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Bush Nominee Urges Readiness to Defend Taiwan
caolucai
post Nov 30 2006, 12:02 AM
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Bush Nominee Urges Readiness to Defend Taiwan

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November 30, 2006

WASHINGTON -- President George W. Bush's nominee for defense secretary said the U.S. must prepare its military to resist if China attacks Taiwan.

Robert Gates, a former director of the Central Intelligence Agency chosen by Mr. Bush to succeed Donald Rumsfeld as defense chief, said that although China appears to want a peaceful merger with Taiwan, Beijing is boosting its military in case of a war with the island.

"We should maintain our capabilities to resist China's use of force or coercion against Taiwan and assist Taipei in maintaining its self-defense," Mr. Gates said in testimony submitted Tuesday to the Senate Armed Services Committee, which is to hold a confirmation hearing for Mr. Gates next week.

U.S. officials believe China's military buildup is intended to back up threats to attack Taiwan, the self-ruled island that Beijing claims as its own territory. The two sides split in 1949 amid civil war.

China vows to keep the island from independence by force if necessary. The U.S. has pledged to provide Taiwan the means to defend itself, and Mr. Gates's comments echoed U.S. policy.

Mr. Gates said China, as it works toward its goal of becoming Asia's pre-eminent power, is "expanding its political and economic influence in the region and generating options for military coercion."

But China's "near-term focus is on generating sufficient combat power to rapidly erode Taiwan's will to resist and to deter or deny effective intervention in a cross-Strait conflict," Mr. Gates said.

The U.S. and China have recently cooperated on attempts to rid North Korea of nuclear weapons, and Mr. Gates praised Beijing for that, as well as for "improved behavior on proliferation" and "increased transparency."

But criticism of China far outweighs praise in Washington. Complaints include accusations that Beijing curbs its citizens' freedoms and encourages economic policies that cost American jobs.

source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1164847112...whats_news_asia
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post Nov 30 2006, 07:18 AM
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Why dont they give the arm package to Taiwan for free?
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post Nov 30 2006, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE(Flowerseed @ Nov 30 2006, 09:18 PM) [snapback]2528677[/snapback]

Why dont they give the arm package to Taiwan for free?

That is a good question! I wonder why. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 30 2006, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(BigBenChow @ Nov 30 2006, 07:51 AM) [snapback]2528847[/snapback]

That is a good question! I wonder why. icon_rolleyes.gif

Because America is full of Jews
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post Nov 30 2006, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(mIcKy MoUsE @ Nov 30 2006, 11:05 PM) [snapback]2528878[/snapback]

Because America is full of Jews


That makes sense. They give free weapons to Israel. Jews helping Jews. Taiwan is left in the dirt... again.
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post Nov 30 2006, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE(BigBenChow @ Nov 30 2006, 09:15 AM) [snapback]2529002[/snapback]

That makes sense. They give free weapons to Israel. Jews helping Jews. Taiwan is left in the dirt... again.

Yea.
They claim to be America's ally, yet at the same time the Israelis sell military secrets to communist China.

Traitors of the Free World - Jews
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post Nov 30 2006, 12:24 PM
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HEY! Watch the anti-semitic comments.
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post Nov 30 2006, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(mIcKy MoUsE @ Nov 30 2006, 05:00 PM) [snapback]2529070[/snapback]

Yea.
They claim to be America's ally, yet at the same time the Israelis sell military secrets to communist China.

Traitors of the Free World - Jews


You got yer head stuck in a door hutch?

Chinese helped out Jewish people from Hitler's genocide, and they are people who know the meaning of gratitude.

I discriminate those who blindly bash China with nothing but the word "communist".

Get a life.

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post Nov 30 2006, 02:04 PM
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Gates is war hungry like rumsfield. U.S cannot defend ROC if it declares TI. Plain and simple.
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post Nov 30 2006, 02:04 PM
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^as i said many time before, declaring formal independence isn't the only thing that would trigger an attack from the ccp. plus, the ccp has an agenda to follow, gotta live up to their own propaganda. i doubt they'll be willing to keep waiting.
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You got yer head stuck in a door hutch?

Chinese helped out Jewish people from Hitler's genocide, and they are people who know the meaning of gratitude.

I discriminate those who blindly bash China with nothing but the word "communist".

Get a life.

i don't think he intended to bash the prc. that's simply how the country's referred to in the west, communist china.

