What Is Hmong?, F.A.Q. Options

[fatdi(k]

"Freedom / to be Free" That's just ridiculous. -

Just go ahead and ask every hmong person you see to see what hmong really means. I'm sure they'll say the same, means nothing.

you're what i call a number one class idiot. clouded by your ignorance and/or prejudice, you've made a gross assumption.

if we all say the same, it should mean something and not nothing.

if you're implying that "hmong" means nothing to every hmong, then that's the greatest error anyone can make concerning an individual's identification with a particular group/ethnic. surely, not every hmong would agree with you much less the minority of hmongs. most, if not all, people/person places a little, some or a lot of meaning to what he considers himself to be a part of that group of people.

i wouldn't be surprise if you are hmong.

fd :genius: :genius:

[yajthaugluv]

Show me the proof that Hmong means freedom/to be free but not what people think it should be. Now you're wrong, thats why you and your other peeps are called a class one idiot where all you readily accepts that hmong meant freedom/to be free with ignorance and without ever investigating its roots.

"peb hmoob" = "our people or our hmong" - original
"peb hmoob" = "our freedom" -Now using the new meaning

See how gay it is...do you want this in the vocab?
Its taken already, it shouldn't have additional meanings to it. We already have vocabs for freedom and or to be free. Friggin idiots...

If you want to create a new vocab and meaning, use something new and not taken. that way I have no objections to new vocabs.

This post has been edited by yajthaugluv: Aug 30 2004, 03:20 PM

[fatdi(k]

Show me the proof that Hmong means freedom/to be free but not what people think it should be. Now you're wrong, thats why you and your other peeps are called a class one idiot where all you readily accepts that hmong meant freedom/to be free with ignorance and without ever investigating its roots.

"peb hmoob" = "our people or our hmong" - original
"peb hmoob" = "our freedom" -Now using the new meaning

See how gay it is...do you want this in the vocab?
Its taken already, it shouldn't have additional meanings to it. We already have vocabs for freedom and or to be free. Friggin idiots...

If you want to create a new vocab and meaning, use something new and not taken. that way I have no objections to new vocabs.

link was given, if you've no time or interest to learn a thing or two about the discussed topic, you'd best shut up.

concerning your futile attempted definitions:
"peb hmoob" = "our people or our hmong" - original
"peb hmoob" = "our freedom" -Now using the new meaning

dude, the original is not a definition of "hmong". one is just written in hmong and the other in english. "peb hmong" and "our hmong" is just the same thing said in two different languages. it's comparable to saying "kuv" in hmong is "me" in english, which by the fact, does not give it's meaning of the word you've just tried to defined. :genius:

hint: if you wanted to define "hmong", at the very least, you should've quoted the dictionary or encyclopedia and go from there.

by the way, "hmong means free/freedom"<--nothing wrong with this assertion and the currently establish definition in the dictionary. there's no contradiction. a meaning can be personal, accepted within a certain group, or widely accepted as would be in the dictionary. example: "love" is defined a certain way in the dictionary, but if you ask people what does "love" mean. do you think they'll regurgitate the dictionary definition or try to relate it with their personal experiences and what they believe "love" is to be. in other words, in case if you didn't understand what i meant, a word can and will have many definitions, including "hmong". :genius:

about your "gay" remark. it's gay to implied that any word, including "hmong" should have only the define meaning. words have multiple meanings/definitions and evolve over time. many of the english words have roots stemming from latin, greek, hebrew, spanish, etc. and have evolved over time with their meanings and spelling as well. :genius:

see how "gay" your remarks are when dissected. check out what you said, ' We already have vocabs for freedom and or to be free. ' <--haha, now duh! we're not discussing the definition of freedom or to be free. we're discussing the meaning of "hmong". oh, by the way, there's a huge difference between "definition" and "meaning" of a word. but let's not get into this, you'd get confuse more. oh by the way, not "vocabs" but "definitions"<--dude what the heck is "vocabs for freedom". makes no sense, haha :genius:

about your "use something new and not used" remark. haha, this is even gayer<--haha, i'm being you. dude, as i've stated, many words we use today are not new, in fact, the majority of them have some kind of root to it's meaning, have multiple meanings/definitions, have shared similar meanings (heard of synonyms), have metaphoric meanings, have symbolic meanings, etc. etc. :genius: :genius:

fd

[yajthaugluv]

Proof... Where is it? And where's that link you've provide it, huh?

