Cambodia Military, Pictures Options

[Happy Asian]

^Very well said.

Cambodia in peace time need to combat piracy, illegal loggers and so on, but unfortunately, the Cambodian military lack the resources to have an effective capability. So small level upgrades and more Mi-17 choppers would really help.

[Happy Asian]

PT-76

[Sirikittong]

Those look like antiquated junk; look at the rust on the last tank..

1 F-16 can do so much damage...its rather sickening to see how weak Cambodia's military is.



hmm does cambodia even have an effective surface-to-air battery/missile defense?

This post has been edited by Sirikittong: Apr 14 2006, 12:26 AM

[Happy Asian]

At the moment I doubt Cambodia have an effective air-defence force, the Americans payed them to destroy all SAM.

This post has been edited by Happy Asian: Apr 14 2006, 12:39 AM

[Sirikittong]

Thats truly a shame. But realistically speaking, I doubt Cambodia will ever develop an effective military in our time. Population wise..economics wise..she does not have the resources to make a defense that can rival that with her neighbours; Thailand and Vietnam.

The only viable strategy Cambodia should utilize to prevent military clashes would be, from my point of view, is to maintain compliant relationship with Thailand and Vietnam as well as utilize its military to quell internal insurgency.

This is my overall analysis in looking at the present circumstance that has befallen Cambodia.

This post has been edited by Sirikittong: Apr 14 2006, 01:23 AM

[Happy Asian]

Well they do receive military aid.

[nombaingsachko]

haha think again.. cambodia will never comply to thailand and vietnam.. you would think so because of thai economy and viet puppet govt.. but they wont last for long..

The only strategy Cambodia should utilize, from my point of view, is to maintain compliant relationship with Thailand and Vietnam as well as utilize its military to quell internal insurgency.

[IgotIt4Cheap]

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This post has been edited by IgotIt4Cheap: Apr 14 2006, 10:20 AM

[Sirikittong]

haha think again.. cambodia will never comply to thailand and vietnam.. you would think so because of thai economy and viet puppet govt.. but they wont last for long..

Please dont retort to incessant prophecies that have no legitimacy in terms of political science.

I was merely stating realistic opinions. Do you actually think the Cambodian Armed Forces would last in a conflict with Vietnam? Their land forces is quite concentrated; and I assure you overwhelming Cambodia via military means would be no problem for Army of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. As for Thailand; the Thai Air Force is the largest in south east asia; and we have 26 squadrons (including over 60+ F-16s). What do you actually think you can do? Particularly when a good portion of the Thai Air Force is stationed in Eastern Thailand. And yes, that also includes our Rapier Tactical surface-air defense sytems as well.

I hardly doubt that any of your air fighters will make it off the ground; the Royal Thai Air Force has practiced drills in overwhelming enemy air defenses. Thats what we did to Burma in 2000; their mig-21s were dessicated by our F-16S (note that the mig-21s are also the primary fighters within Cambodia).

Realism, my friend.

I want to make a point that I was discussing military tactics with Happy Asian and nong; no way was it meant to flame. If you cant handle military topics, then dont read this thread and dont post in it.

Thanks. Its apparent that happy asian and myself have actively debated military related items before.

Dont start anything. Thanks.

[Happy Asian]

^Myanmar uses F-7 not MiG-21.

[Sirikittong]

^Myanmar uses F-7 not MiG-21.

Actually, Myanmar uses the FT-7 and the F-7M, which are all viariants of the MIG-21 Fishbed that went through Chinese reverse engineering.

One of the most capable interceptor aircraft, after the MiG-21bis, is the F-7A 'Fishbed'. The F-7A is a Chinese version of the early type of MiG-21. These aircrafts were transferred in November 1972. Albania purchased 12 of these aircrafts, 11 of them being operational today. The home of the F-7A is Gjader AB located in the North of the country near the border with Montenegro. These was a reason why the most advanced planes in the Albanian Air Force were sent there. An Albanian F-7A being towed out at Gjader ABThe Albanian-Serbian relations have never been at a satisfactory level. The former Yugoslavian Air Force has entered many times in Albanian airspace especially in the 1960-1970 period. This prompted the Albanian authorities to do something about it. So weeks after when the F-7A's were transferred in Rinas AB they were retransferred to Gjader AB and since then it has been the home of the F-7A.

