns period, human sacrficial victims have been found in tombs from numerous states (e.g., Chu, Qi, Qin, Jin, Lu). The "Lord of the River" (He Bo) required virgin girls sacrificed I believe also.

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Human sacrifice custom were as old as china. It didn't stop until the Qing dynasty, when the KangXi (barbarian Manchu stopped civilized chinse custom) )emperor reigned.
at that time, someone suggested"好生恶死，人之常情，捐躯轻生，非盛世所宜有”。which means, it's people's natural desire for life and hate death, and those act should not exist in that rich society. i don't know if i have translated it properly.
human sacrifice had lasted long, for about six thousand years!
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dude, human sacrifices are not hannibalism.

[beronis]

you need something for justifications to claim on russian federation territories and for new agitation like against japanese people in short time ago in china.

That's what rapists would justify themselves. Don't stoop down to the level of japanese imperial army.

"replying to Russian Atrocities"

"russian atrocities"?

do you mean that russian and soviets have clear china of japanese fasists(fasists not all japanese!) for rape of chinese woman?

You have extremely bad english. I will not reply to your comment.

[soltung]

Soviet atrocities committed against Japanese civilians in northeastern China are much better documented...

I would wish that anybody in this forum gives some ideas on russian behaviours in northeast china when they occupied after defeating japanese army.

This post has been edited by soltung: Apr 9 2006, 06:24 PM

[GokTurk]

Obviously the author of this thread is very bitter with Russia and has issues of his own. It is very hard to overcome inferiority complex and get over the loss.

I think that before bashing Russia and bringing up ethnics China should sort out its own internal issues and deal with Japanese autrocities druing WW2, which were probably the most disturbing for it.

Russia came out as a winner at WW2 and winners are not being judged. China played a humble role of a sacrifice lamb, unable to defend itself. Now it comes with lame good old propaganda to imflame situation. It is not a first time when China makes up stories about history, scientific inventions, art, etc.

I suggest Russians and other reasonable people to ignore the whole topic, because it is pointless and intended for chinese friends to feel a little bit better about themselves.

[beronis]

Obviously the author of this thread is very bitter with Russia and has issues of his own. It is very hard to overcome inferiority complex and get over the loss.

Inferiority complex? Has Russian ever been superior?

I think that before bashing Russia and bringing up ethnics China should sort out its own internal issues and deal with Japanese autrocities druing WW2, which were probably the most disturbing for it.

That's already dealt with.

Russia came out as a winner at WW2 and winners are not being judged. China played a humble role of a sacrifice lamb, unable to defend itself. Now it comes with lame good old propaganda to imflame situation. It is not a first time when China makes up stories about history, scientific inventions, art, etc.

Why can't a winner judge a winner? I thought china was also a winner. China could kick out japanese out of Machuria without Soviet helps. Japan was nuked twice, and already burned off by American bombs. It was only a matter of time American will take japan by forces, and chinese army will rise to annilliate Kuomintang army.

Are you saying Soviet Red Army was a sole winner? Do you think china was just sitting nothing to be pillaged by Japanese imperial army?

[beronis]

fellow Asian? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bawling.gif) I am so touched. fu-k (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_twisted.gif) What a lame concept. Maybe it is useful for you to cheat other asians like SEA, certainly not for me.

If not asian, would you like to be confused with Russian?

Overall, china's rise in russian RFE is a good thing for women in the region, because chinese civilization treats women with the utmost respect.

http://www.owl.ru/eng/womplus/2002/violence.htm
In Kazakhstan every 5-6 hours a woman is killed or raped. Grave injury is delivered every 3 hours. More than 60% of Kazakh women at least once underwent physical or sexual violence. About every third woman suffers violence in her family.

In 1993 14500 women were killed by their husbands and more than 65000 were gravely injured in Russian Federation.

Do Mongolians helped China?
WW2 Mongol and USSR in old times ?

China did not need a mongolian's help.

http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/mng-summary-eng
Violence against women

According to a study carried out by the National Centre Against Violence, domestic violence was the third most common cause of death and injury in Mongolia. The police lacked training on how to handle such cases. Impunity for sexual violence was widespread; 88 per cent of rape cases taken to court were dismissed.

[danoc]

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MOD!

please close this pseudo-historican topic!

most of beronis statements are only flame propaganda angainst russian ethnic and russian nationality based on simple non-ethnical and non-logical agenda and statistics!

this guy wants only to make russian citizens into devils and bad guys.

This post has been edited by danoc: Apr 15 2006, 08:53 AM

[beronis]

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MOD!

please close this pseudo-historican topic!

most of beronis statements are only flame propaganda angainst russian ethnic and russian nationality based on simple non-ethnical and non-logical agenda and statistics!

All of the statistics are as credible as other atrocities. Collecting evidences are so hard and proving is even harder.
Was I flaming? Or am I even pretending to be historian?

I posted with the sources from mostly credible, unbiased sources, BBC, Guardian, Amnesty International.
That is enough to be said about my agendas.

this guy wants only to make russian citizens into devils and bad guys.

Russia produced Tolstoy, Gogol, Dostoevski, but I don't like their military cultures.

[GokTurk]

You definetely have an inferiority complex flared up. Maybe you'd better start new top #10010101 in this forum Are Chinese considered pale?

China was not amongst winners in WW2. If it could kick Japanese army out of its territory, it hadn't done so and there is nothing to discuss here.

Your pseudostatstics about rapes and murders are not convincing anyone except your coworkers in propaganda department or some of your brainwashed compatriots.

Actaully i'm having fun in this topic...

If anyone expresses desire to discuss nowadays concentration camps in China or forceful abortions, just let beronis know. IT (beronis) can prove that forceful abortion is the act of the utmost respect to woman.

This post has been edited by GokTurk: Apr 15 2006, 02:38 PM

[beronis]

You definetely have an inferiority complex flared up. Maybe you'd better start new top #10010101 in this forum Are Chinese considered pale?

China was not amongst winners in WW2. If it could kick Japanese army out of its territory, it hadn't done so and there is nothing to discuss here.

Resorting to personal attacks and insults seems to be quiet common to some of you.

Your pseudostatstics about rapes and murders are not convincing anyone except your coworkers in propaganda department or some of your brainwashed compatriots.

So Amnesty International must use pseudostatics. BBC and Guardian does not filter the pseudo history.
I wonder what can be really a news and issues in this world then?