Tai peoples reunification (lao/thai/shan etc), Your thoughts, opinions, comments, ideas etc. Options

[Manleow]

U shouldn't take it too personally xonelong, just pointing out that Wat Phu is a reflection of the Khmer/Krom/Siamese Culture and ancestry, if you claim it as Lao culture then thats ur opinion, then its no different when Lao ppl celebrating New Years Eve on January the 1st, or Christmas on December 25th either.

Its nice that u feel that Lao ppl protected that sight, im sure if the Khmers or Siamese conquered that region, they would of destroyed it and burned it to the ground, like how they destroyed and burned down all the other well preserved Krom/Khmer/Siamese sites in Thailand and Cambodia

And lastly, quote: xonelong"the ppls who came to liberated Lanxang with Chao Fa Ngum"

I didn't know Lanxang needed to be liberated? There wasn't a Lanxang before Chao Fa Ngum. I think it was EK that pointed out, and u see this today, when u go to the different ethnic groups inside Laos, ppl tend to stick with their own group, Lao usually marry Lao, Khmu usually marry Khmu, Hmong usually marry Hmong inside of Laos. The Idea of all these ethnic groups who have lived next to each other for over 1,000 (with exception of the Hmong who recently arrived in Lao regions) somehow mixed with everyone else, is overblown. The Over whelming Majority of Lao ppl, married Lao ppl and had Lao babies. Especially when ur talking about the isolated villages in the North, but even in the Central and South, Lao still more then likely married Lao.

[the_falcon]

A better alternative is for Laos and Cambodia to unite as Sovannaphum!! Both languages can be the official language its win win! Laos gets access to the sea and Cambodia gets direct access to China. Plus the economic levels are quite similar from what I know.

that makes perfect sense ......... yea so why dont u guys do that ...........

win win situation .........

[xonelong]

U shouldn't take it too personally xonelong, just pointing out that Wat Phu is a reflection of the Khmer/Krom/Siamese Culture and ancestry, if you claim it as Lao culture then thats ur opinion, then its no different when Lao ppl celebrating New Years Eve on January the 1st, or Christmas on December 25th either.

Its nice that u feel that Lao ppl protected that sight, im sure if the Khmers or Siamese conquered that region, they would of destroyed it and burned it to the ground, like how they destroyed and burned down all the other well preserved Krom/Khmer/Siamese sites in Thailand and Cambodia

And lastly, quote: xonelong"the ppls who came to liberated Lanxang with Chao Fa Ngum"

I didn't know Lanxang needed to be liberated? There wasn't a Lanxang before Chao Fa Ngum. I think it was EK that pointed out, and u see this today, when u go to the different ethnic groups inside Laos, ppl tend to stick with their own group, Lao usually marry Lao, Khmu usually marry Khmu, Hmong usually marry Hmong inside of Laos. The Idea of all these ethnic groups who have lived next to each other for over 1,000 (with exception of the Hmong who recently arrived in Lao regions) somehow mixed with everyone else, is overblown. The Over whelming Majority of Lao ppl, married Lao ppl and had Lao babies. Especially when ur talking about the isolated villages in the North, but even in the Central and South, Lao still more then likely married Lao.

Its obvious, i got the wrong impression of you for that i sincerely apologize. there's no argument in my part that wat phu is of what you mention. i did explain briefly the reasons why Lao as whole should be proud and preserved it as it meant to be..

You're right about there's no Lanxang before chao Fa Ngum, just a poor choice of word, thanks for pointing it out.

I'm glad that we didn't have to come to a shouting matched..lolz, and be able to discussed in a civil manner. again, forgive me if i somehow making you feel uncomfortable, and thank you for your understanding.

[Manleow]

Its obvious, i got the wrong impression of you for that i sincerely apologize. there's no argument in my part that wat phu is of what you mention. i did explain briefly the reasons why Lao as whole should be proud and preserved it as it meant to be..

You're right about there's no Lanxang before chao Fa Ngum, just a poor choice of word, thanks for pointing it out.

I'm glad that we didn't have to come to a shouting matched..lolz, and be able to discussed in a civil manner. again, forgive me if i somehow making you feel uncomfortable, and thank you for your understanding.