In 1995, with a decision taken from the Albanian parliament, Albania purchased 10 ex Ukrainian MiG-21bis, one of the advanced versions of the MiG-21. The MiG-21s have a slightly different story because most of the time they are based at Rinas AB together with the F-6 and FT-5s. With a speed of 2230 km/h the MiG-21bis is the most advanced plane in the Albanian Air Force. The F-7A and MiG-21 bis equip two interceptor/fighter squadrons. Original plans were to upgrade these 21 aircrafts into a more advanced plane. However, plans have now slightly changed. The Albanian Government's policy of having a few advanced fighter than a large number of obsolete planes means that these's a possibility that Albania may purchase new-built aircrafts instead of upgrading the MiGs.

http://www.geocities.com/albanianpilot/Albanian_Fishbed.html

The MiG-21 was designed largely as a result of combat experience in Korea. This high-performance short-range air-superiority fighter became the most extensively used fighter aircraft in the world.

The E-5 prototype was first flown in 1955. Since then over 30 countries have flown the MiG-21. More than 8,000 were produced including license built aircraft (per the U.S. Air Force), the largest production figure for any modern jet aircraft. The last MiG-21s were produced by China and India in the late 1980s.

The MiG-21 was flown by the North Vietnamese Air Force during the Vietnamese War. NATO gave the MiG-21 the code name Fishbed.

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) license built the MiG-21 under the name Vikram (Valor).

The Chinese reverse engineered the MiG-21 to produce the J-7, first manufactured by Shenyang, then by Chengdu. The designation has been changed to F-7 on some export models.

http://www.shanaberger.com/MiG-21.htm

This post has been edited by Sirikittong: Apr 14 2006, 01:13 AM

[Happy Asian]

^I know, but still different in a way. From my knowledge their air force is plagued with poor service and maintenance, so you can't expect them to up much of a fight. Too bad we don't have Burmese chat or else I would post Myanmar military picture too.

[billytan]

lol.

This post has been edited by ham_let: Apr 14 2006, 11:57 AM

[Sirikittong]

@ Happy Asian. I admire that man! Yes you're right; Burma's military is far more focused in developing their ports than their air forces. Thank god tho..because Burma (Myanmar) is known to commit genocide on her own people, particularly those of the karenni, and shan ethnic groups. Disgusting. Luckily we take shan refugees in and treat them; there have been many instances in burmese military forcse crossing thai territory to hunt down shan freedom fighters and even killing shan women and children; luckily the RTAF utilizes a 'SHOOT TO KILL' tactic on foreign military forces that enter our zone of control.

This post has been edited by Sirikittong: Apr 14 2006, 01:21 AM

[Happy Asian]

Myanmar's military regime is paranoid, their military recieved huge spending but there's a massive hole in their capability.

[Sirikittong]

^. It will fall. I welcome its utter demise as it will enable the re-unification of Thailand and Shan-land (historically an orbit of Siam/Ayuthaya).

Back to the Cambodian military; I just read the article in which Vietnam donated patrol boats to Cambodia. Very kind of you!!

This post has been edited by Sirikittong: Apr 14 2006, 01:31 AM

[crew.]

China was kindler, they donated six patrol boats. LOL.

I don't think Cambodia should spend too much on its military, but maintaining and possibly upgrading some areas will surely secure the country. But remember, Cambodia had just went through a civil war, and a lot of our military resources have been weakened. Thailand enjoyed centuries of peacetime which allowed more time for its military to expand and become much more powerful than its neighbors. Vietnam have also had the opportunity to expand its military and train their army through wars with the French, America and China. But what I'd like to come down to is that, war is not the answer right now. In this time and age, globalization is more important than anything. A far out war would only hurt each other's economy. Having the best military right now isn't the most important thing to be concerned about.

[Happy Asian]

^Another good point. Concentrate on your economy and you can buy anything.

Cambodia mulls sending troops to Iraq

Prime Minister Hun Sen has refused such requests in the past, but left the door open for a future deployment following a meeting Monday with US Ambassador Joseph Mussomeli, advisor Om Yentieng told AFP.

"The prime minister stated that he has not said absolutely no or yes yet, but he wanted to see how Cambodian troops do in Sudan first," Om Yentieng said.

"After that, Cambodia will consider whether to take another step."

The impoverished Southeast Asian nation will deploy 135 deminers this month to Sudan as it participates in a United Nations mission for the first time.

During the meeting, Mussomeli asked Cambodia to send medical personnel, as well as deminers and military police, according to Om Yentieng.

"The ambassador was very happy when the prime minister did not say no," Om Yentieng said.

A US embassy spokesman confirmed that Mussomeli met with Hun Sen, but added "we generally don't discuss diplomatic exchanges".

He did not deny that a request for troops was made.

Cambodia was host to the UN's largest-ever intervention in 1993 as it emerged from decades of civil war. Hundreds of thousands of troops remain on the rolls of the country's vast military, which is a holdover from the war years.

http://www.thanhniennews.com/worlds/?catid=9&newsid=14451

[Sirikittong]

China was kindler, they donated six patrol boats. LOL.

