Facts on Mongol and Manchu Relationship, only facts and pictures Options

[Anda]

7 generation traitor

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Čebdenĵab, Vice General, Pacifier of the Frontier, Commandery Prince with the rank of Imperial Prince [with the epithet] chaoyong (Outstanding and Brave)

Čebdenĵab (1705-1782) belonged to the Borjigit clan and was a member of the East Mongol Qalqa. His illustrious father Cering had been honored by marriage to an Imperial Princess and thereby awarded the title Consort (of the Imperial Princess). Since 1755 he gained merit by persecuting the West Mongol rebel leaders Dawaci and Amursana. In the spring of 1758, he decisively participated as General in the victory of the battle of Khorgos and was awarded the honorary title ‘Eminent and Brave' of his father. Later he was transferred to posts in Ili and Tibet. From 1771 to 1773 he acted as third Governor of Qalqa. In his commentary, the Qianlong Emperor makes special mention of Čebdenĵab’s imperial descent, praises his excellence in horseback archery, and compares him in his lack of literary aspirations to the famous generals of old.

[Anda]

Those Manchu nobles heavily mixed with Mongols

You are right.

There are lots of documents about Mongol and Manchu intermarriages. Unfortunately Mongols (specially in Mongolia) are not really fond of being related to Manchus, because Manchus brought Mongols in
China. Mongol khans and Noyons who allied with Manchus through marriage or annual gold /silver/silk
payment were considered/ labeled as collaboraters/ traitors present Mongolian History.
So historical texts are very hesitant to mention it.
Actually it is just one of the ancient traditions, even Chinggis khaan gave his daughters to allied
princes. It was same to Manchus too. The Qing Manchus often contracted marriages with the Mongols as a means of securing political alliances.
Personally i believe Manchus played good and bad roles in history of Mongols. Good ones are Manchus prevented any further bloody civil wars among Mongols and protected Mongols from Russians and Chinese for 2 centuries.


Inner Mongolia Khans had contact with Manchus much earlier. There were lots of inermarriages between them. therefore some Inner Mongolian princes remained loyal to very end Manchu Imperors line. Last Emperor Pu Yi mentioned in his memior " from Imperor to citizen" that inner Mongolian prince Babojaoba ( maybe Bavuujav) was paying homage even at that time Pu Yi had no power.

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-Huang Taiji (Manchu: ; Chinese: 皇太極 huáng tài jí; also known as 洪太極 hóng tài jí or 黃台吉 huáng tái jí; Abahai Sain Khaan- in Mongolian) had Mongol princess, who later became the Grand Empress Dowager Xiao Zhuang (Manchu: Hiyoošungga Ambalinggū Genggiyenšu Hūwanghu).

Grand Empress Dowager Xiao Zhuang Wen (zh: 孝莊太后 Hiyoošungga Ambalinggū Genggiyenšu Hūwanghu as the Empress in Manchu; March 28, 1613 - January 27, 1688) was the grandmother of Emperor Kang Xi of the Qing Dynasty. She was a daughter of a prince of Borjigit, the Horqin Mongols, Prince Jaisang, thus was a descendant of Genghis Khan. Her given name was Bumbutai.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Empress...ger_Xiao_Zhuang


2. The Shunzhi Emperor (March 15, 1638–February 5, 1661?) was the second emperor of the Manchu Qing dynasty, and the first Qing emperor to rule over China proper from 1644 to 1661.
Emperor Shunzi had 2 Mongol consort
- The Demoted Empress (廢后), from the Borjigit Mongol clan, niece of Empress Dowager Xiaozhuang, demoted in 1653
- Empress Xiaohui Zhang (Chinese: 孝惠章皇后; Manchu: Hiyoošungga Fulehun Eldembuhe Hūwanghu) (d. 1718) from the Borjigit Mongol clan, made empress in 1654

3. The Kangxi Emperor - Enkh Amgalan Khaan (May 4, 1654 – December 20, 1722) was the third Emperor of the Manchu Qing dynasty, and the second Qing emperor to rule over all of China. His grandmother was Mongol. He gave his some of his daughters to Mongol Princes for marriage.

