Philippines and Spain today Options

[islander]

Seems that these days The Philippines and Spain get along and are getting closer. While searching for something else found this:

The Spanish government has informed us that they will need about 100,000 Filipino workers over the next two years

Got above quote from: http://www.ofwguide.com/article_item.php?articleid=456

Seems Filipinos along with Latin Americans are given preference in some things in Spain. Following is a paper which deals mainly with the Filipinos.: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:z1Z-b...lient=firefox-a

[Sonofvisayas]

I didnt read the article, what kind of works they need filipino workers for?

[Sirikittong]

Hm. Dont do that! These imperialists can recruit somewhere else. Have some kind of pride and deny it--why should the filipinos acquiesce and accept anything from a former imperialist parasite?

National Pride must come first. Filipinos can do without Spain.

ASEAN! Thailand-Philippines!

[islander]

^The Spain of centuries ago is not the Spain of today. The majority of the Ppl. didn't have any say for centuries how there nation was ran until after 1975 when true democracy (constitutional monarchy) took control of the gov't.. The world belongs to the Philippines not just one region which in long run makes more sense. Better to have many markets instead of just one regional market. But it does seem some Filipinos doing better in Spain than in regional nations close to the Philippines.

Filipino domestic workers in Spain seem to be satisfied with their work, as reflected in my study (Pe-Pua, 2003) and based on reports from the Philippine Embassy (POLO Madrid, 2003). The pay ranges from US$550–1,000 a month (1999 data) which is better than the pay that Filipinos domestic workers in Hong Kong and Singapore get (which range from US$125–400) (Pe-Pua, 2000). Internas also get bonuses (13th and 14th month pay), social security, vacation leaves, and days off.

@ Sonofvisayas - Its suppose to be 100000 in Spain mostly in medical industry. In Canada 400000 mostly in oil industry.
Other info.:

On the whole relations between Spain and the Philippines is very amicable. Both governments are accepting of the presence of the other in their respective countries. Spanish immigration and labor laws provide a basically good ground for favourable working conditions for Filipinos, compared to conditions existing in some other countries of destination of OFWs

The Philippines and Spain have entered into a Social Security Agreement in May 1988 which was enforced in 1991. Benefits are paid to recipients enrolled under both Social Security Systems (SSS)

Another bilateral agreement protecting the rights of overseas Filipino workers is the Bilateral Tax Treaty for the Prevention of Double Taxation. For example, “taxes paid in one state shall be credited to tax against the tax payable in the other state

Some issues are being pursued for discussion between Spain and the Philippines. The major one is the bilateral labor agreement whereby more opportunities would be open for Filipinos to come and work in Spain, not only in the area of service or domestic work, but in professional areas as well.

Filipinos can apply for naturalization to become Spanish citizens after two years’ residency. A substantial number of Filipinos have availed of this preferential status to acquire Spanish citizenship

This post has been edited by islander: Oct 1 2006, 07:21 PM

[martin_nuke]

There are a lots of Filipino workers in Spain and Italy mostly engineers, technicians and medical professional and and the filipino population there is rapidly growing in those areas and I have read in an article that Spain is directly hiring professionals from the Philippines by the thousands.

I think Spain is the only recognized ally of the United States in the European Union that is why there are a lot of terrorist bombing activity there.

This post has been edited by martin_nuke: Oct 1 2006, 09:30 PM

[Kanlungan]

Balita ko walang tax sa nurses sa Spain kapag galing ka dito(I don't know if it applies to all). If it's true, they might attrack a lot of Pinoys who will colonize Spain through their vast numbers. Hehehehe

[Torete_ako_sa_yo]

It's so cool to be Filipino.... we are a global underground unnoticed but still present. See, Spain allows people from former colonies to be permanent residents in only 2 years - this is because it's hard to prove Spanish ancestry since Spaniards basically fcuked everyone. So they say, former colonies instead of asking for evidence of direct ancestry of a Spanish citizen.

