Davaoeños losing a piece of their history Options

[darren_simion]

Im Davaoeño and I speak fluent Mandaya which is the native tongue of Davao. Im 22 years old and I have yet to meet anyone my age from the city, even those in my generation inside my family, who speaks it. The only ones I speak Mandaya to here in the city are old people or those from the provinces. Davao is now only speaking bisaya which is from the Visayas as the name suggests since Davao is a melting pot, a lot of visayans, Ilocanos and Ilongos settled here thats why Davao now speaks a bisaya distinctly Davao. It has mixtures of tagalog, Ilocano and a bit of Ilongo. But no one now speaks Manadaya or even Dabaweño which is a bastardized version of Mandaya. I hope the local government does about this as it is part of our culture and the new generation are not even aware that Davao has its own dialect. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_confused.gif)

[RL33]

Sorry to here that but Manila doesnt care as do most filipinos. Just speak taglish instead that way maybe u can make it into showbiz (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) .

This post has been edited by RL33: Dec 4 2006, 09:59 PM

[vynncute]

Im Davaoeño and I speak fluent Mandaya which is the native tongue of Davao. Im 22 years old and I have yet to meet anyone my age from the city, even those in my generation inside my family, who speaks it. The only ones I speak Mandaya to here in the city are old people or those from the provinces. Davao is now only speaking bisaya which is from the Visayas as the name suggests since Davao is a melting pot, a lot of visayans, Ilocanos and Ilongos settled here thats why Davao now speaks a bisaya distinctly Davao. It has mixtures of tagalog, Ilocano and a bit of Ilongo. But no one now speaks Manadaya or even Dabaweño which is a bastardized version of Mandaya. I hope the local government does about this as it is part of our culture and the new generation are not even aware that Davao has its own dialect. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_confused.gif)

we share same sentiments my friend, Im a Matigsalug of Sinuda, Bukidnon. Im an I.P too...

Ganun Talaga kasi Diskriminated tayong mga katutubo, D2 na me stay Manila, I know little of our dialect because I grew up here,I can't speak but I do understand, I was born in davao so I know how to speak Bisaya. my parents sitll practice the old ways, naa pa mi mga ritual og usahay mag tribal attire kami in special occasions.

Minority Kasi ang tribu natin jan, pati yung Bagobo ng Davao. Mostly nasa bundok pa, kaya minimal lang ang makita natin na speaking mandaya or bagobo or whatever. and to the fact na Bisaya is the language used in business jan sa atin, I mean every body knows bisaya.

Unlike sa Norte, In Kalinga, Every Body knows how to speak Kalinga and Ilocano as the 2nd Language for them.

Maybe because of the Settlers from Visayas that we became accumulated by their culture, if we don't start caring and preserving it. basig mawala na! anyway didto sa amo sa sinuda, kitaotao kay ang akong uncle si Mayor Gawila Jr. man ang mayor, unya kay Netibo man na sya, naa sya programs to preserve the cultural heritage of the Manobo-Matigsalug.

Dapat unta, si Mayor Deuterte naa pud sya programa to preserve the Mandaya and Bagobo Culture of Davao.

[Jc2]

Yo is it true that most people in Mindanao nowadays aren't native Mindanaoans at all but are Visayans? My family's maid was from Davao Oriental province and she spoke a dialect of Cebuano, well I'm not sure she called it Bisaya but she spoke with another maid from Visayas who cannot speak Tagalog properly and she couldnt understand her much at all.

[darren_simion]

Sorry to here that but Manila doesnt care as do most filipinos. Just speak taglish instead that way maybe u can make it into showbiz (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) .

Just as much as I don't care what fickle people like you think. This topic is for those who do so I suggest you practice more on your acting and your taglish so maybe then you can get into showbiz and mingle with the likes of Boy Abunda. I know you would love the idea of you lying on the floor and telling you story to Boy Abunda in taglish on a sunday afternoon.

