China's closest ally Options

[DissipativeOpera...]

China dont need ally, they only need vassal states

[voodoo]

This thread proves my point in my thread. China has no reliable allies. Pakistan? Iran? DPRK? Give me a break. Pakis are too busy in conflict with India, Iran is soon to be doomed, DPRK with their 1950s weapons, and the other countries are pretty much nonexistent.

[crossbowmen]

Politics/Millitary - Pakistan
Economy - United States

[Ironhands]

During the tiananmen square sanctions only 3 Countries voted against the sanctions

Pakistan
Burma
North Korea

these countries are the true friends of China

[African]

China dont need ally, they only need vassal states

I agree with you .

[sunshine90210]

I kind of think Africa is a great nation, with great potentials.

A Chinese + African alliance can benefit each other, China has the economics and technology, while Africa has the resources and military personal.

Western media have already started spreading hatred of Chinese people to African people, and just recently this trend has increased very dramatically. It's all over the news and internet now.

This proves how big a threat this alliance will be to the developed supreme nations.



As with the other nations pointed out earlier ...
pakistan just wants china to help them as they have no where to turn to, whether they will return the favour, you shouldn't count on it
burma is too small, but they are a faithful friend, just too small to solve all of our problems
North korea, another nation china is looking after, they can hardly do anything for us

[African]

I kind of think Africa is a great nation, with great potentials.

A Chinese + African alliance can benefit each other, China has the economics and technology, while Africa has the resources and military personal.

Western media have already started spreading hatred of Chinese people to African people, and just recently this trend has increased very dramatically. It's all over the news and internet now.

This proves how big a threat this alliance will be to the developed supreme nations.



As with the other nations pointed out earlier ...
pakistan just wants china to help them as they have no where to turn to, whether they will return the favour, you shouldn't count on it
burma is too small, but they are a faithful friend, just too small to solve all of our problems
North korea, another nation china is looking after, they can hardly do anything for us

Whether the western media propagates hate or whatever they want now we know them in black and white. Nobody will spoil the China-Africa relationship.

[qwerty2010]

I would say Russia, not because Russia has any great love for China, it loves Europe more, but China is to Russia like North Korea is to China, it's a "buffer" neighbor whose problems will spill over. The moment China collapses, Russia will be confronted with chaos at its long shared border, not to mention any nuclear fallout. And of course China is Russia's potential biggest trading partner for its energy sales and Russia needs cheap Chinese products. Russia will ensure that a hot war is prevented from happening and will make a show of force with China should the US-Japan ever threatens. Besides, when a missile is incoming towards China, it could trigger Russia's own missile defense. I read somewhere once that North Korea is so bold because it isn't afraid of being hit by missiles for the same reason.

This post has been edited by qwerty2010: Nov 15 2010, 12:29 PM

[African]

I would say Russia, not because Russia has any great love for China, it loves Europe more, but China is to Russia like North Korea is to China, it's a "buffer" neighbor whose problems will spill over. The moment China collapses, Russia will be confronted with chaos at its long shared border, not to mention any nuclear fallout. And of course China is Russia's potential biggest trading partner for its energy sales and Russia needs cheap Chinese products. Russia will ensure that a hot war is prevented from happening and will make a show of force with China should the US-Japan ever threatens. Besides, when a missile is incoming towards China, it could trigger Russia's own missile defense. I read somewhere once that North Korea is so bold because it isn't afraid of being hit by missiles for the same reason.

China and Russia are friends but I doubt Russia would offer her self to assist China in a war because Russia knows that China is upright.

[Ali]

I would say Russia, not because Russia has any great love for China, it loves Europe more, but China is to Russia like North Korea is to China, it's a "buffer" neighbor whose problems will spill over. The moment China collapses, Russia will be confronted with chaos at its long shared border, not to mention any nuclear fallout. And of course China is Russia's potential biggest trading partner for its energy sales and Russia needs cheap Chinese products. Russia will ensure that a hot war is prevented from happening and will make a show of force with China should the US-Japan ever threatens. Besides, when a missile is incoming towards China, it could trigger Russia's own missile defense. I read somewhere once that North Korea is so bold because it isn't afraid of being hit by missiles for the same reason.

North Korea is economically dependent on China, and in terms of weaponry she cannot hold her own against any of her neighbors. By contrast, while China's military technology may not be as advanced as NATO's or Russia's, China can more than defend herself in armed conflict because of her manpower and rapidly modernizing military. And on the economic front, China is not at all dependent on Russia; rather, it is somewhat the other way around. Thus, the Sino-Russian friendship is nothing like the China-North Korea relationship; they are partners to mutually profit from technology and capital exchange and to better compete against Japan and Western nations and due to historical cooperation.

