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Who were the "Indones" people?, One of the natives listed in Filipino textbooks
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post Dec 8 2006, 05:50 PM
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If you grew up in the Philippines, you may have remember that they taught us that there are 3 native people in the Philippines. The teachers told us something like this

Negrito who are the first people in Philippines. They came to Philippines through landbridges. They are short, dark, curly and hunts warthogs for food with spears

Indones who arrived (I forgot how) later after Negritos. They are lightskinned, narrow nose and tall

Malay who are the majority of the Philippines. They arrived through boats. They are brown skinned

So who were the "Indones" people? We all know the Negritos are the Aetas today and the "Malay" are the common Filipinos. Are the Indones the Igorots or something?
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post Dec 8 2006, 06:25 PM
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The Igorots are Proto-Malay.
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post Dec 9 2006, 12:45 AM
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About 3000 BCE, a loose confederation of peoples known as 'Nesiots' (also called Indonesian) came to the Philippines. They became the ancestors of the present-day Luzon and Mindanao hilltribes. They are characterized as being of mixed Mongolian and Caucasoid origin primarily because of their light complexion and tall height- they ranged from 5'6 feet to 6'2 feet. There are two waves of successive Nesiot immigration. The first wave saw a people who have light complexions, aquiline noses, thin lips, and deep-set eyes. The second wave of migration were shorter and heavier in physique, having darker complexion, thick lips, large noses, and heavy jaws. Those of the second wave of migration had epics and folk stories mixed with superstitions. From these people came the Luzon hilltribes.

http://encyclopedia.quickseek.com/index.ph...the_Philippines

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post Dec 9 2006, 12:54 AM
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obcvious the teacher think malay came from malaysia and indones come from indonesia. and believe its a different people, but the people the same relation.

and from lingustic relation, they linguist say that filipine languages is related most to borneo called philippine-borneo languages or "outer Hesperonesian" of austornesian familye

and batanes language closely to taiwan aborigines..

so what does that say??? confused.gif
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post Dec 9 2006, 01:23 AM
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I think that the Orang Asli is the Malay group which is divided into three groups (Negrito, Senoi, and Proto-Malay). They came from Peninsular Malaysia and migrated to the Philippines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orang_Asli

The Nesiots are the Indones who came from Indonesia who migrated also to the Philippines.

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post Dec 9 2006, 01:40 AM
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^ orang asli speak mon-khmer languages, not austronesian, can u explain it?

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post Dec 9 2006, 01:51 AM
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QUOTE(dalawapo @ Dec 9 2006, 01:40 AM) [snapback]2553851[/snapback]

^ orang asli speak mon-khmer languages, not austronesian, can u explain it?

I think orang asli is a broad term and they have been in Malaysia 40,000 years ago. Maybe part of orang asli speak austronesian.

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post Dec 9 2006, 11:26 AM
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Are the Igorots and some Mindanao mountain tribes like T'boli Nesiots? Are the Nesiots related to the Ainu of Japan?

I think the Orang Asli speak Mon-Khmer languages because the Mon-Khmer people established kingdoms near the Malay peninsula in the past and various Orang Asli tribes become dominated by Mon-Khmer so they gave up their original language to speak the language of their neighbors. Same thing happened in the Philippines. The negrito tribes gave up their original language to speak the language of the majority Austronesian speaking people
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post Dec 9 2006, 11:50 AM
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is it true kapampangan, ilokano, and pangasinan peopls speak cordillera languages? so are they orignally like cordillera peoples but they were hispanicized by the spanish? confused.gif
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post Dec 9 2006, 11:53 AM
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I think its just the Pangasinan that speak cordillera language

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The culture of Pangasinan is a blend of the indigenous Malayo-Polynesian and western Hispanic and American cultures, with some Indian, and Chinese influences. Pangasinan culture is closely related to the Cordillerano and Ilocano cultures. The Cordilleranos are believed to be descendants of Pangasinan people.

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post Dec 9 2006, 11:58 AM
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how can pangasinan be the ancestors of cordillera peoples?

does pangasinan have older rice terraces or something? confused.gif
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post Dec 9 2006, 12:00 PM
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I think they meant that the Cordillerano people are the ancestors of Pangasinan people
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post Dec 9 2006, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(Jc2 @ Dec 9 2006, 11:26 AM) [snapback]2554590[/snapback]

Are the Igorots and some Mindanao mountain tribes like T'boli Nesiots? Are the Nesiots related to the Ainu of Japan?

I think the Orang Asli speak Mon-Khmer languages because the Mon-Khmer people established kingdoms near the Malay peninsula in the past and various Orang Asli tribes become dominated by Mon-Khmer so they gave up their original language to speak the language of their neighbors. Same thing happened in the Philippines. The negrito tribes gave up their original language to speak the language of the majority Austronesian speaking people



this could be true and would explain what happened to the chams of southern vietnam. alot of them may have mixed in with the viets who came from the north
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post Dec 9 2006, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(dalawapo @ Dec 9 2006, 11:50 AM) [snapback]2554615[/snapback]

is it true kapampangan, ilokano, and pangasinan peopls speak cordillera languages? so are they orignally like cordillera peoples but they were hispanicized by the spanish? confused.gif

ilocano been hispanized by the spanish? o please come on man im ilocano, where did you get this such a stuped idea. i cant even understand the cordilera languages
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post Dec 9 2006, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(kermit_criminal @ Dec 9 2006, 06:43 PM) [snapback]2555434[/snapback]

this could be true and would explain what happened to the chams of southern vietnam. alot of them may have mixed in with the viets who came from the north


Well there are still Chams who retained their culture and speak their own language. Not all have assimilated to the Vietnamese
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post Dec 11 2006, 02:39 AM
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QUOTE(Jc2 @ Dec 9 2006, 11:26 AM) [snapback]2554590[/snapback]

Are the Igorots and some Mindanao mountain tribes like T'boli Nesiots? Are the Nesiots related to the Ainu of Japan?

I think the Orang Asli speak Mon-Khmer languages because the Mon-Khmer people established kingdoms near the Malay peninsula in the past and various Orang Asli tribes become dominated by Mon-Khmer so they gave up their original language to speak the language of their neighbors. Same thing happened in the Philippines. The negrito tribes gave up their original language to speak the language of the majority Austronesian speaking people


Nesiot came the Igorot people of northern Luzon, as well as the hill tribes of Mindanao island (Lumad). The Nesiots are also the ancestors of the Bataks of Sumatra and the Dyaks of Borneo.

I think the Ainu of Japan came from Finland via Siberia and finally settled at Japan. The Nesiots came from Indonesia and Borneo.

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post Dec 11 2006, 08:09 AM
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I don't get it. Why were there light skinned people in Indonesia 5000 years ago? I thought people who live near the equator are supposed to be dark
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post Dec 11 2006, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(pinoyako @ Dec 9 2006, 07:32 PM) [snapback]2555552[/snapback]

ilocano been hispanized by the spanish? o please come on man im ilocano, where did you get this such a stuped idea. i cant even understand the cordilera languages

lol everybody in Philippines were Hispanized except the moros.
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post Oct 30 2007, 10:47 PM
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indones came from taiwan then one tribe became dominant in the philippines and spread displacing other indones tribes to borneo and java,that is why rice terraces can be found in laguna.

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