[RL33]

Just as much as I don't care what fickle people like you think. This topic is for those who do so I suggest you practice more on your acting and your taglish so maybe then you can get into showbiz and mingle with the likes of Boy Abunda. I know you would love the idea of you lying on the floor and telling you story to Boy Abunda in taglish on a sunday afternoon.

Oh man only if i was so lucky I wish to be like my idol Sandara Park because she talented and she is the best actor ever, she makes me so proud to be filipino (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) .

[dalawapo]

Just as much as I don't care what fickle people like you think. This topic is for those who do so I suggest you practice more on your acting and your taglish so maybe then you can get into showbiz and mingle with the likes of Boy Abunda. I know you would love the idea of you lying on the floor and telling you story to Boy Abunda in taglish on a sunday afternoon.

i think RL33 is just doing that characteristic filipino trait of not ever taking issues seriously and always had to say some joke then nothing ever get done and the country is still mess up! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif) i care about bagobo sittuation and all indigenous ppl, but im only in america and can not make a voice. maybe u should just record ur heritages and then promote it to america so american pinoys will readily want to learn it because we want to present an authentic ethnic identity in america. =D

see check it out. this filipino muslim guy is teaching his traditional kulintang music and muslim culture to america. he is becoming a teacher who teaches classes in america to eagar filipino students wanting a taste of a real culture!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I5F3nqygIM

This post has been edited by dalawapo: Dec 4 2006, 10:44 PM

[vynncute]

hey I know how to play kulintang the LUMAD way. But I Can't teach without the authority of the Tribal Leaders because my skill is the property of the tribe.

[bisaya]

darren and vynncute,

the best way you can help preserve it is to speak the language and teach the people your language, or make a record of your vocabulary with examples of how it is used in a sentence. i'm very interested to learn the mindanaoan languages. i hope to be able to help preserve it by learning it. the problem is with our system where our native languages are not preserved because of lack of interest arguing that "it is not a national language and it would be a waste of resources to spend money for its research and preservation. so let's just all learn tagalog and enrich it." it's time the country wakes up and see what they are losing.

This post has been edited by bisaya: Dec 4 2006, 11:51 PM

[dabawenyo]

^^^hey guys calm down..havent you heard the news before that because of the diversed and merged dialects here in davao,it was once suggested to make it the national language..dont stick in the hell of the things only but also the benefits it could bring being hybridized,mixture of tounges..

[kristleh_II]

Sorry to here that but Manila doesnt care as do most filipinos. Just speak taglish instead that way maybe u can make it into showbiz (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) .

ayos. alam na alam mo ang Manila ano? anthropologist ka noh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/eek.gif)

darren and vynncute,

the best way you can help preserve it is to speak the language and teach the people your language, or make a record of your vocabulary with examples of how it is used in a sentence. i'm very interested to learn the mindanaoan languages. i hope to be able to help preserve it by learning it. the problem is with our system where our native languages are not preserved because of lack of interest arguing that "it is not a national language and it would be a waste of resources to spend money for its research and preservation. so let's just all learn tagalog and enrich it." it's time the country wakes up and see what they are losing.

hay, the bitterness again. kung alam mo lang ang totoong sitwasyon... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[crinovski]

ayos. alam na alam mo ang Manila ano? anthropologist ka noh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/eek.gif)
hay, the bitterness again. kung alam mo lang ang totoong sitwasyon... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

magkalaban talaga kau ni bisaya... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)

