China Deploys Nuclear Submarines Capable of Nuclear Counterstrike Options

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China Deploys Nuclear Submarines...Capable of Nuclear Counterstrike
Hong Kong's Xin-bao reported on July 7th that China has deployed next-generation nuclear submarines and is capable of second nuclear counterstrike.

German military publication 'International Navy' reported that China officially deployed recently-developed Type 093 and 094 nuclear submarines, and conducted training exercises. They are in combat-deployment now, according to the publication.

It said that Type 094, Tang-class, is the improved version of Xia-class nuclear submarine, with 10,000-ton displacement, and can carry 16 Julang-2 SLBM's which have the range of 10,000 km. Each Julang-2 can have three nuclear-warheads, which means that a single Type 094 submarine can strike 48 targets simultaneously.

Type 094 has fourth-generation nuclear reactor and is equipped with noise-suppression feature and precision sonar capability. It has superior stealth, mobility, and survivability, which is rated as comparable to Ohio-class submarine of U.S.

Type 093 is an attack submarine with 7,150 ton displacement , whose design is based on Han-class submarine.

If their deployment is successful, Chinese nuclear capability will expand from land-based nukes to second nuclear counterstrike, according to this publication.

People's Daily, Chinese official communist party paper, featured an article on its Internet site about the submarines on July 6th, which is a de-facto confirmation of their deployment.

[moviez]

It said that Type 094, Tang-class, is the improved version of Xia-class nuclear submarine, with 10,000-ton displacement, and can carry 16 Julang-2 SLBM's which have the range of 10,000 km. Each Julang-2 can have three nuclear-warheads, which means that a single Type 094 submarine can strike 48 targets simultaneously.

How can 3 nuclear warheads strike 48 targets ?????????

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3x16=48(3 nuclear-warheads X 16 Julang-2 SLBM)

This post has been edited by gump: Jul 15 2006, 06:17 AM

[toronto_chinese]

no one at least currrently or in the near future will attack china I think. I would rather they spend more money on the farmers , on the poor than on buying those weapons from russia, israel or other european nations.

[mobi3232]

well it's all about leverage isn't it. more modernized weapons = more leverage at the negotiation table. you can't just pump 100% of your economy back into the poor. some of it needs to be invested in other countries to buy influence and of course having an outdated military has shown to be quite disastrous.

[Chinese_Soldier]

I am somewhat doubtful because the PLA keeps everything so secret. The Type 94 could have been deployed last year and we wouldn't know it. Heck for example we all know J-10s have been deployed but we barely have any pictures of it, no one (except maybe PLA officials) have even taken a picture of its cockpit.

So basically I am skeptical how this source knows if the Type 94 is operational.

Toronto Chinese, your don't look at things in the long run. If China spends those money on the poor, by the time China has a massive economy in a few decades and finally decides to construct these subs, it would be decades behind Americans and Europeans.

This post has been edited by Chinese_Soldier: Jul 15 2006, 09:51 PM

[House]

no one at least currrently or in the near future will attack china I think. I would rather they spend more money on the farmers , on the poor than on buying those weapons from russia, israel or other european nations.

The same can be said of the US. The US doesn't need the Space Shuttle. Don't need Submarines, nuclear warheads etc since none of these weapons would be useful against al Queada. While the US is richer, there are certainly better ways to spend trillions of dollars. The US spends far more in weapons than China.

Military spending is a way of life. Always have been, always will be. And yes you need it. Why do you think no one will attack China?

History has shown that the White Man has time and time again tried to subjugate the Yellow man. The colonization of India, the Phillipins, the South Pacific, the Opium Wars all wasn't all that long ago. Those who forget history is forced to repeat it.

[Sirikittong]

^ But thats as if there was a country in the world foolish enough to try to start a war with China. An impossible scenario.

[xyz]

The major powers of the world have been spending billions of dollars each year to acquire new weapon systems and/or upgrade existing ones to make sure they keep up with the other countries and/or retain their supremacy. These powers are paying for their insurance policy, the so called MAD policy - Mutually Assured Destruction.

The people of this world are currently sitting on top of thousands and perhaps tens of thousands of nuclear war heads, enough to destroy this beautiful earth many times over. When will nations stop spending money on weapons of mass destruction, and the means to deliver them, aka missiles ? Unfortunately, more countries want to join the nuclear club which would automatically bring them respect and fear from their potential enemies.

The prospect of a nuclear winter and a frozen and lifeless earth resulting from a total nuclear war does not seem to bother the strategic thinking of military planners. Some of these brilliant planners actually believe in the feasibility of a limited tactical nuclear war. Would mankind meet the same fate as that of the dinosaurs 65 millions years ago when they were struck by a meteoroid? Only time will tell.