This post has been edited by Ali: Nov 26 2010, 04:58 PM

[Taln]

I think NK is China's closest ally.

NK owes China her LIFE for saving her from utter complete doom by invading US-led UN/SK invasion force.

I can agree with your reason that NK should be China's ally, and at times they have shown to be. But when it comes to NK, Kim Jong Il is proving to be more and more of a problem. And any alliance with that individual, not a government or nation. The past decade it has been an embarrassment to be connected with him politically. It is no longer advantageous to China since they don't have access to the natural resources, NK exports nothing much of value to China, and they certainly don't need the population. Any attempt to formulate policy based on an alliance with such a psychotic megalomaniac is futile and destined to be more of a headache than it is worth. The only advantage to an alliance with NK would be to quiet KJ2's tendency to lash out at anyone who isn't an ally in his mind.

This post has been edited by Taln: Nov 26 2010, 06:57 PM

[African]

Since China can reach any enemy in whichever place in the world, I then wonder why it would need an ally.

[qwerty2010]

North Korea is economically dependent on China, and in terms of weaponry she cannot hold her own against any of her neighbors. By contrast, while China's military technology may not be as advanced as NATO's or Russia's, China can more than defend herself in armed conflict because of her manpower and rapidly modernizing military. And on the economic front, China is not at all dependent on Russia; rather, it is somewhat the other way around. Thus, the Sino-Russian friendship is nothing like the China-North Korea relationship; they are partners to mutually profit from technology and capital exchange and to better compete against Japan and Western nations and due to historical cooperation.

I agree to a certain extent that China is good in defense, especially it will have some surprises for those who dare to strike at her. However, in any conflict, you have to watch your REAR. If Russia decides to allow the US to use it to launch another front on China, it'll be devastating. And vice versa - Russia cannot allow China or N Korea to let the US encroach on its wide Eastern flank. Therefore, the two are ALLIES out of NECESSITY in the face of an unstable and belligerent NeoCon USA. The US is trying to gather an Asian NATO, to replay the Cold War, but this is impossible, as the Asian populations are not interested to wage a Cold War against China and to sacrifice Asian stability and prosperity to this indebted and aggressive hegemon. However, some of them would be forced into such a role. This kind of alliance, SCO with Russia and China as its head, is probably more substantial than talks of historic ties, etc., as it's based on very real MUTUAL INTERESTS at this juncture in history, with a tottering Superpower who is in great trouble looking for hostilities to reassert itself in a wealthy region.

NK is an "ally" in the sense that it is reliable and will not harm China. China trusts Kim, it is a long relationship going back a long way. It acts as a buffer to a limited extent. However, it is weak and could be draining on China. China has to help NK grow stronger before it can depend on it being an important ally.

In the end, the entire Asian region, including the SCO and a future Japan and Korea, will be stronger and more stable as they prosper together and mutual interests are strengthened. This depends very much on how the US solves its domestic problems, if it can finally get rid of the parasite Oligarchy and restore its own strength and principles. How are the 500 trillions worth of derivatives sold by Wall St going to unwind for the world economy? No one has an answer... An unstable, broke and corrupted US controlled by Machiavellians would mean very dark days ahead for all.

This post has been edited by qwerty2010: Nov 30 2010, 07:27 AM

[Suijen]

I think the question that you all need to ask is, "What's the point of having an ally?", and "what's the point of being in an alliance if no one's threatening you?".

[African]

I think the question that you all need to ask is, "What's the point of having an ally?", and "what's the point of being in an alliance if no one's threatening you?".

Or if you want to siphon resources from other countries by force.

[MiddleKingdom1]

Closest ally:

Pakistan, Myanmar, and North Korea.

[African]

Closest ally:

Pakistan, Myanmar, and North Korea.

Well, what about in Africa?

What about in Europe?

[DiaoyuIslandBelo...]

I think Pakistan

North Korea is a close second

many countries in South America, Middle East and Africa are also good strategic allies

[African]

I think Pakistan

North Korea is a close second

many countries in South America, Middle East and Africa are also good strategic allies

well.

[Suijen]

I disagree with the DPRK as an ally. On the surface we're lips and teeth, but all research from both China and the West shows how the relationship between the two is tenuous at best. The DPRK thinks China is an unreliable partner (we normalized relations with the DPRK's major enemies after all), and China thinks of DPRK as a spoiled freeloading brat that won't stop pissing everyone off. The DPRK made China lose a lot of face with its nuke testing also.

Pakistan is China's all-weather buddy. Relations have always been good.

Burma is a different story. During Mao's era, we were at odds because we supported the communists.