[bisaya]

kung kabalo lang ka inday, kabao ko sa tinuod na kahimtang kay naglakawlakaw na ko sa bug-os pinas ug nakighiusa sa mga katawhan. gikan sa ilokos paubos dri sa bisayas, ilahos sa mindanao. mao mao gyud ang imo madunggan. ang tinuod nga wala kabalo sa tinuod kahimtang sa atong nasud kay kanang nagpuyo lang sa ila mga nindot na balay ug halos wala na mainiti sa adlaw. kanang mga tawhana na wala na mag-agi sa kalisud sa mga yano na katawhan na naa sa gawas sa manila. sila ang way kalibutan sa tinuod kahimtang. kung pagnegosyo ang hisgotan niagi na gihapon ko anang kalisud sa pagpang-asikaso sa mga kinahanglanon. ang tanan ako gisulti naggikan sa daghang mga gipang-agian nako na problema na resulta na gihapon sa ato systema. sanglit kung naa koy isulti dri na masakitan man ang mga nahitungdan. hinaot unta isipon ni nila na usa ka pahimatngon. kay tingali muabot ang panahon na sila ra gihapon ang mahimong hinungdan sa pagkabuwagbuwag sa atong nasud karon.

This post has been edited by bisaya: Dec 5 2006, 09:13 AM

[kristleh_II]

@crivnosku hindi naman. online crush ko nga siya eh. kung alam niya lang. hahahaha

ganito kasi yan. naiintindihan ko kung anong pinanggagalingan niya at ng ibang non-Tagalogs dito. pero sa lahat ng bagay, two-way relationship yan. lumalabas kasi aping-api lang sila. hahaha.

parang ang problema lang sa Pilipinas ay kaming mga Tagalos at taga-Maynila. hehehe. eh yung mga kapitalista? yung mga nag-dynamite fishing? lahat ba yun mga Tagalog? yung mga artistang pa-konyo konyo. eh lahat ba yun tubong Manila? Si boy abunda ba ay Tagalog? hahaha.

sa iba kasi, mas madali kung sisisihin na lang ang Manila at mga Tagalog. kasi mas madaling magpaka-bitter. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)

kung kabalo lang ka inday, kabao ko sa tinuod na kahimtang kay naglakawlakaw na ko sa bug-os pinas ug nakighiusa sa mga katawhan. gikan sa ilokos paubos dri sa bisayas, ilahos sa mindanao. mao mao gyud ang imo madunggan. ang tinuod nga wala kabalo sa tinuod kahimtang sa atong nasud kay kanang nagpuyo lang sa ila mga nindot na balay ug halos wala na mainiti sa adlaw. kanang mga tawhana na wala na mag-agi sa kalisud sa mga yano na katawhan na naa sa gawas sa manila. sila ang way kalibutan sa tinuod kahimtang. kung pagnegosyo ang hisgotan niagi na gihapon ko anang kalisud sa pagpang-asikaso sa mga kinahanglanon. ang tanan ako gisulti naggikan sa daghang mga gipang-agian nako na problema na resulta na gihapon sa ato systema. sanglit kung naa koy isulti dri na masakitan man ang mga nahitungdan. hinaot unta isipon ni nila na usa ka pahimatngon. kay tingali muabot ang panahon na sila ra gihapon ang mahimong hinungdan sa pagkabuwagbuwag sa atong nasud karon.

sige na nga. naintindihan ko sinasabi mo. may punto ka naman eh wag ka lang bitter talaga. jaded na jaded ka dong. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif) okie


This post has been edited by kristleh_II: Dec 5 2006, 09:13 AM

[bisaya]

you need to read it again. the post was about the tagalog dominated educational system because the one who is at the top are from imperial manila or lives in manila and probably do not care much about the rest of the country.

we are just showing you the real state of our nation. the system that needs change because the present system focused too much on the tagalog's well being neglecting the rest of the citizens. and FYI, when we mention the word tagalog it doesnt always refer to the people, it could be the language, the culture or the system, the centralized system dominated by the tagalogs.

edit: maayo nagkasinabot na diay ta. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif) ana ba para way gubot.

