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Are Indonesian Racist?
RockHeart
post Jun 6 2004, 02:52 PM
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Hello all Indonesian!!!

The majority of the people have been said that the most Indonesian are superracist Nation in the world. They never welcomed and gladed to see another nation come in asking some stuffs or share some ideas. I personally don't care much about that situation...Thats why i am here just want to hearing from all your consensus. Is it true the statement as above???

Please comments on that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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post Oct 10 2005, 02:54 PM
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Hi

I am from Singapore, and I am of Chinese descent. I happened to see this thread while surfing the Internet. Let me just tell you my experiences in Jakarta.

I was in Jakarta in November last year on a business trip, and also to attend a Chinese-Indonesian friend's sister's wedding. It was my first trip to Jakarta. I have been to Bali previously, and it was a very nice and friendly place.

I got into a Silver Bird taxi at the airport to send me to my hotel. The taxi driver was native Indonesian, and was very friendly and could speak English. I had a nice conversation with him. So I was thinking: Hey this place is ok. Except for the street scenes, which are full of native Indonesians selling food by the street, and generally the poor poeple living in the slums, which are almost everywhere in Jakarta.

At the hotel, I checked into my room at the counter. The lady at the hotel reception was also native Indonesian, and she was very nice and polite as well.

After that, I met some friends also from Singapore, and went to Plaza Indonesia for coffee. Along the way in the taxi, I began to feel more and more disturbed by the number of poor native Indonesians on the streets and in the slums. To tell you the truth, I felt very sorry for them.

At the Plaza Indonesia, I realized the difference. Outside the shopping centre was all the poor native Indonesians. Inside, was all the rich Chinese shopping and buying the branded clothes and jewellery and stuff. The security guards, though, were native Indonesian. The cleaners and workers were also native Indonesian.

That night, I went to my Chinese-Indonesian friend's sister's wedding in the Grand Hyatt. Again, I saw the contrast. The hotel guests and people who attended the wedding were local Chinese and some white foreigners. The guys who opened the doors, the waiters, the workers, they were native Indonesian. As usual, this was a posh Chinese-Indonesian wedding, and they definitely spent a lot of money on the wedding, as the food was high-quality and the decor was posh. The wedding's guests are also rich Chinese-Indonesians, some of whom I knew from my school days in the US.

The next few nights, I was brought to some of Jakarta's best nightclubs and pubs. The people spending money like crazy in those places were Chinese-Indonesians and whites. The native Indonesians? Well, they are all workers there. Some of the native Indonesians were also customers, but they just sat around smoking cigarettes and watching people. My friends told me some of them are drug dealers or pimps.

At the end of my trip, I fully understood why the native Indonesians hate the Chinese-Indonesians so much.

If you are a poor native Indonesian, looking in from the outside at all these rich Chinese-Indonesian spending their money and living a life of luxury, you would hate the Chinese too. Do you know how great the contrast is between the Chinese-Indonesian lifestyle vs. the native Indonesian lifestyle? Let's just say: the amount of money the Chinese spend on a single restaurant meal can easily feed a family of 4 native Indonesians for a month!

In conclusion, looking at how some Chinese-Indonesians flaunt their wealth in front of the poor native Indonesians, I fully understand the hatred of the native Indonesians.

That's not all. In fact I know how the Chinese-Indonesians became so rich. A lot of them made their money by exploiting the native Indonesians, making use of them at low cost, taking their land at low cost. Just look at those wealthy Chinese who literally RAPED Kalimantan of natural resources, making use of the natives as cheap labour. In fact, I have relatives who are Chinese-Indonesians. Their business is dealing in motorcycles to native Indonesians. But when their native Indonesian customers cannot pay the installment for the motorcycles, they take the motorcycle back, refurbish it a little, and sell it to the native Indonesians again at full price. I think that is a sin.