I agree that a word has many meanings and changes over time but how can one justify the word "hmong" into something else when there is really no backing of its meaning except race/ethnicity. The people who coin this recent meaning did not have an army of scholar behind their backs or to investigate them, infact, when proposed, everybody just accepted blindly without challenging its validity. Fraudulent coinings of its meaning.

"about your "use something new and not used" remark. haha, this is even gayer<--haha, i'm being you. dude, as i've stated, many words we use today are not new, in fact, the majority of them have some kind of root to it's meaning, have multiple meanings/definitions, have shared similar meanings (heard of synonyms), have metaphoric meanings, have symbolic meanings, etc. etc."

Same thing as english dude...Whether its metaphoric meanings, symbolic meanings, sarcastic meanings and etc. Tell me what the root meaning is in hmong, dude? Cause if you can't there's no need to add new meaning to it. Why coin something that you just aren't sure off?

[fatdi(k]

read first post.

fd :genius: :genius:

[yajthaugluv]

Until 1999, the Hmong people have lived without an archive of our own. The reasons can be found in our history. Over 5,000 years ago the Hmong, once highly developed with a rich culture in northeast China under the leadership of the Hmong king Chiyou, were invaded, conquered, and suppressed by the expansionist Chinese. Our civilization was taken away.

The Hmong were forced to migrate to southern China and some eventually arrived in Southeast Asia. In Laos, we were drawn into the Indochinese War on the side of the French and later of the Americans. When the communists took over Laos in 1975, we began to disperse to many parts of the world. Now we can be found in China, Vietnam, Laos, Burma, Thailand, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, French Guyana, Argentina, Canada, and the United States.

The Hmong have already lost much of our history over the years because historical records and artifacts have been neglected, thrown away, lost or destroyed. Through the Hmong Nationality Archives we want to locate and make available the remaining materials in order to ensure that they are properly handled and preserved. This way the vital heritage of our nationality will not be destroyed or forgotten.

If this is the information you are referring to, its not credible. It has nothing to do with the formation of the term "hmong" and meaning.

This post has been edited by yajthaugluv: Sep 1 2004, 07:39 PM

[fatdi(k]

as i suspected you would do. dude, i was referring to my first post, not "the first post". i made a comment on the topic. you, in turn, made a comment on my first post. one thing led to another and we're here.

as you can see, you've totally miss the bull's-eye. try again. :genius:

in case if you need a book to read. i suggest reading Dr. Chan's book "Hmong Means Free". now, do keep in mind my first post before making any other remarks.

fd :genius:

[yajthaugluv]

Haha...Sorry Be more specific next time...

Dr. Chan's book, "Hmong Means Free"? More like "bride-wealth" means prostitute...haha

Anyways, you shouldn't be quick to believe in something that its not proven yet. I'm still skeptical and oppose the use of hmong means free.

[fatdi(k]

i accept your withdrawal. we'll leave it at that.

fd :genius:

[ChuonCheat_Khmer]

i've only met one hmong in my entire life and that was in high school. she was the only hmong girl in my class.

[sHy_bOi_vAnG]

[B][FONT=Courier][SIZE=7][SIZE=14][COLOR=green]WHAT IS HMONG??? hmm really good ?......i'll answer this in my own point of view or should i say opinion.
What is Hmong? Hmong is I. I is Hmong. i got this off a video by touger xiong. hahaha! yeups he's hella tight and stupid butt that makes him hella funny. >>>OUT.

[Annoymous]

What is hmong you ask ???

Hmong is ... people that gossip and talk sh!t behind your back. (especially older hmong)

Hmong is ... people that are too prideful to the point they are too stubborn to listen to good advise/opinion.

Hmong is ... people that are ignorant and chose to fight among one another not realizing that they should be fighting for a country to call their own.

Hmong is ... people that live in such a small world and choose not to see outside it. Even tho they live in all parts of the world.

Hmong is ... People that wish to be free, yet do nothing but run and look for a place they can be left alone.