I don't think Cambodia should spend too much on its military, but maintaining and possibly upgrading some areas will surely secure the country. But remember, Cambodia had just went through a civil war, and a lot of our military resources have been weakened. Thailand enjoyed centuries of peacetime which allowed more time for its military to expand and become much more powerful than its neighbors. Vietnam have also had the opportunity to expand its military and train their army through wars with the French, America and China. But what I'd like to come down to is that, war is not the answer right now. In this time and age, globalization is more important than anything. A far out war would only hurt each other's economy. Having the best military right now isn't the most important thing to be concerned about.

I agree war would placate setbacks on a national economy; and considering the level of integration south east asian economies are with one another; a war in the region would adversely affect everyone.

I would to correct you on something; you state that Thailand has

enjoyed centuries of peacetime

That is not true, Thailand has been in constant warefare to secure and maintain its independence and national sovereignty, and we have done it successfully.

Our list of wars/conflicts:

War with Burma
Patani rebellion against Siamese overlordship
Patani rebellion against Siamese overlordship
Siamese interference in Cambodian affairs; annexion of provinces Mongkolborei, Sisophon, K'orat
Siamese attempt to conquer Kengtung (Shan States)
Patani rebellion, suppressed; Sultanate of Patani abolished
Cambodian Rebellion
Siamese expedition into Kedah
Siamese expedition into Perak
War with Kgd. of Vientiane
Rebellion in Kedah, Patani
War with Cambodia
Rebellion in Kedah, Patani
War with Vietnam; Siamese protectorate over Cambodia est. 1844
Siamese attempt to conquer Kengtung (Shan States)
Siamese attempt to conquer Kengtung (Shan States)
Pahang Civil War; Siamese fleet routed by the British 1862
Siamese invasion of Luang Prabang
Franco-Siamese War

Royalist Revolt
World War II; Thailand a reluctant Japanese ally
Thai-Cambodian border clash
communist insurgency
border war with Kampuchea
border war with Vietnamese-occupied Cambodia
Thai-Laotian border incident
Thai-Laotian border clashes
Insurgency of Thai Muslims (Patani)

he French-Thai War (1940 - 1941) was fought between Thailand and Vichy France over the areas of Indochina that once belonged to the former belligerent.

Following the Fall of France in 1940, the Prime Minister of Thailand, Field Marshal Pibulsonggram saw Thailand's chance of regaining the territories she had lost to the French during King Chulalongkorn's reign.

Metropolitan France's collapse made the French hold over Indochina hazardous and difficult. The isolated colonial administration, cut off from outside help and supplies, was forced to allow the Japanese to set up troop bases in Indochina. Its meek resistance and seemingly subversivient nature thus convinced the Pibulsonggram's regime that a military conflict would prove highly beneficiary for the Thais.

While nationalistic demonstrations and anti-French rallies were held in Bangkok, border skirmishes erupted along the Mekong frontier. The superior Royal Thai Air Force conducted daytime bombing runs over Vientiene, Sisophon, and Battambang with impunity. The French retaliate with their own planes, but the damage caused was less than equal. The activities of the Thai airforce was so that Admiral Jean Decoux, the governor of Indochina, grudgingly remarked that the Thai planes seemed to have been flown by men with plenty of war experience.

In early January 1941, the Thai Burapha and Isaan Armies lauched their offensive on Laos and Cambodia. French resistance was instantaneous, but many units were simply swept along by the better-equipped Thai forces. The Thais swiftly took Laos, but Cambodia proved a much harder nut to crack.

At dawn on January 16, 1941 the French launched a large counterattack on the Thai-held villages of Yang Dang Khum and Phum Preav, initiating the fiercest battle of the war. The French counterattacks were cut to pieces, and fighting ended with a French withdrawal from the area. The Thais were unable to pursue the retreating French, since their forward tanks were kept in check by the gunnery of French Foreign Legion artillerists.

As the situation on land was exacerbating for the French, Admiral Decoux ordered the available French naval forces into action in the Gulf of Thailand. In the early morning of January 17, the French navy caught the a Thai naval detachment anchored off the island of Koh Chang. The French light cruiser Lamotte-Piquet managed to sink the Thai coastal defence ship Thonburi, scoring a stinging victory. However, reverses were waiting in store for the French.

On January 24, the final air battle took place when Thai bombers raided the French airfield at Angkor.

The Japanese quickly stepped in to mediate the conflict, and a general armistice was declared on January 28. On May 9 a peace treaty was signed, with the French being coerced by the Japanese into relinguishing its hold on the disputed territories.

http://www.answers.com/topic/french-thai-war

[Cookielover]

Those are not considered war, more like petty battles between small states. Vietnam's war against the Han, Song, Mongols, Qing, Americans, French etc are considered real wars.