ps:- one night, while travelling back to the hotel in a taxi with my friends, we were stopped by a native Indonesian police man. The police man threatened to arrest us because we didn't have our original passports with us, only photocopies. But he said if we gave him a large sum of money, he'll let us go. In the end, we gave the police man some money on the spot. My friend, who works for an American MNC in Indonesia, bargained the price down. That was my only bad experience with native Indonesians.
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- RockHeart   Are Indonesian Racist?   Jun 6 2004, 02:52 PM
- - cloudyski   don't characterize a country by its individual...   Jun 6 2004, 03:45 PM
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|- - purnomor   QUOTE(rashid @ Mar 28 2006, 03:47 PM) 169...   May 30 2006, 08:05 PM
- - RockHeart   QUOTE (Triste @ Jun 7 2004, 01:19 AM)You can ...   Jun 8 2004, 06:56 PM
- - Garuda   I don't know anywherelse but in France, people...   Jul 6 2004, 12:27 AM
|- - wewill2008   QUOTE(Garuda @ Jul 6 2004, 12:27 AM) 2793...   May 30 2006, 07:13 PM
- - dalawapo   hey Garuda are you balinese? can u tell me more a...   Jul 6 2004, 03:46 AM
- - Garuda   QUOTE hey Garuda are you balinese?  can u tel...   Jul 6 2004, 06:06 PM
- - Jotmaimamoreaj   Garuda I like those little children in your signat...   Jul 6 2004, 08:18 PM
- - xyclop   From what I know when I was in Bali 1998 for holid...   Jul 6 2004, 10:10 PM
|- - ryanno   QUOTE (xyclop @ Jul 6 2004, 10:10 PM)From wha...   Jul 27 2005, 06:38 AM
- - Nusantara   QUOTE (RockHeart @ Jun 8 2004, 07:56 PM)QUOTE...   Jul 21 2004, 12:17 AM
|- - wewill2008   QUOTE(Nusantara @ Jul 21 2004, 12:17 AM) ...   May 31 2006, 01:14 PM
|- - IBC   (Think about it) It doesn't matters if peoples...   Jul 11 2006, 02:09 AM
- - dalawapo   HELLO NUSANTARA! i am intrigue by your screen...   Jul 21 2004, 12:55 AM
- - Nusantara   nice article, seems to give to much credit to mala...   Jul 21 2004, 01:28 AM
- - dalawapo   cool is riau archipelago truly the island where Ba...   Jul 21 2004, 01:37 AM
- - Nusantara   QUOTE (dalawapo @ Jul 21 2004, 02:37 AM)cool ...   Jul 21 2004, 02:15 AM
- - dalawapo   wow indonesia/malaysia havs a very complex history...   Jul 21 2004, 02:22 AM
- - Nusantara   QUOTE (dalawapo @ Jul 21 2004, 03:22 AM)wow i...   Jul 21 2004, 03:06 AM
- - mamapeace   yea man, my dad told me that when malaysia just go...   Jul 21 2004, 04:44 AM
- - Iron Malayan   QUOTE (Nusantara @ Jul 21 2004, 02:28 AM)nice...   Jul 21 2004, 01:21 PM
- - Nusantara   QUOTE though we are still brothers! if it wasn...   Jul 21 2004, 08:57 PM
- - dalawapo   i skim through that sumarian-austronesian site... ...   Jul 21 2004, 09:13 PM
- - Nusantara   Hi Iron Malayan, apa kabar?   Jul 21 2004, 10:48 PM
- - Iron Malayan   Khabar baik.   Jul 23 2004, 06:16 AM
- - Nusantara   that happened since there is more greater rule for...   Jul 24 2004, 05:22 PM
- - canopener   i don't know why people say these things becau...   Aug 5 2004, 07:29 PM
- - Rappapa   QUOTE (canopener @ Aug 5 2004, 08:29 PM)i don...   Aug 5 2004, 08:16 PM
- - li_fung   they just jealous because they loose in economical...   Nov 5 2004, 03:51 AM
|- - Iron Malayan   QUOTE (li_fung @ Nov 5 2004, 04:51 AM)...but ...   Nov 6 2004, 08:36 AM
|- - Nusantara   QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Nov 6 2004, 09:36 AM)QU...   Nov 6 2004, 06:06 PM
- - purnomor   ^ your destiny is to become slave   Nov 5 2004, 03:52 AM
- - li_fung   is there chinese who become maid of indonesian...z...   Nov 6 2004, 04:47 AM
|- - Nusantara   QUOTE (li_fung @ Nov 6 2004, 05:47 AM)is ther...   Nov 6 2004, 05:58 PM
||- - chilli21   my mother maid is chinese, in riau chinese not on...   Jul 27 2005, 08:36 PM
