As everyone already knows one of the biggest empires ever was the Ottoman Turk, and we have the same history mongolians do, Because it is beleived the ottoman turks where mongolians what do you guys think about this?

More or less Turks and Mongols are cousins. Sure, I can appreciate the awesome people of Central Asia, mowing our way to the largest empires in the world on horseback.

i think it was different tribes in the days because we also beleive we are desendants of Gengis Khan, most of turkeys population looks asian we are known as the dirty men of europe. i wonder if our nations still have similarities i havent looked into it much but being a turk and being ancient mongolian give us pride.

First of all thios isn't the place to discust this.

and secondly the Ottomans= Were a multi-ethnic sociaty.

the ruling class of the line of osman were Seljuk beys of anatolia who are descndants of the Oghuz Turkmens. (During the early ottoman era and seljuk era all turks were called Turkmens(not including yoruks or tatars)

The ottomans were originaly Of Ca descent but when the empire started to evlove and grow. The became less CA and more well a mix of persian middle eastern and european.

You had few elite families(the roll of these families got les important after the devsirme system(the ottoman sultans or hans were afraid of you know getting distrowned(this is custom with the steppe people a family can become the ruling family if they're stronger and take control) )

After the devsirme system the empire started to become real multi-ethnic

All the top possitions were given to the Non-Turkics.(the devsirme was founded because the thnic warriors would only fight for booty and well a modern army with bootyu doesn't work)

as for the ethnic horseback archers they were called the Akinci(elites) the rest were recruted foreign slavs or eorgians like jannisaries or kapikulu , etc...(I also think the sipahis were ethnics)
I could go on and on but.......


The ottoman empire was truely a great empire but it just had few ancient traces of the Steppes. (from its organisation till trade or law(still few remnants of the ancient Yasa) was middle eastern or european.


Ottomans don't connect with any Ancient steppe empire or people(they have just little trases of it)

this is the reality

1: biggest empire was mongolian empier in a time of kublai khan.
2: ottoman turks are not mongolians they were not mongolians and will be not mongolians.

my point exactly


(i dont like him we have had our differnces but when he's right he's right damn it )

The ottomans assimilated into the Meditteranean cultures the same way the Mongols sinicized I guess. Hats off to the Ottomans though they lasted longer than most empires did.

lol ok i know what the rest of the world thinks of turks i just wanted to know what actual mongolians think of turks, not very much i should keep doing my studies thank you

It's going to look like i keep on agreeing with people but yeah thats what happend

smile. i think a same like turks do thinking about canadian inuids.

i never said we where the biggest, i said one of the biggest. And i bet any of use i look as asian as you do if not more maybe we have mixtures in us but the anciesnt turks dont mix and will refuse to mix with the european look a like turks, dont just destroy everything we built with a couple of words. thanx

No "ancient" turks loved to mix thats why you look the way you are buddy.

Turk, when you ask for others opinions, you risk the chance to have what you are shot down.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say

do you have the risk to get shot down?

Think, think, think Tujue he asked about the Turks, obviously what he is. And others opinions on them. People shot down those opinions. (Not litterally if thinking causes hemmorages.)

aha okay i get it now. and yes you are absolutly right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uMpRDjoNdk

Ahahahaha
This video never fails to crack me up!

Looks like you Anatolian Turks are having a lot of trouble with butthurt Greeks eh? Don't worry about 'em, they have been LITERALLY butthurt for thousands of years due to their boy-loving culture

Ne ways, Turks are Turks, Mongols are Mongols, keep it that way. Once we were one, but that was a VERY, VERY, VERY... VERY!!! VERY long time ago. So I've given up on the idea of unity by ethnicity, Turanids are a far-reaching and diverse race, and not all of us act as we should. Unity by ideology, is much better. Our culture is not all about war and conquests, grow up from such violence and you'll see something else within our people.

I am a Moghul and my wife is a Khalkha Mongol. You Mongolian are really a nice people and my admiration at your hospitality is tremendous.

Though the Moghul have Mongolian, Persian, Turkish and Indian blood within them, the name Mughal itself imply they have Mongol ancestry.

as for the Turk and Mongol, they are obviously cousin. Look at the Kazakh, Kyrghiz and Mongol, they can pass as each other because they look similar, their way of life and culture is also remarkably similar. The Kryghiz also love in Ger( not so different from Mongol), and drink horse milk. Only religion that set them apart.