Hm. Dont do that! These imperialists can recruit somewhere else. Have some kind of pride and deny it--why should the filipinos acquiesce and accept anything from a former imperialist parasite?

National Pride must come first. Filipinos can do without Spain.

no one denies that. but without Spain - no Philippines, we'd be part of either muslim indonesia, or malaysia.

Spain may have been an imperialist murdurous rapist of a nation, but so are the british, dutch, japanese, and french. Today we've made good friends with the Japanese haven't we.

Besides 50 years ago - Spain was a sh!+hole compared to the Philippines.

[Sirikittong]

I dont like how the Philippines are exporting its medical and technocratic and academic professionals to foreign countries. Let Spain handle its own medical crisis or whatsoever it may be.

The Philippines as we speak is experiencing a brain drain--the best of the best go abroad and leave the Philippine Fatherland with the left overs.

The Philippines has SO much potential to help itself first before it helps others.

Greater Philippines can be achieved without having to bend backwards to these farangs--demanding this/that.

Just my own 2 baht---from a Thai Point of view.

[Torete_ako_sa_yo]

I dont like how the Philippines are exporting its medical and technocratic and academic professionals to foreign countries. Let Spain handle its own medical crisis or whatsoever it may be.

The Philippines as we speak is experiencing a brain drain--the best of the best go abroad and leave the Philippine Fatherland with the left overs.

The Philippines has SO much potential to help itself first before it helps others.

Greater Philippines can be achieved without having to bend backwards to these farangs--demanding this/that.

Just my own 2 baht---from a Thai Point of view.

Sori bro, but our professionals are being exploited by the government... We got the brains, but our politicians use them to make fatten their wallets. Labor is our best export and although it looks bad, in the long run, we have BALIKBAYANS - Filipinos that come back and do some good in the Philippines... Eventually, the years will provide us with political maturity and the government will be more efficient and this visible exploitation will cease.

[j_diddy]

Hm. Dont do that! These imperialists can recruit somewhere else. Have some kind of pride and deny it--why should the filipinos acquiesce and accept anything from a former imperialist parasite?

National Pride must come first. Filipinos can do without Spain.

ASEAN! Thailand-Philippines!

let bygones be bygones

[Jericho Madrigal]

I dont like how the Philippines are exporting its medical and technocratic and academic professionals to foreign countries. Let Spain handle its own medical crisis or whatsoever it may be.

The Philippines as we speak is experiencing a brain drain--the best of the best go abroad and leave the Philippine Fatherland with the left overs.

The Philippines has SO much potential to help itself first before it helps others.

Greater Philippines can be achieved without having to bend backwards to these farangs--demanding this/that.

Just my own 2 baht---from a Thai Point of view.

I appreciate your insight my friend. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)

But I think taking advantage of the opportunities outside of the country will be beneficial for the Philippines and Filipinos, because that way we can make room for people back home professionally, and those who decide to go overseas will help the Philippine economy with the remittances they send for their relatives education, to start a business or investments within the country. Then when the time comes that we already fixed the ills of our government and society, we wouldn't be as compelled to leave our beloved homeland, for our homeland will be the best place on earth to live in. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)

Also, Europe is a far better place for Filipinos to pursue their dreams than in the Middle East. Filipinos are much more respected and better treated over in Europe, especially in Spain and Italy.

VIVA LAS ISLAS FILIPINAS!
VIVA REINO DE ESPANA! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[bari]

I dont like how the Philippines are exporting its medical and technocratic and academic professionals to foreign countries. Let Spain handle its own medical crisis or whatsoever it may be.

The Philippines as we speak is experiencing a brain drain--the best of the best go abroad and leave the Philippine Fatherland with the left overs.

The Philippines has SO much potential to help itself first before it helps others.

Greater Philippines can be achieved without having to bend backwards to these farangs--demanding this/that.

Just my own 2 baht---from a Thai Point of view.

