Nanchao, Nanchao Options

[BishoujoHunter]

Laotians,Thais,Austronesians,Khmers and viets have one in common they all came from Southern China while the Austronesians and Khmers Expanded already

Nanchao is a Thai kingdom in Yunnan that conquered some parts of Szechuan

The forebears of the modern Thai were Tai-speaking people living south of the Chang Jiang (y angtze River) on the mountainous plateau of what is now the Chinese province of Yunnan (see The Thai and Other Tai-Speaking Peoples, ch. 2). Early Chinese records (the first recorded Chinese reference to the Tai is dated sixth cen- tury BC) document the Tai cultivating wetland rice in valley and lowland areas. During the first millennium AD, before the emergence of formal states governed by Tai-speaking elates, these people lived in scattered villages drawn together into ~uang, or principalities. Each ~uang was governed by a chao, or lord, who ruled by virtue of personal qualities and a network of patron-client relationships. Often the constituent villages of a ~uang would band 1 together to defend their lands from more powerful neighboring people, such as the Chinese and Vietnamese. : The state of Nanchao played a key role in Tai development. In i the mid-seventh century AD, the Chinese Tang Dynasty, threatened by powerful western neighbors like Tibet, sought to secure its southwestern borders by fostering the growth of a friendly state ; formed by the people they called ~an (southern barbarians) in the ~ Yunnan region. This state was known as Nanchao Originally an j ally, Nanchao became a powerful foe of the Chinese in subsequent centuries and extended its domain into what is now Burma and . northern Vietnam. In 1253 the armies of Kublai Khan conquered Nanchao and incorporated it into the Yuan (Mongol) Chinese empire Nanchao's significance for the Tai people was twofold. First, it blocked Chinese influence from the north for many centuries. Had Nanchao not existed, the Tai, like most of the originally non Chinese peoples south of the Chang Jiang, might have been completely assimilated into the Chinese cultural sphere. Second, Nanchao stimulated Tai migration and expansion. Over several centuries, bands of Tai from Yunnan moved steadily into Southeast Asia, and by the thirteenth century they had reached as far west as Assam (in present-day India). Once settled, they became identified in Burma as the Shan and in the upper Mekong region as the Lao. In Tonkin and Annam, the northern and central portions ~ of present-day Vietnam, the Tai formed distinct tribal groupings: Tai Dam (Black Tai), Tai Deng (Red Tai), Tai Khao (White Tai), and Nung. However, most of the Tai settled on the northern and western fringes of the Khmer Empire. The Thai have traditionally regarded the founding of the kingdom of Sukhothai as marking their emergence as a distinct nation. Tradition sets 1238 as the date when Tai chieftains overthrew the Khmer at Sukhothai, capital of Angkor's outlying northwestern I province, and established a Tai kingdom. A flood of migration resulting from Kublai Khan' s conquest of Nanchao furthered the consolidation of independent Tai states. Tai warriors, fleeing the Mongol invaders, reinforced Sukhothai against the Khmer, ensuring its supremacy in the central plain. In the north, other T AI war 1 parties conquered the old Mon state of Haripunjaya and in 1296 ~ founded the kingdom of Lan Na with its capital at Chiang Mal.

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[DaiNamViet]

Nanchao is extinct, the Mongols overan this WEAK kingdom back in the 13th century, Lets just bury it and leave it at that (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[BishoujoHunter]

Nanchao is extinct, the Mongols overan this WEAK kingdom back in the 13th century, Lets just bury it and leave it at that (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Yes,I agree

[tqt]

Another name for Nanchao is "Da Li" right?

[Nuruk]

damn this place is education i should be graduating from like asiafinest high school or something shoot

[DaiNamViet]

Another name for Nanchao is "Da Li" right?

Possible, During the attack on Nam Viet 111 BC.. the Han allied themselves with Dai Ly.. :genius:

[DAI_VIET]

Hmmm... but I though Dai Li is a kingdom somewhere west of China though.

[DaiNamViet]

Hmmm... but I though Dai Li is a kingdom somewhere west of China though.

Yep west of old Nam Viet

[tqt]

Dai Ly was situated at Yunnan province of China, which is at the northwest of Vietnam.

[DAI_VIET]

Hmmm... but I though Dai Li is a kingdom somewhere west of China though.

Yep west of old Nam Viet

Hehehe... when I said west, I mean somewhere north of Tibet, around Tzekistan, and all those "-tan" countries.

[DaiNamViet]

Hmmm... but I though Dai Li is a kingdom somewhere west of China though.

Yep west of old Nam Viet

Hehehe... when I said west, I mean somewhere north of Tibet, around Tzekistan, and all those "-tan" countries.

Nope.. it was around Yunnan, don't know what name Tibet went by back then though (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/confused.gif)

[DAI_VIET]

Because if you guys think that Nam Chieu is Dai Li, then I think Dai Li is somewhere north of Tibet. Dai Li was one of the first countries to be destroyed by the Mongols, because Dai Li was closer to Mongolia.

[DaiNamViet]

Because if you guys think that Nam Chieu is Dai Li, then I think Dai Li is somewhere north of Tibet. Dai Li was one of the first countries to be destroyed by the Mongols, because Dai Li was closer to Mongolia.

Here is a qoute


In 1253, Kubilai conquered the Dai Ly kingdom (now Yunnan province), thus reaching the Vietnamese frontier ... where the palace of the Ly was located, show it great variety of sculpture

[DAI_VIET]

Because if you guys think that Nam Chieu is Dai Li, then I think Dai Li is somewhere north of Tibet. Dai Li was one of the first countries to be destroyed by the Mongols, because Dai Li was closer to Mongolia.

Here is a qoute


In 1253, Kubilai conquered the Dai Ly kingdom (now Yunnan province), thus reaching the Vietnamese frontier ... where the palace of the Ly was located, show it great variety of sculpture

Ooops... LOL. Never mind then.

Sorry dude. Thanks. LOL.


So embarrassed... LOL.

[DaiNamViet]

Because if you guys think that Nam Chieu is Dai Li, then I think Dai Li is somewhere north of Tibet. Dai Li was one of the first countries to be destroyed by the Mongols, because Dai Li was closer to Mongolia.

Here is a qoute


In 1253, Kubilai conquered the Dai Ly kingdom (now Yunnan province), thus reaching the Vietnamese frontier ... where the palace of the Ly was located, show it great variety of sculpture

Ooops... LOL. Never mind then.

Sorry dude. Thanks. LOL.


So embarrassed... LOL.

Its all good (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[dalawapo]

(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_confused.gif) ughhhh.... how bizzare. just yesterday i was mention this kingdom or whatever in my atempt to summarize the DK Publshing Atlas of world history on SE Asia for some dood.

but i would like to learn more about other smaller kingdoms that failed as well.

such as the early mon & malay* states of 1-250 CE
Dvaravati, Thaton, Haripunjaya, Pyu, Arakan, Sri-Vijaya 500-750
Arakan, Pegu, Pagan, East Java kingdom, Annam (you viet, right?) 750-1000
Lavo, Chiengmai, Phayao 1200-1300
Shan states, Ava, Toungoo, 1300-1400

or maybe u just help tony learn about Shan k? that is puzzling me for a long time. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by dalawapo: May 20 2004, 04:41 AM

[Cuirassier]

Nanchao and Dali were consequent dynasties in Dali region in Yunnan.

Nanchao (AD737-902)

Dali (AD937-1253)

[Nam Quoc Son Ha]

Hmm interesting. Didn't know that the Thais were descendants of the Nanchao-ians

[BishoujoHunter]

Nanchao people are related to Austronesians