Dont worry Xonelong, I dont feel uncomforatble unless ur Chao Anouvong or Settthartarit themselves standing infront of me

its all good buddy, im just kidding around anyway, dont want to make anyone think im actually serious about what i've been saying, even though its true, 555555

[lanxan]

if he is white, then Most likely he is Kon Keow, because the only light skin ppl in Savanh is kon Keow, since u guys are a bunch of Vietnamese assKissing traitors, selling our land to the Viets,

hahahaha

Kon Viengchan/MuangLoung representing

Keep on talking out of your @$$ "Buc Hua Yai". You think the only "light-skinned" people from Savannakhet are Gao? You don't know $hit about Savannakhet. The majority of Lao people from Savannakhet trace their family tree to Mukdahan. This guy is a Tai Muk, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrwvQUaJuRY

I'm glad Tai Savan got rid of Muang Luang royal family. You guys are "Hua Yai"(big head), "Whao Yai"(talk big) but like they say about Tai Muang Luang "Huen Yai Some Tub Yung Wha Thou Eng Man Jao"(House as big as a shack and still think of oneself as royal). hahaha. It's the ordinary Lao people that restore pride to Muang Lao. You accused me of being a Lao Dang because I don't believe in the so-called "royal", so that makes me a Communist? Like I said, "Buc Hua Yai". I'm beyond picking sides.

This post has been edited by lanxan: Sep 30 2007, 02:21 PM

[Manleow]

Keep on talking out of your @$$ "Buc Hua Yai". You think the only "light-skinned" people from Savannakhet are Gao? You don't know $hit about Savannakhet. The majority of Lao people from Savannakhet trace their family tree to Mukdahan. This guy is a Tai Muk, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrwvQUaJuRY

I'm glad Tai Savan got rid of Muang Luang royal family. You guys are "Hua Yai"(big head), "Whao Yai"(talk big) but like they say about Tai Muang Luang "Huen Yai Some Tub Yung Wha Thou Eng Man Jao"(House as big as a shack and still think of oneself as royal). hahaha. It's the ordinary Lao people that restore pride to Muang Lao. You accused me of being a Lao Dang because I don't believe in the so-called "royal", so that makes me a Communist? Like I said, "Buc Hua Yai". I'm beyond picking sides.

Hahaha, Buk Keow vow eek leow, the majority of ppl in Savanh are @$$ kissing Vietnamese dogs, ur a prime example of it, in the 1950's, Vietnamese dogs like you in Savannakhet tried to annex central Laos to the Vietnamese. freaking traitors, and now u worshiped the viet agent Kaysone that killed our ppl.

They even chased ur @$$ out of laos into american, and as most slaves do, still worship their asses. Im sure if u can lick viet asses, u be tossing that salad like its ur last meal

ur rediculous, and try to pretend that ur Lao, oyyy buk Hoo Kee, ur a worthless traitor buk keow, so u said ur dad is Keow cuz he is light skin, so im assuming ur mom is Kamen. So ur a proud VietKhmer dude, good for u, now get out of my country.

[lanxan]

Hahaha, Buk Keow vow eek leow, the majority of ppl in Savanh are @$$ kissing Vietnamese dogs, ur a prime example of it, in the 1950's, Vietnamese dogs like you in Savannakhet tried to annex central Laos to the Vietnamese. freaking traitors, and now u worshiped the viet agent Kaysone that killed our ppl.

They even chased ur @$$ out of laos into american, and as most slaves do, still worship their asses. Im sure if u can lick viet asses, u be tossing that salad like its ur last meal

ur rediculous, and try to pretend that ur Lao, oyyy buk Hoo Kee, ur a worthless traitor buk keow, so u said ur dad is Keow cuz he is light skin, so im assuming ur mom is Kamen. So ur a proud VietKhmer dude, good for u, now get out of my country.

Buc Hua Khoi, you are a "Kee Kad"(Coward), "On-Air"(weak) fool. Muang Luang ain't nothing but a bunch of "Hen Kair Thou"(selfish) cowards. Remember when your small @$$ "Muang" attack Vientiane once? And when my King Chao Anou fought the Thai Dahk Lae to free our people from the your sorry @$$ Muang Luang didn't do $hit to help our people. That's why Muang Luang ain't $hit and still ain't $hit. A sorry @$$ Muang that needed the French to make them king. hahaha.