4. The Yongzheng Emperor - Nairalt Tuv Khaan (born Yinzhen 胤禛) (December 13, 1678 - October 8, 1735) was the fourth emperor of the Manchu Qing Dynasty, and the third Qing emperor to rule over China, from 1722 to 1735.

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5. The Qianlong Emperor - Tengeriig Tetgesen Khaan (born Prince Hongli, September 25, 1711 – February 7, 1799) was the fifth emperor of the Manchu Qing Dynasty,
He had consort Ying Kuai Fei (1731 - 1800) of the Silam clan of Mongol origin.

6. The Jiaqing Emperor - Saishaal Eroolt Khaan (November 13, 1760 – September 2, 1820) was the sixth emperor of the Manchu Qing dynasty, and the fifth Qing emperor to rule over China, from 1796 to 1820.

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7. The Daoguang Emperor - Tor Gerelt Khaan (September 16, 1782 - February 25, 1850) was the seventh emperor of the Manchu Qing dynasty, and the sixth Qing emperor to rule over China, from 1820 to 1850.

He had Empress Xiaojing Cheng (孝静成皇后) (1812 - 1855) of the Borjigit Mongol clan.

8. The Xianfeng Emperor, - Tugeemel Elbeg Khaan- born Yizhu, (July 17, 1831 - August 22, 1861) was the eighth Emperor of the Manchu Qing Dynasty, and the seventh Qing emperor to rule over China, from 1850 to 1861.

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9. The Tongzhi Emperor, -Buren zasagt Khaan - born Zaichun (April 27, 1856–January 12, 1875) was the ninth emperor of the Manchu Qing Dynasty, and the eighth Qing emperor to rule over China, from 1861 to 1875.
-Empress Alute, (孝哲毅皇后) of the Alute clan (1854 - 1875). Tongzhi married Lady Alute from a Mongol clan and died of smallpox at the age of 18.

10. The Guangxu Emperor - Badarguult Tor Khaan- Badarangga Doro -(August 14, 1871–November 14, 1908), born Zaitian (載湉), was the tenth emperor of the Manchu Qing dynasty, and the ninth Qing emperor to rule over China

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11. Puyi - Hevt Yos Khaan - (Chinese:溥儀;) (February 7, 1906–October 17, 1967) of the Manchu Aisin-Gioro ruling family was the Xuantong Emperor (宣統皇帝) of China between 1908 and 1924 (ruling emperor between 1908 and 1912, and non-ruling emperor between 1912 and 1924), the tenth and last emperor of the Manchu Qing Dynasty to rule over China.

Not??? But i read about that he had Mongol consort too

[MING-LOYALIST]

Puyi had a consort 'Wan ru' but she was a Duar.

Another important Mongol prince was Senggelinqin the prince of 'Ke er qin' mongols, he fought in the second opium war against the British and French, taiping rebels and nian rebels.

[Anda]

Puyi had a consort 'Wan ru' but she was a Duar.

I heard that but could not find any document on that. I heard Pu Yi really loved her. Does Pu Yi's book say about that.

Another important Mongol prince was Senggelinqin the prince of 'Ke er qin' mongols, he fought in the second opium war against the British and French, taiping rebels and nian rebels.

Mongols took part of lots of military campaign of Manchus. In Outer Mongolia, it was so much burden on population, so Mongol Khans sent the people who are accused for crime or whoever did not get along with aristocrats. It was more like exile, nothing glorious. More than 10 years military service, Many never returned at all

Is this Keerqin Khorchin Mongol?

Do you any comprehensive information on him Senggeluqin ? Sounds like Tsengunjav. There are 2 person - Chingunjav, Tsengunjav.

1. Chingunjav was Noyon of Khotgoid Mongol. He led unsuccessful rebellion against Manchus, killed in Beijing under torture. He (his tumb) was buried in Mongolia. He is Hero.

2. Tsengunjav was awarded by manchus Manchus Junwang title.( probably chaoyongwang). he is considered as traitor. I guess he had no other choices.