||- - Linglung   Every country deals with racism! IMO racism i...   Jul 27 2005, 10:19 PM
|- - Shino   QUOTE (li_fung @ Nov 6 2004, 10:47 AM)is ther...   Oct 4 2005, 10:45 PM
- - purnomor   ^ u r born to become maid and slave   Nov 6 2004, 06:25 AM
- - mamapeace   li_fung so racist. would be funyy if he actually i...   Nov 6 2004, 05:46 PM
- - lemonade   maid and slave its totally different thing!   Nov 7 2004, 04:12 AM
- - mamapeace   The point is that if you compare different culture...   Nov 8 2004, 03:23 AM
- - chilli21   anyone can go on to the internet in china and tha...   Oct 5 2005, 12:59 AM
- - e_vaholic   rockaheart...it's free for you to say that Ind...   Oct 5 2005, 04:44 PM
- - soro_i   ^ ][ Rockheart doesn't come here no more. I ...   Oct 6 2005, 06:14 AM
- - anakjakarta84   Question: Are Indonesian Racist? Answer: Not neces...   Oct 6 2005, 07:27 AM
|- - chilli21   QUOTE (anakjakarta84 @ Oct 6 2005, 11:27 PM)Q...   Oct 6 2005, 06:14 PM
- - qrasy   Obviously everyone with eyes is racist... If not t...   Oct 6 2005, 08:52 AM
|- - LaoShare   The word "racist" is very often misused....   Oct 6 2005, 01:59 PM
- - pokkagreentea   Hi I am from Singapore, and I am of Chinese desce...   Oct 10 2005, 02:54 PM
- - Shino   MOST Indonesians are racist. Believe me, I am also...   Oct 16 2005, 12:10 AM
|- - halohalo   QUOTE (Shino @ Oct 16 2005, 12:10 AM)MOST Ind...   Feb 18 2006, 04:52 AM
- - purnomor   ^ LOLZ.. where did you find these experiences? sou...   Oct 16 2005, 12:26 AM
- - Shino   ^ That's why theyre so idiotic, they love boll...   Oct 16 2005, 12:43 AM
- - e_vaholic   i don't hate black fellas... maybe cuma weird ...   Oct 16 2005, 03:55 AM
|- - Shino   QUOTE (e_vaholic @ Oct 16 2005, 09:55 AM)i do...   Oct 17 2005, 07:32 AM
|- - anakjakarta84   QUOTE (Shino @ Oct 17 2005, 02:32 PM)QUOTE (e...   Oct 19 2005, 08:45 AM
- - purple   there is racism everywhere!! i have notice...   Oct 16 2005, 05:49 AM
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- - Ara   Uhm, to be a racist, one must discriminate on the ...   Oct 25 2005, 03:10 AM
- - Bohemian   I agree with Ara, there're racists WHEREVER yo...   Oct 25 2005, 05:38 AM
|- - jason76   Racism and jelousy go hand in hand.   Nov 7 2005, 04:19 AM
|- - anakjakarta84   QUOTE (jason76 @ Nov 7 2005, 11:19 AM)Racism ...   Nov 8 2005, 04:43 AM
- - 52051   Indonesian superiority, strange...   Nov 7 2005, 11:24 PM
|- - Kim Jung Il   Im glad I do not see any anti-Chinese Indonesian p...   Nov 8 2005, 08:08 PM
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- - XxRyoChanxX   QUOTE (li_fung @ Nov 5 2004, 03:51 AM)they ju...   Dec 20 2005, 11:48 PM
|- - jason76   QUOTE (XxRyoChanxX @ Dec 21 2005, 12:48 PM)wo...   Jan 9 2006, 04:26 AM
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|- - chilli21   QUOTE (changalator @ Jan 9 2006, 05:12 AM)Man...   Jan 8 2006, 06:36 PM
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|- - testcubaanujian   i think they have high PATRIOTISM in their heart...   Feb 17 2006, 09:17 AM
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- - lackor   yes yes patriotism, very much so. good word.   Feb 17 2006, 07:10 PM
- - lackor   So there are some indonesian racists. I wouldnt sa...   Feb 18 2006, 05:40 AM
|- - Actualight   QUOTE (lackor @ Feb 18 2006, 06:40 PM)So ther...   Feb 19 2006, 11:10 AM
- - chilli21   ^good post.   Feb 18 2006, 11:27 PM
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- - Actualight   People always like to find the differences. They ...   Feb 19 2006, 11:32 AM
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- - Bhaskara   Well said, Cypnotism. U're a Chinese Indonesia...   Nov 18 2006, 02:40 AM
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