Total War, usa, china Options

[jin75]

WarEngineer..... i can tell you are still a very young man....what are you??? about 18?? 20??? anyways....first of all China HAS been defeated....just recently by Japan...until the world demanded that they leave....we won't go into the other accounts.... Secondly....there is NO WAY that America cannot defeat China in an all out war....do you know how much AMerica spends on thier millitary a year? in 2004 they spent 437 BILLION! while China spent 29 Billion.... they have a much larger army...that is way more technologically advanced....thier nuclear capabilities are far superior than that of the WHOLE world combined....i suggest you should look it up instead of solely relying on what i just said..... i understand nationalism and feeling of jingoism are fine....but you need to get your facts straight.

[toronto_chinese]

a war between chinese and the americans is what the iranians want since iran can't defend themselves and need to drag us into every conflict they have.

[C.Chen]

China has 6,000 nukes. China itself can flat out the world and makes every living thing on this planet disappear, unless you are from Mars of course. Then China still can destroy you. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2

Amazing, an Ameican who actually wants China to annihilate the world. Sinophile. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2

[WarEngineer]

ok, you are exactly right. i'm not arguing your facts.

i'm looking at it in a strategic way.

japan was just a small part of the history. you are right, they did defeat the chinese army. but in no way did they occupy and conquer china completely. They were still fighting the chinese when the world turned against japan.
you see, in the ancient times, lots of invaders fought china and even conquered china, but what ended up happening is that the conqueres lost their own culture and melted into china and became chinese instead.

it's true for all the dynasties.

[toronto_chinese]

WarEngineer..... i can tell you are still a very young man....what are you??? about 18?? 20??? anyways....first of all China HAS been defeated....just recently by Japan...until the world demanded that they leave....we won't go into the other accounts.... Secondly....there is NO WAY that America cannot defeat China in an all out war....do you know how much AMerica spends on thier millitary a year? in 2004 they spent 437 BILLION! while China spent 29 Billion.... they have a much larger army...that is way more technologically advanced....thier nuclear capabilities are far superior than that of the WHOLE world combined....i suggest you should look it up instead of solely relying on what i just said..... i understand nationalism and feeling of jingoism are fine....but you need to get your facts straight.

but the point is with such a huge army, america still dont' dare to touch the chinese. Also, with such a huge army and they could still let 911 happen which just proves a huge army with advanced technology doesn't mean much. All countries in the world have armies that are less powerful than U.S. but no 911 happen to others but only U.S.

U.S. don't dare to touch china since U.S. need China and of course China just can't beat U.S. with their current technology but then the point is U.S. just won't do anything directly to confront China. Even if they do, U.S. will probably win eventually but with the number of people in China and such a huge land , china is not easy to confront and remember how the U.S. fight in Iraq.

[Manun]

Weapon would be the least problem. The real defeat would actually who would want to see their people suffer most?

[millersdude]

WarEngineer..... i can tell you are still a very young man....what are you??? about 18?? 20??? anyways....first of all China HAS been defeated....just recently by Japan...until the world demanded that they leave....we won't go into the other accounts.... Secondly....there is NO WAY that America cannot defeat China in an all out war....do you know how much AMerica spends on thier millitary a year? in 2004 they spent 437 BILLION! while China spent 29 Billion.... they have a much larger army...that is way more technologically advanced....thier nuclear capabilities are far superior than that of the WHOLE world combined....i suggest you should look it up instead of solely relying on what i just said..... i understand nationalism and feeling of jingoism are fine....but you need to get your facts straight.

Perhaps you should update your knowledge about China first. Your knowledge about China is very outdated. Modern China is not the old weak China that started around 1700 due to corruption. After WWII, China actually defeated USA in both Korea and Vietnam war with inferior/primated weapons. Right now after 20 years of advancing in weaponry, China does have the capability to destroy the whole world, let alone USA. China have advance missiles and lasers capable of destroying US carriers, jetfighters, satellites, submarines, etc... Right now China is research on anti-matter weapons. You know recently, Iran tested the torpodo that traveled very fast and missiles that avoided the detection of radars. Iran actually acquired them from China. See the link.

http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory...o+sale&id=86649

[Suijen]

Japan never really defeated the KMT nor the Red Army. They took the capital of course, but the armies were always there.

Also, there's a complete difference in fighting a defensive and offensive war. The US spends buttloads on the military, true, but come on, sending troops and providing for them all the way in Asia? Look at how much trouble China has getting to Taiwan, and that's not even that far. Now imagine the Pacific Ocean in the way.