[moviez]

I am somewhat doubtful because the PLA keeps everything so secret. The Type 94 could have been deployed last year and we wouldn't know it. Heck for example we all know J-10s have been deployed but we barely have any pictures of it, no one (except maybe PLA officials) have even taken a picture of its cockpit.

LOL. As if the USA, Japan or Europe is not keeping secret from the rest of the world.

The major powers of the world have been spending billions of dollars each year to acquire new weapon systems and/or upgrade existing ones to make sure they keep up with the other countries and/or retain their supremacy. These powers are paying for their insurance policy, the so called MAD policy - Mutually Assured Destruction.

Actually it is not the major world powers that have been spending billions of dollars every year to acquire new weapons but it is the USA alone who spends too much on weapons to make sure no country can compete with her for the "Superpower" title. The world had learned a valuable lesson from how the Soviets went bankrupt trying to compete with the USA on weapons.

[Chinese_Soldier]

LOL. As if the USA, Japan or Europe is not keeping secret from the rest of the world.

Did I say USA, Japan or Europe is not keeping secrets from the rest of the world? All I said was that there is no way that German source can know if the Sub is deployed or not.

[toronto_chinese]

I am somewhat doubtful because the PLA keeps everything so secret. The Type 94 could have been deployed last year and we wouldn't know it. Heck for example we all know J-10s have been deployed but we barely have any pictures of it, no one (except maybe PLA officials) have even taken a picture of its cockpit.

So basically I am skeptical how this source knows if the Type 94 is operational.

Toronto Chinese, your don't look at things in the long run. If China spends those money on the poor, by the time China has a massive economy in a few decades and finally decides to construct these subs, it would be decades behind Americans and Europeans.

look at canada, new zealand, sweden, norway........ they don't have huge army and lot of weapons. No nuke at least. Look at that stupid U.S., have so many weapons and nukes, but when 911 happen hahah, can't do $hit about it. No one will attack china , just think about the consequences if someone send some missiles to destroy shanghai, beijing........ Samething if China send some missiles to tokyo, osaka, taipei, new york. No one dares to do such a silly thing. China is not a remote island, china is a land filled with people. Already have lot of big cities and educated people. Financial centres. World Factories. China is not iraq or other crap places that nobody cares. So I don't think anyone would attack china.

Also many foreigners travel to china every year to experience the culture and many things. So why would people attack china? we have so much things to show the world. Also chinese are peaceful people at least friendly toward foreigners except among ourselves.

[Chinese_Soldier]

look at canada, new zealand, sweden, norway........ they don't have huge army and lot of weapons. No nuke at least. Look at that stupid U.S., have so many weapons and nukes, but when 911 happen hahah, can't do $hit about it. No one will attack china , just think about the consequences if someone send some missiles to destroy shanghai, beijing........ Samething if China send some missiles to tokyo, osaka, taipei, new york. No one dares to do such a silly thing. China is not a remote island, china is a land filled with people. Already have lot of big cities and educated people. Financial centres. World Factories. China is not iraq or other crap places that nobody cares. So I don't think anyone would attack china.

Also many foreigners travel to china every year to experience the culture and many things. So why would people attack china? we have so much things to show the world. Also chinese are peaceful people at least friendly toward foreigners except among ourselves.

Why don't they have a huge arsenal of weapons? Because they are all lapdogs of the USA. So according to you China should bow down to the USA? No one dares to do such thing to China such as nuking Shanghai because the China spend money on its military to defend itself and is quite a deterrant force.

Learn from history, the peaceful people who are weak militarily gets invaded and get humiliated. No matter how rich you are, people wants to invade you because it's human nature. If you don't have a good military, it doesn't matter how rich you are, the riches is going to get taken by others that may not be as prosperous but militarily stronger. Look at India, for much of history they were always pretty rich but they lacked a strong military for centuries that's why they got invaded so many times. Now look at China in the early 1800s, they had over 30% of the world's economy but they were weak, thats why the Europeans invaded China and made China poor.

Bottom line: If China is weak and cannot defend itself, other countries WILL invade it.

This post has been edited by Chinese_Soldier: Jul 16 2006, 12:46 PM

[joe112]

look at canada, new zealand, sweden, norway........ they don't have huge army and lot of weapons. No nuke at least. Look at that stupid U.S., have so many weapons and nukes, but when 911 happen hahah, can't do $hit about it. No one will attack china , just think about the consequences if someone send some missiles to destroy shanghai, beijing........ Samething if China send some missiles to tokyo, osaka, taipei, new york. No one dares to do such a silly thing. China is not a remote island, china is a land filled with people. Already have lot of big cities and educated people. Financial centres. World Factories. China is not iraq or other crap places that nobody cares. So I don't think anyone would attack china.

