Philippine Claim To Sabah, North Borneo, Sultanate of Sulu is rightful owner Options

[kermit_criminal]

we shouldnt worry about fighting with each other for sabah, spratleys etc.. because i believe the long-term goal of ASEAN is to eventually unite as our economies come closer together and become more intertwined. VIVA SUNDALAND! As China and India grow stronger, we must come closer together!

[pancaindera]

^ sorry to spoil ur party but i just found out that phils actually was not part of sundaland. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_sad.gif) . but we still can pretend it was lol. but u are right, we must forge ahead towards better, hmm, errrm,*finding right word* ....towards betterment. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

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[kermit_criminal]

^ sorry to spoil ur party but i just found out that phils actually was not part of sundaland. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_sad.gif) . but we still can pretend it was lol. but u are right, we must forge ahead towards better, hmm, errrm,*finding right word* ....towards betterment. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

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not sundaland specifically but were connected at one point

ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/GLOBE_DEM/picture...veldrop110m.jpg

sulu was even connected to sabah lol, not that it matters

[lackor]

I thought you were referring to sundaland afc (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2 I was wondering "Why is this guy saying viva sundaland, did they just score a goal or something" hahaha.

Do you think the seas are going to recede then and sundaland will once again rise? How do you envisage the asean nations coming together? I want to get a book written by Tun Dr Mahathir called "reflections on asean", has anyone read it?

How do fillipinos see Asean as an organisation. What do they want it to give them?
step up pinoys(hope its not derogatory to say that, i know the fillipino youth call themselves that a lot). How can we can make life better for ourselves (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)

[halohalo]

I thought you were referring to sundaland afc  (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2 I was wondering "Why is this guy saying viva sundaland, did they just score a goal or something" hahaha.

Do you think the seas are going to recede then and sundaland will once again rise? How do you envisage the asean nations coming together? I want to get a book written by Tun Dr Mahathir called "reflections on asean", has anyone read it?

How do fillipinos see Asean as an organisation. What do they want it to give them?
step up pinoys(hope its not derogatory to say that, i know the fillipino youth call themselves that a lot). How can we can make life  better for ourselves  (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)

im actually quite happy that phils is becoming more closer to its neighbours now. Not like b4, where they chose to associate more with Spain or the US. Yeah, i'm all for ASEAN! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[pancaindera]

not sundaland specifically but were connected at one point

ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/GLOBE_DEM/picture...veldrop110m.jpg

sulu was even connected to sabah lol, not that it matters

yes, indeed we were connected. let the party continue! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/party.gif) viva sundaland!
btw, 'sundal' means horney slut in malay, so sundaland: 'land of horney sluts' (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/love2.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) 2

[Najjiah]

im actually quite happy that phils is becoming more closer to its neighbours now. Not like b4, where they chose to associate more with Spain or the US. Yeah, i'm all for ASEAN!  (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)   (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

and thank god for that. its about freakin time we got close to our TRUE racially related neighbors which are malaysia & indonesia. for years lots of filipinos lived in denial. we arent just tanned chinese people... WE ARE ACTUALLY MALAY. being filipino, i felt as if we were always attaching ourselves to the latest culture craze (since a lot of our indiginous culture was taken away from us by spain). first it was spanish, then american, and now its all about the northern asian nations (japan, china, korea).

at least we are getting it right this time. yaay! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

[pinoybroker.com]

can we just divide Sabah?
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[Ek-ek]

Silly suggestion. Sabah should be taken as a whole

[Protoculture]

Silly suggestion. Sabah should be taken as a whole

What for, pray tell .... What can Phillippines offer to Sabah?

Your country being wrecked with political instability, widespread corruotion, military forces with coup de tat's history, several guerilla insurgencies, rough financial records & economy in the gutters .....

Sorry, there's no positive rewards to Sabah & her people in becoming Phillippine territory.

[Protoculture]

^ damn. im sorry to hear that. if those are true, i just hope whoever perpetrated these abuses be punished accordingly, whether by law, god or karma. they are evil, stupid and irresponsible. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsdown.gif)
the last story seems a bit bogus though, imo  (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_confused.gif)

Actually, the young girl mentioned in those outdated news source was a Malaysian.

In technical mishaps, the girl got nabbed by MY police & got deported along with the illegals to Phillippines.

The story ends when we finally acknowledged that the girl is Malaysian after her relatives lodged a complaint & Phil Govt. returned her to us.

The dastard cops already on trial regarding sexual abuse.

End of story.

[Protoculture]

Plus the fact that no matter how we argue about history etc...
Sabah , Sarawak, Kedah, Perlis,Kelantan, Terengganu are already part of Malaysia

And try to learn to accept the fact & live with it as well.

[poknat]

What for, pray tell .... What can Phillippines offer to Sabah?

Your country being wrecked with political instability, widespread corruotion, military forces with coup de tat's history, several guerilla insurgencies, rough financial records & economy in the gutters .....

Sorry, there's no positive rewards to Sabah & her people in becoming Phillippine territory.

(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_twisted.gif) Sabah is a milking cow for Malaysia too!
Speak for yourself... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

[pancaindera]

^ i think u r right. sabah is full of natural resources, but sadly most of the wealth it generates goes to the federal govt. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_sad.gif) . and we are left to be one of the poorest state in m'sia. however i think we are still quite a sufficiently nutritioned healthy cow. no offense, but if we were under philippines, i think we might end up being an under-nourished sick and skinny old milking cow.