And China has more than enough capability to nuke the US flat. I'm sure the US can do the same to us as well.

[danoc]

Perhaps you should update your knowledge about China first. Your knowledge about China is very outdated. Modern China is not the old weak China that started around 1700 due to corruption. After WWII, China actually defeated USA in both Korea and Vietnam war with inferior/primated weapons. Right now after 20 years of advancing in weaponry, China does have the capability to destroy the whole world, let alone USA. China have advance missiles and lasers capable of destroying US carriers, jetfighters, satellites, submarines, etc... Right now China is research on anti-matter weapons. You know recently, Iran tested the torpodo that traveled very fast and missiles that avoided the detection of radars. Iran actually acquired them from China. See the link.

http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory...o+sale&id=86649

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if china do atck USA then we have a "NATO against China" war.
China have not enough ressources for the next World war.

eys, China have 1,3 Billion People, but do you know exsactly who of this people can be soldier?

perhaps 60-90 millions.

Do you know how many people in a Europe, Russian Federation, USA, Canada, Mexico and Latain America can be soldiers?
(dont forgot many alies from East Asia and Britans from Australia, New-Zealand and South-Africa.)

i dont know.. perhaps 100 or 600 Millions.

Chinese Army is not maked for long and invasation war. Chinese Army cann't conquer all World.
It is only defense Army not like USA Army and Marines or Britanian and EU-defense-forces.

therefore it is very kiddish to talk about a war between China and USA or their allies.

btw. China need a World like World needs China.

it is much better as total war without a winner.

btw. noone needs 6000 nuces. it is only 200-300 nuces enough to make nuclear winter.

This post has been edited by danoc: Apr 7 2006, 05:34 PM

[WarEngineer]

^i got a question for you...where is newseland and what are nuces?

[danoc]

^i got a question for you...where is newseland and what are nuces?

nice question.

you must know it, or?

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This post has been edited by danoc: Apr 7 2006, 05:36 PM

[dgs_vex]

^^give danoc a break. you cant expect everyone to speak proper english.

other than that. if china really wants to control the world. wouldnt the rest of the world attack china?

WarEngineer, you serve in any countires military or study any military or political subjects?

This post has been edited by dgs_vex: Apr 7 2006, 06:12 PM

[ANAND]

In case there will be really total war between USA and China. It will be WWIII.

1. How it would start?
- Independance of Taiwan, If China out of patience
- North Korea Nuclear and Missile threat might be reason
- Internal conflict of PRC itself might cause war

What else ?


2. World War 3 started, what countries will be China's allies, and what countries are enemies?

This post has been edited by ANAND: Apr 7 2006, 06:09 PM

[jin75]

[quote name='millersdude' date='Apr 7 2006, 02:26 PM' post='1729065']
Perhaps you should update your knowledge about China first. Your knowledge about China is very outdated. Modern China is not the old weak China that started around 1700 due to corruption. After WWII, China actually defeated USA in both Korea and Vietnam war with inferior/primated weapons. Right now after 20 years of advancing in weaponry, China does have the capability to destroy the whole world, let alone USA. China have advance missiles and lasers capable of destroying US carriers, jetfighters, satellites, submarines, etc... Right now China is research on anti-matter weapons. You know recently, Iran tested the torpodo that traveled very fast and missiles that avoided the detection of radars. Iran actually acquired them from China. See the link.


first of all....i have no idea how you thought that my perceptions of China were outdated by my 1/2 paragraph reply.... the main point of my post is primarily based on the millitary budget of the 2 nations.... how that's outdated i don't know....i think that you assume that just because i HIGHLY doubt that CHina can beat America MILLITARILY.... you think that my perception of CHina is outdated.... i doubt that most historians/millitary analysts and socialists would disagree with me on that topic. China has YET to match the United States power in this world.....but all this talk about a China-US war is besides the point.... it's HIGHLY unlikely to happen in our lifetimes.... both countries recognize that it will cause massive death in both countires and in the world.... the military superiority of either country.... is not even debatable....you can talk about Iran....or any SPECIFIC weapon...that's really beside the point.... because it will be the rarity amongst analysts to think that China can match the US's millitary power/technology.
i assume that you've graduated college....just as an experiment...just for curiosity sake.... why don't you go back to your school and ask some of the professors there about the millitary power/capabilities of either country.... i doubt they'll think that China can match the power of the US.
either way...... i hope that China continues it's growth in areas of geopolitics and economics.