I am Hmong Xiong, and I think that wherever Hmong are heavily populated, there are trivial hmong issues. ( Minnesota, Wisconsin, and California mainly) (ex: hmong gangs, clan wars) Hmong should care more about there heritage and do something about it to establish a country of some sort instead of complaining as to why someone else is not doing it for them. Hmong people need to grow up...even the older ones that think they are so wise and make a move to do more about this cause. I know some hmong are...But the majority of hmong people do nothing.

What about me ??? I am currently in the works to making a movie that will break the mold on hmong documenturies and weak a$$ California hmong movies... I will make a movie that tells of the Hmong history from the little bits and pieces of information we have. Be on the lookout for it.

This post has been edited by Annoymous: Sep 10 2004, 10:55 AM

[EmSkittles19]

^^HELLO can i be in your movie. I look like hmong, really I do. I'll even be in it for free, I want to help out my hmong brethren because when my mom was in school she had lotsa hmong friend and they were so nice i need to pay em back

[yajthaugluv]

What is hmong you ask ???

Hmong is ... people that gossip and talk sh!t behind your back. (especially older hmong)

Hmong is ... people that are too prideful to the point they are too stubborn to listen to good advise/opinion.

Hmong is ... people that are ignorant and chose to fight among one another not realizing that they should be fighting for a country to call their own.

Hmong is ... people that live in such a small world and choose not to see outside it. Even tho they live in all parts of the world.

Hmong is ... People that wish to be free, yet do nothing but run and look for a place they can be left alone.

Haha...Now thats more like it.hehe

[fatdi(k]

What is hmong you ask ???

Hmong is ... people that gossip and talk sh!t behind your back. (especially older hmong)

Hmong is ... people that are too prideful to the point they are too stubborn to listen to good advise/opinion.

Hmong is ... people that are ignorant and chose to fight among one another not realizing that they should be fighting for a country to call their own.

Hmong is ... people that live in such a small world and choose not to see outside it. Even tho they live in all parts of the world.

Hmong is ... People that wish to be free, yet do nothing but run and look for a place they can be left alone.

I am Hmong Xiong, and I think that wherever Hmong are heavily populated, there are trivial hmong issues. ( Minnesota, Wisconsin, and California mainly) (ex: hmong gangs, clan wars) Hmong should care more about there heritage and do something about it to establish a country of some sort instead of complaining as to why someone else is not doing it for them. Hmong people need to grow up...even the older ones that think they are so wise and make a move to do more about this cause. I know some hmong are...But the majority of hmong people do nothing.

What about me ??? I am currently in the works to making a movie that will break the mold on hmong documenturies and weak a$$ California hmong movies... I will make a movie that tells of the Hmong history from the little bits and pieces of information we have. Be on the lookout for it.

you must not be very happy with who you are and how your life have transpired.

most if not all of what you've said applies to every human being. if you'll notice, everybody gossips. including yourself, it's not a ethnicity thing or an age thing. if you'll notice, most people are too prideful to listen to advice from another person. re-evaluate yourself, you are the image (a person) whom you've degraded.

notice how you've indicated this to "hmongs" in general. if you peel yourself apart, you have issues, it's because you're probably young and naive. if you fail to identify yourself with "being hmong", who will you identify yourself with. surely, you're not white, brown, red or black. no matter how you try to deny, obscure, reject it, bottom line, "you're hmong". even if you are an "american, austrian, etc." the word hmong must precede the state/nation with which you've come to regard as your citizen state/nation. you will always be at most, "hmong americans, hmong austrian, hmong-thai, etc." you can not escape that you are hmong, you can only come to the realization that you are hmong.

really, if you'll notice, it's folks like yourself, that tarnishes "what hmong really means" and who we really are. we are, i suspect, one of the oldest surviving group of people (no proofs here, just my speculation per chinese history, we were there, in china before they were. so our history pre-dates chinese history if not at the same time.)

if you'll notice, hmongs have disagreements between clan members, not to the point where we are killing one another, but where we understand there are differences between subgroups within the entire hmong race. if you'll notice, the different clan members, for the most part, try to come together to discuss the issues and find a solution. if you'll notice, this is liken to the u.s. judicial system. as hmongs, we view our traditional laws and we interpret them as they apply to us and according to how the establish system can come into accord with varying differences. it is mainly to fix what has been wrong, and not to wrong what is right.