[Buddhalove]

Tai unification, that is not a bad idea. but i don't see how it can be materialized. Lao, shan and Tai have good relationship. Laos and Thailand are sister states just like Ireland and England. , but their long history of good relationship is not far different from Laos with Burma and Vietnam. Well each just stay where they at. Business venture, trading, education will bring us close together, just like US, Canada, Australia.........

[skullwrecker_13]

Nice idea but you know, bloodlines are hardly pure and basing a nation state on bloodline... well I'm a mix of "jewish", flemish, thai, chinese, tibetan with some scandinavian and a catalan surname on my EU passport thrown in for good measure, so obviously I feel rather dubious about the concept of a nation state based on blood.

Besides, how would you run such a government (if it ever did happen ?). Everybody would be arguing for their own voices. Here in Europe the Flemish of Belgium in general are not interested in re-unification with the Dutch despite common ancestry and language. The same goes for French speaking Belgians and their neighbours in France. Norwegians, Swedes, Danes feel the same ambivalence (in political matters anyway) in regards to this. I don't really see why the Shan, Lao and Thais would want to unify appart from economic factors. Even then. the weight this would bring into the central Thai economy and the influx of migration from the poorer regions would add to ethnic tensions and negative stereotypes.

The only system that would probably work is that of a confederation much akin to Switzerland. And when you're making comparisons, one country has 7 million people to worry about, another would have closer to 80 million. You'd get arguments over national anthem, capital city, government/senate/cabinet procedures, working languages (although Thai/Lao have enough in common to be understood by both parties anyway..), education, head of state, what the flag should look like, government budget distribution............

[xhobbx]

stupid idea! unification? big @$$ land for only 6 or so million people better to preserve that for the future generation of lao.
there isn't one motherf!ker in here that is pure lao if youre measuring bloodline -just my thought.

nice to know the bickering is alive and sounding among us lao

[Manleow]

I have to disagree, there are plenty of Pure Lao ppl in the North regions, and sure there are a lot of them in the central parts also,

Have u been to Northern Laos, the many, many, many isolated Lao villages that have been there for over a thousand years,

what is unque about those hundreds of villages is that, those different ethnic villages do not intermarriage,

marrying other ethnic tribes was looked down upon, so we pretty much stuck to our own kind,

just as today, the pocket of hmong villages, they dont marry anyone other then Hmong from other villages

The Khmu only marry Khmu, etc, etc...

sure of course u sometimes see, Lao marry viet, or lao marry hmong, or Lao marry Khmer, but that is a minority,

the fact that remains is the Majority of Kon Lao marry Kon Lao, the majority of Vietnamese in Laos marry other ethnic vietnamese, the majority of Hmong marry Hmong, so on and so fourth,

so there are plenty of Pure AiLao ppl in Laos,

This post has been edited by Manleow: Oct 26 2007, 07:03 PM

[xhobbx]

maybe! but you're discounting that the remote community don't ever mix with its neighbor over the thousand years period. i'm just saying the possibilities are enormous -hardly a "minority or look down on". how can anyone be so certain of anything from long ago? it does not fit well.

no i've never been up north and if I did it does not proof anything to me. if they feels lao then they are laos who am i to judge, i don't care if he's half black or white. same difference.
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i don't consider isan or any lao living in thailand lao but if they feels lao then i retract. probably a very tiny tiny tiny of them would admit being lao anyways!

i don't know what "shan" is although i've read many posts here regarding them, just not registering. but if they feels lao -why not? right.

i don't feel any connection to tailand or thailand at all. grew up with lots of them here in LA. as we get older things change, they became thai and i became lao -so the fat lady sings!. its probably better that way.

lets not bring anymore peeps to over populate the land for the sake of race. i think its an advantage that there are more land to go around for the new generation of Kon Lao. what we "the privilege living abroad" should be discussing about is how do we bring text books into the country.

[Anouvong]

Nobody wanna join poor Laos $hit.

[Buddhalove]

Nobody wanna join poor Laos $hit.

Jek want to join you.

[Anouvong]

Why Lao don't know themselves? They are not big or great. They are just a lil landlocked country with very low population.

Stupid Lao wanna unite all Tai.

[Buddhalove]

Jek thai just make up only 14% of the population, but they want to turn thailand into jekland. true story.