[Protoculture]

(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_twisted.gif)   Sabah is a milking cow for Malaysia too!
Speak for yourself... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

Whoever said so .... Terengganu, Sabah & Sarawak are the cash-cow for oil revenue.

The revenues is divided between the Federal Govt. & the abovesaid states.

[Datuiskander]

If you want to learn more about the claim to Sabah please check out this official website

HM Sultan Muhammad Fuad Abdulla Kiram I is the most capable and most suitable member of the Royal blood line as per Law of Succession of the Royal House of Sulu and Sabah and is the legitimate and lawful Royal Hashemite Sultan of Sulu and Sabah. HM Sultan Muhammad Fuad A. Kiram I is the brother of the late HM Sultan Mahakuttah Abdulla Kiram (Sultan 1974-1986) and son of the late HM Sultan Muhammad Esmail E. Kiram I (Sultan 1947-1973), who gave the power of attorney to Philippine Pres. Diosdado Macapagal in 1962 then to Philippine Pres. Ferdinand E. Marcos in 1969 for the Philippine Government to recover Sabah. His grandfather was HM Sultan Mawallil Wasit Kiram, successor to his brother HM Sultan Jamalul Kiram II (Sultan 1893-1936), childless, who died of poisoning. HM Sultan Mawallil Wasit Kiram ruled only for six (6) months due to death by poisoning in 1936, whereupon the throne was inherited by his first-born son HM Sultan Muhammad Esmail E. Kiram I. The father of HM Jamalul Kiram II was HM Sultan Jamalul Ahlam Kiram who leased North Borneo (Sabah) to a British Company in 1878. HRH Prince Ezzarhaddon A. Kiram is the Crown Prince of the Royal Hashemite Sultanate of Sabah and is known as the Prince of Kota Kinabalu while his brother HRH Prince Al-mezzheer A. Kiram is the Crown Prince of the Royal Hashemite Sultanate of Sulu and is known as the Prince of Jolo.

Copyright © 2006 Royal Sulu. www.royalsulu.com All rights reserved.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif) Will that claim materialized?

Malaysia would never give it up just like some islands that Indonesia is claiming.

[Astromantic]

I with y'all Filipinos! You guys deserve Sabah. It's enough for Malaysia to take people's lands...

[Kanlungan]

When will Filipinos get over Sabah.. take note that the Igorot homeland (former Mountain province.. not the "mountain province" that exist now.. the MP that existed before the war) and areas of Mindanao were not originally part of "Filipinas". Maybe the Philippine state should allow them to secede?
Hmf!

[Reilynx]

Since the squatting Malaysians like Sabah so much, and are willing to pay the rent in settling that land, The Sultanate of Sulu should just sell it to the Malaysians with the Philippines as the broker.

Sell it for no less than a Trillion US dollars.

Split it like 50/50. 500 Billion will be divided among the rightful heirs, and the other half that would go to the Philippine goverment will be used to develop Sulu and Mindanao.

Deal? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_twisted.gif)

If Malaysia doesn't agree on those terms, we'll tell Dubya that Osama is hiding in Malaysia. He may actually believe it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

Then BAM!!! The Philippines, Indonesia, and Singapore are instant coalition forces. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

When will Filipinos get over Sabah.. take note that the Igorot homeland (former Mountain province.. not the "mountain province" that exist now.. the MP that existed before the war) and areas of Mindanao were not originally part of "Filipinas". Maybe the Philippine state should allow them to secede?
Hmf!

Allow them to secede??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused.gif) Yeah Right! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by Reilynx: Oct 28 2006, 05:35 AM

[islander]

Some sources say Philippines gave up rights to Sabah in 1978 while other sources say they still claim it. So which is it. Others sources say they claim Sabah entirely. But found out that really its not the whole Sabah.

Sulu, at this time, had hereditary sovereign rights to the northeast coast of North Borneo from
Boeloengan to Marudu Bay and over the northwest coast as far as Pandasan.

and

In 1875, an Austrian named Overbeck purchased the North Borneo leases of the
American Trading Company. He later joined with a wealthy and influential Englishman,
Alfred Dent, and in 1877 they renegotiated the agreements with the Sultan of Brunei for the
territory between Kimanis Bay and the Seboekoe River on the east. In exchange for an
annual payment, the two obtained full sovereignty over the territory of modern-day Sabah.
Knowing of the rights and claims of the Sultan of Sulu, they then negotiated a similar
cession with him. The territory between the rivers Pandasan in the west and Seboekoe in
the east, for an annual tribute of $5,000, was ceded on January 22, 1878, six months
before the final Spanish conquest of the Sultanate

So Philippines claim is

The territory between the rivers Pandasan in the west and Seboekoe in
the east

. Think it is over 1/3 to 1/2 of Sabah.

Some say land not that good since mostly jungle and some parts have elephants running around.
If there is oil then the Philippines should see into annexing there part of Sabah. Can ask US or China for help. However. will probably have current nation which controls it has a future enemy. Do the ppl. living there want it or not since this also could cause problems in the future. Philippines could make agreement with current owner to give up claim if they allow the Philippines to share in oil and resource profits in the claim region.
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This post has been edited by islander: Oct 28 2006, 06:35 PM