Also many foreigners travel to china every year to experience the culture and many things. So why would people attack china? we have so much things to show the world. Also chinese are peaceful people at least friendly toward foreigners except among ourselves.

9/11 has proven that you don't need advance weapons or nukes to seriously damage a country. If you p i s s off a group of people. They will come after you and there is not weapons system sophisticated enough protect you.
you keep mentioning no one is going to attack china. In fact, I went to china severl times, the airport security don't even turn on their xray machine, they just sit there and chat and play cards. it is sooooooooooooo easy to smuggle bombs anywhere in china. Again, you make some angry , they will easily bring home made bombs to your country. heck, look at the back pack bombs in india that killed 200 people in the trains. That is enough to scare an entire nation.

[tinman01]

9/11 has proven that you don't need advance weapons or nukes to seriously damage a country. If you p i s s off a group of people. They will come after you and there is not weapons system sophisticated enough protect you.
you keep mentioning no one is going to attack china. In fact, I went to china severl times, the airport security don't even turn on their xray machine, they just sit there and chat and play cards. it is sooooooooooooo easy to smuggle bombs anywhere in china. Again, you make some angry , they will easily bring home made bombs to your country. heck, look at the back pack bombs in india that killed 200 people in the trains. That is enough to scare an entire nation.

It might seem easy but the fear of getting caught is real. IF they catch you unlike the USA it is your life and everyone knows this. Good for china and her strong stand on crime. As for her submarine capabilities its china's right to spend money as they see fit. We dont have to agree but it is still their right.

[joe112]

Troll.

This post has been edited by Jaimu-Jaimu: Aug 13 2006, 10:54 AM

[hanzhongrenshi]

Don't respond to him.

This post has been edited by Jaimu-Jaimu: Aug 13 2006, 10:54 AM

[toronto_chinese]

Why don't they have a huge arsenal of weapons? Because they are all lapdogs of the USA. So according to you China should bow down to the USA? No one dares to do such thing to China such as nuking Shanghai because the China spend money on its military to defend itself and is quite a deterrant force.

Learn from history, the peaceful people who are weak militarily gets invaded and get humiliated. No matter how rich you are, people wants to invade you because it's human nature. If you don't have a good military, it doesn't matter how rich you are, the riches is going to get taken by others that may not be as prosperous but militarily stronger. Look at India, for much of history they were always pretty rich but they lacked a strong military for centuries that's why they got invaded so many times. Now look at China in the early 1800s, they had over 30% of the world's economy but they were weak, thats why the Europeans invaded China and made China poor.

Bottom line: If China is weak and cannot defend itself, other countries WILL invade it.

why when china is not against U.S just mean China is a dog of U.S? Is true that U.S is the current superpower in the world but they just don't dare to attack china, samething even China has nuke and can reach U.S., Chinese just don't dare to send missiles there. China is not iraq, iran, syria, lebanon......... all those crap places. Powerful countries only talk on the table, they don't solve the conflict by initiate war with other. China, U.S., Russia, EU and many other already developped countries will only try to hurt each other through other means but not by military mean. China for example will do their best to try to get friendly with venezuela, mexico , iran, north korea thsoe countries that U.S. don't like. U.S. will try to contain china by Japan, korea, philipine, taiwan and other countries. No one dares to attack each other.

also a question for you to think about, why China so far still haven't attack Taiwan?

[ktchong]

Why do you think no one will attack China?

Because China can't lose in a war. China will just nuke 'em if China ever loses.

also a question for you to think about, why China so far still haven't attack Taiwan?

Because China can't think of a way to attack Taiwan while keeping the island intact and the region stable. There's no point in getting back a Taiwan that has no value, except to satisfy Chinese nationalism. But you can't eat nationalism.

This post has been edited by ktchong: Jul 17 2006, 09:15 PM

[raymondusa]

why when china is not against U.S just mean China is a dog of U.S? Is true that U.S is the current superpower in the world but they just don't dare to attack china, samething even China has nuke and can reach U.S., Chinese just don't dare to send missiles there. China is not iraq, iran, syria, lebanon......... all those crap places. Powerful countries only talk on the table, they don't solve the conflict by initiate war with other. China, U.S., Russia, EU and many other already developped countries will only try to hurt each other through other means but not by military mean. China for example will do their best to try to get friendly with venezuela, mexico , iran, north korea thsoe countries that U.S. don't like. U.S. will try to contain china by Japan, korea, philipine, taiwan and other countries. No one dares to attack each other.

also a question for you to think about, why China so far still haven't attack Taiwan?

I don't think the US is interested in attacking china. Back in the 1950's , general MacAthur wanted to bomb norhtern china. But, president Truman said no. Back then china did not have nukes.
the US military is used to protect US investments. Not attacking a large deserts for no reason. bombs and missles are expensive, no one wants to waste them.