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post Nov 30 2006, 02:20 PM
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Today only those who dont know anything about China would call China communist.
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post Nov 30 2006, 02:22 PM
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but china is a communist socialist government. Its better than calling it red china lol
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post Nov 30 2006, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(kunomchu @ Nov 30 2006, 02:22 PM) [snapback]2529468[/snapback]

but china is a communist socialist government. Its better than calling it red china lol


I mean not only calling but also meaning it. People should know that today communism has as much to do with china as democracy with north korea.
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post Nov 30 2006, 02:27 PM
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^i think the chinese COMMUNIST party would much rather be labeled as COMMUNIST than say, authoritarian or totalitarian, which are probably descriptions that are more suitable for today's CCP.
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Today only those who dont know anything about China would call China communist.

having a capitalist economy doesn't really say anything about the government. plus, the chinese COMMUNIST party still insists its communist. if someone told you his name is mike, would you call him bill? biggrin.gif

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Yeah, having a capitalist economy doesn't really say anything about the government, however they can insist anything but mixed with capitalism it can never be real communist. As capitalism "depends on people being basically selfish" and communism "depends on human nature being basically altruistic". And "some" people are not only calling China communist because its a name, but also take the point of communism into their argument.

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The CCP is communist by name only. In all honestly, that's all it is, and that's all it ever was.
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QUOTE(caolucai @ Nov 30 2006, 08:27 PM) [snapback]2529482[/snapback]

^i think the chinese COMMUNIST party would much rather be labeled as COMMUNIST than say, authoritarian or totalitarian, which are probably descriptions that are more suitable for today's CCP.

having a capitalist economy doesn't really say anything about the government. plus, the chinese COMMUNIST party still insists its communist. if someone told you his name is mike, would you call him bill? biggrin.gif


The truth is, CCP never claimed CHINA as a communist country, we've been "brainwashed" that CHINA of today is a socialist country but the truth is that even a child of 12 year old knows the truth.

The actual government is quite efficient and I am pretty much happy with it. The title of CCP could be changed in a matter of twenty years or so.

Be prepared for a changing CHINA and stop insulting it with a term of merely historical meanings. If the situation just swaps, i mean being ROC holding the mainland and the PRC in Taiwan, ROC would not allow the formal independence of "People's Republic of Taiwan" either.

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QUOTE(Elysee @ Nov 30 2006, 12:58 PM) [snapback]2529424[/snapback]

You got yer head stuck in a door hutch?

Chinese helped out Jewish people from Hitler's genocide, and they are people who know the meaning of gratitude.

I discriminate those who blindly bash China with nothing but the word "communist".

Get a life.

yea, we helped them, and what did we get? We got Jews exporting communism into China and destroying our civilization
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post Nov 30 2006, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE(Elysee @ Nov 30 2006, 01:56 PM) [snapback]2529557[/snapback]

The truth is, CCP never claimed CHINA as a communist country, we've been "brainwashed" that CHINA of today is a socialist country but the truth is that even a child of 12 year old knows the truth.

The actual government is quite efficient and I am pretty much happy with it. The title of CCP could be changed in a matter of twenty years or so.

Be prepared for a changing CHINA and stop insulting it with a term of merely historical meanings. If the situation just swaps, i mean being ROC holding the mainland and the PRC in Taiwan, ROC would not allow the formal independence of "People's Republic of Taiwan" either.

well, if there is only one party, isn't it pretty much assumed that the party represents the country since it runs the whole thing? plus, the ccp promotes the idea that serving the party is serving the country, and vice versa. this is why many people in here get so worked up everytime someone criticizes the ccp, for they view it as a criticism towards the prc and its people.

hahahaha, i think i'm confusing myself. in summary, i don't think the ccp represents the mainland people yet i think it represents the prc government. therefore, i think it's ok to refer to the prc as communist.

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QUOTE(mIcKy MoUsE @ Nov 30 2006, 09:58 PM) [snapback]2529712[/snapback]

yea, we helped them, and what did we get? We got Jews exporting communism into China and destroying our civilization


It's not as what might believe. The best way to get to know PRC and its people, is actually go and visit some parts of it. Be it in those backwards and poor regions in the center, or other déjà developed cities like Shanghai.

Stupid peasant revolution was trying to destroy our culture, in those stupid years, but not now! you have to understand that people change, so do a country.


QUOTE(caolucai @ Nov 30 2006, 10:38 PM) [snapback]2529818[/snapback]

well, if there is only one party, isn't it pretty much assumed that the party represents the country since it runs the whole thing? plus, the ccp promotes the idea that serving the party is serving the country, and vice versa. this is why many people in here get so worked up everytime someone criticizes the ccp, for they view it as a criticism towards the prc and its people.

hahahaha, i think i'm confusing myself. in summary, i don't think the ccp represents the mainland people yet i think it represents the prc government. therefore, i think it's ok to refer to the prc as communist.


The CCP of nowadays are not like its predecessors of the 60th, they are not at all eager communists, they do not at all love the idea of expressing communism all over the world, they focus on the developement of the country and are busy dealing with China's internal problems caused by a wrong social structure. It is the debt we have to pay, for a long time.

You can bash the formal Chinese government and stupid peasant commies for what they've done before, i too hate them, but there's nothing we can do about it now. As for the national integrity, just as i said before, every country would claim likewise for its national interest.


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