This post has been edited by bisaya: Dec 5 2006, 09:45 AM

[kristleh_II]

^hindi mo din ata nabasa yung post ko. hahahaha.

ganito lang yan. wag kang masyadong bitter. iniisip mo kasi biktima ka parati, biktima kayong mga hindi tagalog. kahit language o tao o kung ano pa man, wala kang ginawa kundi sisihin ang tagalog dodong.


ganito ka kasi mag-isip.

e.g.

bisaya na lang ang salita sa amin, nawala na yung katutubo naming wika = (eto ang malamang na sagot mo) kasi ang mga tagalog... (chorva eklat, chevers, etc.)

mahirap ang bansa = kasi ang mga tagalog, mga taga-Maynila...

puro na lang si balagtas = kasi ang mga tagalog, mga taga-Maynila...

para bang pag bumagyo = kasi ang mga tagalog, mga taga-Maynila hehehe

puro Manila at Tagalog ang laman ng reklamo mo. matindi ang galit mo manash. stroke ang abot mo niyan. hahaha

[kurt123]

the post was about the tagalog dominated educational system because the one who is at the top are from imperial manila or lives in manila and probably do not care much about the rest of the country.

we are just showing you the real state of our nation. the system that needs change because the present system focused too much on the tagalog's well being neglecting the rest of the citizens. and FYI, when we mention the word tagalog it doesnt always refer to the people, it could be the language, the culture or the system, the centralized system dominated by the tagalogs.

Yeah. That will help with national unity and progress, which is what the country needs right now. (Thats is sarcasm, by the way)

This reminds me of that time in China's history when some emperor guy standardized (is that the correct term?) their writing system (among others, such as weights and measurements).........

[bisaya]

bisaya na lang ang salita sa amin, nawala na yung katutubo naming wika = (eto ang malamang na sagot mo) kasi ang mga tagalog... (chorva eklat, chevers, etc.)

sayop, ang tubag nako, because of the national language policy and our educational system that are too focused on the tagalogs.

mahirap ang bansa = kasi ang mga tagalog, mga taga-Maynila...

sayop na pud. because of the present system where there is too much centralization and imperial manila controls a big percentage of our wealth. the bureaucracy in manila is dominated by the tagalogs. the head office of the different bureaus and departments are in imperial manila.

puro na lang si balagtas = kasi ang mga tagalog, mga taga-Maynila...

murag sakto ka ana. kay taga-manila bitaw ang mga magpublish sa mga libro ug ang mga namuhunan anang mga publishing company dili taga-visayas ug mindanao. ang mga taga central office sa manila ang magpabidding. ang mga nagsuwat sa libro mga taga-luzon ug ang publisher naa sa luzon ug mga taga manila.

para bang pag bumagyo = kasi ang mga tagalog, mga taga-Maynila hehehe

kana murag sakto pud ka ana kay pag-adto nako sa manila daghandaghan pud didto ang ako nakatagbo na bagyuhon ka kung makig-istorya na sila.

puro Manila at Tagalog ang laman ng reklamo mo. matindi ang galit mo manash. stroke ang abot mo niyan. hahaha

kay kinsa pa man diay inyo reklamohon? ang pamunuan gud na naa sa manila ang gakupot sa amo kuarta ug katigayunan.

This post has been edited by bisaya: Dec 5 2006, 10:47 AM

[kristleh_II]

^almost perfect score ka bisaya. puro tagalog at manila ang sagot mo. hehehe. as expected.

ibig mong sabihin mga opisyal lang sa Manila ang nagnanakaw ng pera niyo? amazing ah. wala sa sa ibang rehiyon?

pero for that, promote kita to the next level (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif) hehehe. okie. tama na 'to. bye. nyt. love you.

[bisaya]

may kawatan gihapon dri sa amo apan kun naa na sa kamot sa amo mga local na gobyerno di na sila kabalibad na "wala pa mi kuarta, wa pa mi tagai sa manila." ug ipasa ang tanan sa presidente. mao mas daghan gihapon mabuhat bisan pa ingnon nato na iya ikurakot ang uban. mas labing lisud dawaton kung ang kuarta namo tua lang diay gikurakot sa dili pa gyud taga-amo.