You are so true bro.... but i only hope that those professionals wud come back once they fatten their wallets and work at home.... my 2 peso Peace (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

[kristleh]

@torete_ako_sayo: maraming Pinoy ang kailangan ng trabaho at hindi maibigay ng Pilipinas yun kaya sila nagtratrabaho sa ibang bansa. pero yung iba naman nagtratrabaho o nag-mimigrate lang sa ibang bansa kasi tingin nila kahit saan basta hindi sa Pilipinas, aasenso sila.

marami akong kaklase sa French class na nag-aaral lang para pampataas ng point pag i-evaluate sila ng Canadian embassy. kung hirap na hirap sila, saan nila nakuha yung pera pang French class nila diba?

: ilan lang ba ang bumabalik sa ilang libong umaalis kada taon? yung iba babalik lang para mag-retire atbp. subukan kong maghanap ng statistics para diyan.. tsaka isa pa, kahit malaki yung remittances nila paano naman yung mga estudyanteng wala na ngang libro wala pang guro o yung mga nurses? hindi ko maramdaman yung produkto ng remittances nila pero nararamdaman ko na kulang na ng mga nurses. opinyon ko lang yan, hindi ko hinuhusgahan yung mga ibang umaalis. okie?

wala na ako sa topic. hahaha. ganito lang yan. kailangan nila tayo at kailangan din ng ibang Pinoys yung opportunities na binibigay nila... so ayos lang. Wala na tayong magagawa. Pero mukhang mas maayos yung pagtrato nila sa atin kaysa sa Middle East kaya magandang alternative ang Spain kaysa sa Qatar, Dubai, Saudi, and friends. Mas magkalapit din yung kultura natin sa Spain, pati na rin relihiyon kaya hindi na kailangan pang mag secret prayer meeting ang iba para lang hindi maparusahan. hehehe

This post has been edited by kristleh: Oct 2 2006, 04:09 AM

[santoloco]

i heard in spain that many are racist to non white or darker skin nationals. is this true?

ive heard many of my latin friends that visited spain. they said many were rude to them and called them brown monkeys amd other stuff i cant remmber.

[Kanlungan]

^really? Hmm... there are lots of skin whiterners, anyway. LOL

Also, Europe is a far better place for Filipinos to pursue their dreams than in the Middle East

I knew someone who spent some time in the middle east.. she went to school there but she's Filipino. she told me that Filipinos are discriminated to a certain extent. Yung sa bitay, kapag Pinoy daw, announced, kapag ibang nationalities, hindi announced...

[Sonofvisayas]

Alright im convinced!! Spain here i come!! Tengo que empezar hablar espagnol ahora (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) fu-k French lolz

[grimfan]

Spaniards face discrimination in "white" society b/c they're dark-skinned, Catholic, and have had political troubles in the recent past. That's why they are more racist than other Western Euros. Maybe they want all the Filipinos to come so they can feel better about themselves.

[Kanlungan]

^I didn't get the logic there. 0_o

[peanutbutterjell...]

Spaniards face discrimination in "white" society b/c they're dark-skinned, Catholic, and have had political troubles in the recent past. That's why they are more racist than other Western Euros. Maybe they want all the Filipinos to come so they can feel better about themselves.

your first sentence makes some sense but the rest of your statement just falls flat...

I've met and known a lot of white folks who do not consider them as part of the white race...most of them think that the Spaniards really don't have that much different than Mexicans, Hondurans and other Latinos...

Castilians are Caucasians but definitely not Aryans...it's been proven that a vast majority of them have a trace of some sub-sarahan and sephardic Jewish dna flowing in their blood due to the Moorish invasion of Spain back in 711 AD...that explains their "mediterrean" look..

and as far recruiting Filipinos, I don't think it has anything to do with making themselves feel better as far as ethnicity as concern..they feel like they could relate more to Filipinos (along with other Latinos) better than any other Asians out there because of their cultural congruity with us...

[RL33]

^
I think your referring to germanic peoples then because the term Aryans is useually used for the Indo Iranian linguistic group, . The spanish are a mixture of Latin, Iberian, Greek, North African and Germanic blood.