[MING-LOYALIST]

^Obviously it can't be Chingunjav so it must be Tsengunjav.
He lived in 1811-1865

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A photo of him

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His tomb in Inner Mongolia.




Senggelinqin appears in TV drama series <Prince Gong> where he helps Prince Gong to put Empress Cixi and Cian in power.
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he is the dude on the right with Pince Gong in the centre and Empress Cixi on the left.

The series has a another name called<一生为奴><slave for life> which is what Prince Gong was.
He was one of the few Manchu princes who people loved yet he was confined to a miserable life.
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Its a good story about the decay of late Qing dynasty.
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Boy emporers, power hungary emporess, conservatives and idiots run the court.
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[Anda]

Puyi had a consort 'Wan ru' but she was a Duar.

it was claim that Henry Pu Yi's miss was actually a Dawoer (around this time they was better known as New Manchu, a classificatoin that was broad and consist of many northern groups)
some background on her I find
婉容纪念馆
姓名:郭布罗婉容
别名:字-慕鸿;别号-植莲
生辰:1905年10月27日(阴历9月29日)
祭日:1946年6月20日
籍贯:北京
地区:北京地安门帽儿胡同
国家:中国
民族:达斡尔

The Manchugo emperor Pu Yi's wife Wan Rong was a Daur. The highest Mongolian commander within Manchukuo was Daur, Guo Wenling. Together with Lingsheng, another Daur notable from Hulunbuir, Gui was instrumental in persuading Pu Yi to become emperor of Manchukuo in 1932. (p155)

During the 1860 Franco-British expedition, made famous by the looting of the Summer Palace (圓明園), the combined armies met a strong Chinese resistance at Palikao (八哩橋). The “Tartar” cavalry, some of them still using bows, was repelled, but its courage and contempt of death was very much admired by the French who, more than once, were grateful to the British for their support and their Amstrong guns.

Head-taking incentives were still practiced during the 1895 Sino-Japanese war, and iirc Sengelinqin used head-basd rewards to motivate his troops during the Allied advance on Beijing in 1900

This post has been edited by Anda: Jun 13 2006, 01:10 PM

[Anda]

Gunjiin Süm – Temple of the Peaceful Princess

Temple Dedicated to the Manchu Wife of Dondovdorj, Father of the Second Bogd Gegeen.

Location: N048°11.009 – E107°33.379, 35.6 miles northeast of Ulaan Baatar as the crow flies and 64 miles by road via the tourist center of Terelj, at the upper end of Khökh Chuluutiin Gol, a small tributary of the Dund Bayangiin Gol, which flows into the Tuul River near Terelj. Accessible only by four-wheel drive vehicle, as several small streams north of Terelj must be crossed. In summer it might be necessary to walk the last mile or so because of the swampy road, but in winter, when the ground it frozen, it is possible to drive the whole way, assuming there is not too much snow.

The 1657 danshig naadam held for Zanabazar at Erdene Zuu after his return from his second trip to Tibet marked the ascension of his influence among his Mongolian followers. As Russian scholar Podzneev points out, “The Gegen’s might in Eastern Khalkha reached its extreme limits at this time; they believed in him and came to him with the most extraordinary requests.” For instance, his nephew Galdandorj, son of the Tüsheet Khan, met with Zanabazar and implored him to cure his wife’s infertility and grant him a son. After numerous such entreaties Zanabazar finally said:
I know that thou wouldst need a son; therefore when I set out in a miraculous manner for Tibet, I visited there the mountain of the hermits, and in a certain cave I found a lama named Arthasiddha, a reincarnation of Vajrapani. I told him that there was one prince among us who needed a son, and asked him for that; he replied to me that when he had completed his meditation he would be ready to be reborn as the son that prince. In proof of his fairness, I demanded that he give me an acknowledgement, and I now present it to thee. This lama died today, and his soul ought to be incarnated in the womb of thy wife.
Galdandorj’s wife did shortly thereafter become pregnant and eventually gave birth to a son who was given the name Dondovdorj.