[Chinese DesertFo...]

Did you guys even read my earlier post?

[chilli21]

if there's really a war btw the two powerhouses, i don't think they'll be the only players.

[dgs_vex]

Perhaps you should update your knowledge about China first. Your knowledge about China is very outdated. Modern China is not the old weak China that started around 1700 due to corruption. After WWII, China actually defeated USA in both Korea and Vietnam war with inferior/primated weapons. Right now after 20 years of advancing in weaponry, China does have the capability to destroy the whole world, let alone USA. China have advance missiles and lasers capable of destroying US carriers, jetfighters, satellites, submarines, etc... Right now China is research on anti-matter weapons. You know recently, Iran tested the torpodo that traveled very fast and missiles that avoided the detection of radars. Iran actually acquired them from China. See the link.

http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory...o+sale&id=86649

i can prove all your information wrong see link

secondary source 2nd source

according to a fortune cookie i ate this morning. the US is also devloping its anti-ballistic missle capabilities. at the moment the US has in its possession a ship classified as USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-J). if you dont know anything about this ship. its predicted arsenal is an estimated 200-700 phenoix T-3 II class photon torepedos, every torpedo is armed with 3 photon warheads yeilding approx. 700mega tons each, totalling 2,100 mega tons. compare that to the two atomic bombs that were dropped on hiroshipma and nagasaki, JP that totalled 35,000 tons. it would be 20,000X stronger, holy shiet! we are talking about total destruction of the world. but thats not all. the NCC-1701-J also has in its aresenal lasers ranging from 300,000 watts to an estamated 300 million gigawatts, that is enough power to power all the major cities of earth for an entire year. AMAZING!! as for sheilding, the crew is protected by Connex-lockheed's new dual defensive system which consist of a hull created from quatranium matrixiline, the most powerful, most strongest substance known in existance. its has the enough integrety to with stand any nuclear warhead that totals 500 megatons in yield. the second and primary sheild withstands up to a maximum of 64000 gigawatts of matter/energy. enough to create a livable atmosphere at 100 miles from the sun! ternary defensive systems deal with anti-anti-matter and anti-anti-proton drivers developed by the independent human-vulcan research institution called "3-ElooG Technologies". these new drivers are integrated into NCC-1701-J Athens VII type-9 3/stage warp reactors and the ships internal artificial gravity drives rendering anti-matter weapons usless.

note: this is all BS, but star trek enterprise is a cool seires.

[Chinese DesertFo...]

i can prove all your information wrong see link

secondary source 2nd source

according to a fortune cookie i ate this morning. the US is also devloping its anti-ballistic missle capabilities. at the moment the US has in its possession a ship classified as USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-J). if you dont know anything about this ship. its predicted arsenal is an estimated 200-700 phenoix T-3 II class photon torepedos, every torpedo is armed with 3 photon warheads yeilding approx. 700mega tons each, totalling 2,100 mega tons. compare that to the two atomic bombs that were dropped on hiroshipma and nagasaki, JP that totalled 35,000 tons. it would be 20,000X stronger, holy shiet! we are talking about total destruction of the world. but thats not all. the NCC-1701-J also has in its aresenal lasers ranging from 300,000 watts to an estamated 300 million gigawatts, that is enough power to power all the major cities of earth for an entire year. AMAZING!! as for sheilding, the crew is protected by Connex-lockheed's new dual defensive system which consist of a hull created from quatranium matrixiline, the most powerful, most strongest substance known in existance. its has the enough integrety to with stand any nuclear warhead that totals 500 megatons in yield. the second and primary sheild withstands up to a maximum of 64000 gigawatts of matter/energy. enough to create a livable atmosphere at 100 miles from the sun! ternary defensive systems deal with anti-anti-matter and anti-anti-proton drivers developed by the independent human-vulcan research institution called "3-ElooG Technologies". these new drivers are integrated into NCC-1701-J Athens VII type-9 3/stage warp reactors and the ships internal artificial gravity drives rendering anti-matter weapons usless.

note: this is all BS, but star trek enterprise is a cool seires.

This post warrents a warning for utter lack of substance.

[dgs_vex]

This post warrents a warning for utter lack of substance.

same can be said for you. take a look at your own link. it leads to nowhere.

[Chinese DesertFo...]

same can be said for you. take a look at your own link. it leads to nowhere.

My link?

Now you're just babbling nonesense.