the fact that hmongs congregate together, no matter where we have been disperse, shows a great deal that hmongs are so much harder to assimilate than any other groups of people. hmongs stick together (i'm not so certain of this in the younger generations. they tend to think they know it all and know what's best for them yet, they don't even know who they are).

hmongs do want to be free from persecuation, just like any other group being persecuted. it's a human thing, to want to be free, to do what we want, how we want, etc. hmongs do not like to force another group of people into their submission, perhaps this was our greatest error. but unfortunately, others are not the same. if we all, would just live and worry less about having others do what we want them to do, we'd be in a much happier world.

i think the "hmong xiong" where ever you are, is naive and ignorant of who he is. if he'll but notice the trivial issues are among all groups of people, each will handle it their own way. hmongs no different. i'm sure not all your armenians, chinese, jews, etc. would handle it the way hmong does, nor the way the american legal system dictates. not all issues need be taken to court. some things are best handle out of court. hmongs are not the only group afflicted with gangs, dude. open up. stop being so shallow, dumb and naive.

first learn to grow up, to know, to see, to realize. maybe then, you'll be in a position to do something about "the hmongs". hopefully, you'll grow up, mature and realize that you are hmong and know it's your duty to help yourself, your family, your hmong community, your community at large, your state, your country of citizenship, and the world altogether, especially hmongs abroad. when you know this, you'll know how and why older hmongs say and do the things that they do. how and why you just did what you did. and how and why you will do what you may begin to do years from now.

i truly hope that you succeed in doing what you've indicated you would do. let's hope your documentary is one of value, insight into what hmong really are. hopefully, it's not going to be little bits and pieces of this and that but actual research into the "history of hmong". you'd be amaze at who and what we are.

fd :genius: :genius:

[chou_xiong]

What is hmong you ask ???

Hmong is ... people that gossip and talk sh!t behind your back. (especially older hmong)

Hmong is ... people that are too prideful to the point they are too stubborn to listen to good advise/opinion.

Hmong is ... people that are ignorant and chose to fight among one another not realizing that they should be fighting for a country to call their own.

Hmong is ... people that live in such a small world and choose not to see outside it. Even tho they live in all parts of the world.

Hmong is ... People that wish to be free, yet do nothing but run and look for a place they can be left alone.

I am Hmong Xiong, and I think that wherever Hmong are heavily populated, there are trivial hmong issues. ( Minnesota, Wisconsin, and California mainly) (ex: hmong gangs, clan wars) Hmong should care more about there heritage and do something about it to establish a country of some sort instead of complaining as to why someone else is not doing it for them. Hmong people need to grow up...even the older ones that think they are so wise and make a move to do more about this cause. I know some hmong are...But the majority of hmong people do nothing.

What about me ??? I am currently in the works to making a movie that will break the mold on hmong documenturies and weak a$$ California hmong movies... I will make a movie that tells of the Hmong history from the little bits and pieces of information we have. Be on the lookout for it.

Actually hmong cannot get a country now....you know why...because the world is now like before that you can take an army and invade...nope....there are allies, treaties...peace agreement and the united nation....the only way we can get a country is if another powerful country gives us a country....

[chou_xiong]

ok who ever write this topic is very stupid because as human beings it should be who are the hmong not what is hmong.....we are not a thing....we are human. who we are you ask.....our true religion is shamanism....we use to live in china but was driven south to what is now loas and thailand and vietnam...we wear traditional clothing and we have our own lords and fudalism...but as time goes on we change like all people.... but hmong is who we are not not what is hmong.....

[Son-of-Mao]

So, Hmongs were invaded. Do any try to get their share of land back or atleast like an autonomy? I don't hear much about Hmongs fighting for their land.

[yajthaugluv]

We try and our flames were put out because of betrayal. Now we scatter all over the world.

[chou_xiong]

The FAQ was not "Who are the Hmong", they've always been "What

SINCE YOU KNOW THAT HMONG ARE A GROUP OF PEOPLE IT IS MORE APPROPRATE TO SAY WHO INSTEAD OF WHAT...GET IT...SAYING WHAT IS JUST IGNORANT....AND UNEDUCATE...WHO IS TO PEOPLE AND WHAT IS TO THINGS....DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT? BECAUSE IT IS VERY OFFENDED TO SAY WHAT INSTEAD OF WHO WHEN YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT HMONG ARE HUMAN.