After First Bogd Gegeen Zanabazar recognized Manchu suzerainty in 1691 the Qing emperor awarded Galdandorj the title of Darkhan-Ch’ing-Wang. His son, Dondovdorj, was brought up in Beijing, in the Qing court of Kangxi, and in 1697 the emperor gave him a princess to marry. Some Sources imply that the princess, named Khicheengoui Amarlangui, was one of Kangxi’s own daughters, while others maintain she was the daughter of one the First Degree Qing princes. In either case, his marriage led to Dondovdorj’s further advancement in the Qing court, and in 1700, after his father’s death, he too was awarded the title of Darkhan-Ch’ing-Wang, in addition to becoming the new Tüsheet Khan. Dondovdorj was, however, a notorious boozer, devil-may-care lady’s man, all-around roisterer, and a poet to boot, and after gregarious affronts to public decorum he was finally forced to relinquish both his position as Tüsheet Khan and his Qing title of Darkhan-Ch’ing-Wang.

Reduced in rank to a second-degree prince, Dondovdorj returned to Mongolia, presumably with his Manchu wife. He eventually distinguished himself on the battlefield and apparently fought against the resurgent Zuungariin Mongols who under the leadership of Galdan Bolshigt’s nephew Tzevan-Ravdan had invaded Tibet in 1716.

The Qing emperor Kangxi died in 1722. Zanabazar was in Mongolia at the time of Kangxi’s death. He immediately decided to return to Beijing and pay his respects to Kangxi’s remains, even though he (Zanabazar) was in his late eighties at the time. Accompanying him was Dondovdorj. The new Qing emperor, Kangxi’s son Yongzheng, forgave Dondovdorj’s previous transgressions and he was again elevated to the title of Darkhan-Ch’ing-Wang. As an additional perk he was given yet another Manchu princess in marriage.

Not long after his arrival in Beijing Zanabazar fell ill. Sensing that his end may have been nearing, his attendants asked him where and under what circumstances he would be reborn. According to tradition, Zanabazar replied, “The second wang [Dondovdorj] should bring into his home a maiden belonging according to birth to the year of the monkey or the chicken.” This was interpreted to mean that Dondovdorj was to find a Mongolian girl born in either the year of the monkey or the chicken and that the second Bogd Gegeen would be born to her. Apprized of this prophesy, the emperor Yongzheng gave Dondovdorj permission to immediately return home and seek a new wife. Back in Mongolia Dondovdorj straight away found a nineteen-year old woman named Tsagaan-Dara-Bayartu who had been born in the year of the monkey and just a month after his marriage to the Chinese princess he took her as his third wife.

Zanabazar in himself died in 1723 in Beijing. In 1724, “at daybreak on the first day of the middle of the spring moon in the Wood Dragon year” a son was born to Tsagaan-Dara-Bayartu. In 1728 the boy took his first monastic vows and was given the name Lusandanbidonme. In 1729 he was declared the Second Bogd Gegeen, the seventeenth incarnation of Javzandamba.

Dondovdorj’s
- second Manchu wife faded into the background and nothing seems to be known of her. To this day, however, numerous folktales exist about the first one,
-First wife Khicheengoui Amarlangoui, who moved to Mongolia to live with her husband and eventually came to love her adapted country and its people. “The Peaceful Princess,” as she was called, came to consider herself a Mongolian and according to legend she said that when she died she did not her body returned to the land of her ancestors but instead wished to be buried in Mongolia. "I am the wife of a Mongolian man, therefore I am a Mongolian. Bury me in Mongolian soil,” she reportedly said.

Here the ”Peaceful Princess” reenters the historical record. The Qing emperor Yongzheng’s successor, Qianlong, heard about the princess’s wish and in 1740 ordered that a temple be built in Mongolia to hold her remains (one Source claims Dondovdorj himself had the temple built).
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The so-called Gunjiin Süm consisted of five parts: a tower, the Bogd Entrance, a guard house, the central temple, and the grave of the princess. The complex was heavily damaged in the 1930s communist extremes, however, and now only remnants of the tower and the Bogd Entrance remain. The temple was gutted but the shell remains and has been restored to a certain extant.

[my2cents]

7 generation traitor

what the hell is 7 generation traitor? Go fcuk yourself!!