Humanity is but one family.

I disagree, there are TWO families, TWO human races.
Race one: Human being
Race two: Human trash

And no, I don't pin an entire ethnic or nationality in accordance to either of these categories. These labels are earned by merit; they are earned by the respective individual him/herself. It is unfortunate that the legal system of the world prevents the cleaning of human fesces that continue to linger and pollute our clean world.

But they are still "human", either trash or not. "Human trash" falls under the subset of "Human being" too. Anyway, this is philosophical.

I agree, criminals ( terrorists, Mafia, gangsters, peace haters) must be punished and peace lover must be lauded.

But still,

Humanity is but one family.

I apologize for not making myself clear, allow me to explain.
Now I wasn't going to point you out on your quote, it means well. And I'm sure you are being polite, but I have trouble agreeing with it.

Now, firstly, a correction:
1) Human beings
2) Excrement or waste products of human beings (Shorter term of this is of course; human trash)

So not everyone to me is human. Some say I have a problem; which is true, but it's just a problem I have with some people. I've tried to listen to everyone else and see the humanity in the types of people I despise but it's difficult. Over the years I had been assigned to different psychologists by the courts who tried to pin me with ASPD/Psychopathy/Sociopathy/whatever labels. However, unlike your typical sociopath, I can still function normally in human society. I've also studied psychology myself to understand my own thoughts too but unfortunately it seems not every "frame of mind" at present is documented in modern social science. My wife tells me I'm normal, my problem is just my temper. I wish it was that simple and I could believe that as much as she does.

Now; I don't always support humanitarianism. Charity is another thing; for example, a homeless kid digging up trash to eat out on the street, I won't sleep at night unless I at least buy the kid some proper food. However, I won't support the humanitarian value that "all humans are equal". Yes, I can agree that we are born equals, but not all stay human. Problem of society remains in human rights being issued to walking piles of sh-t who do nothing but leech off other people's hard-work through the dole system while having the nerve to make it their only purpose in life to bring others down.

Let's take one scenario for example: A most recent example of a real walking pile of sh-t. Someone amongst many had the inhuman capability to judge a baby girl before she was even born. Now sure, the majority has already realised they were wrong and had apologised. They are still human. But one however, who was a pot-addict sitting his @$$ collecting government pensions at 22 years of age... decided to press charges and get compensation for the injuries he himself simply begged for. With my record I was forced to deal with it outside court. So while I work 2 jobs 7 days a week, taking care of my wife and daughter, he's now very happy getting stoned off his face continuing to sit on hard-working people's TAX money including MY hard-earned money.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind killing him as this point if I can ever get away with it. But I got a family to take care of, I'll never risk that. The streets stink, but the law loves to protect fesces for some reason. Meh, just venting out.

Hi Naiz

I understand your difficulties and hardships in coping with this evil human. We all cherish peaceful and happy life with whoever we decided to live with but certain demon in human form find trouble with us. I am unsure about the fate of my child whether Mongols will accept her as one of them or not, but for sure, Ovoo and Emee will accept my child. I dont care about others.

However Mr Subu'atai, I will believe that we human are changing towards acceptance and tolerance gradually. By the time your daughter grown up to be a lovely adult, the racist and discriminative attitude might not be there anymore which consequently bring about integration in Australian society. I pray so.

Naiz, we have diverted from the original subject but it's good to sip vodka with you while chatting cordially if we have opportunity to meet one day.

When she grows up I'm buying her a barbie doll, then a BB gun to shoot them with.

I planned for a son, but there is no reason why my daughter won't be able to fight the good fight against racism both me and my wife especially suffered.

Hi Anda

Your wife who is of mix heritage is a living proof that love is superior than racism. The relationship between Anda, a Mongol, and your wife, half Chinese-Swedish is also an evidence of love exceed any discriminatory attitude. When you live by this motto, who can break the norm and act racist? There's a concept called: "Cause and Effect" in Buddhism. If we act discreetly, non-racist, then the effect will finally be good or positive.

As for the society, sorry to say, people's mindset tend to change in a gradual step. Anda may witness it now and try to break through the barrier. Let's hope that your lovely daughter will not witness it in the future.

By the way, Anda can still try again for a son.

I make it a personal comment to not be racist, I do not wish to become the very enemies of whom I despise utterly. However, I may be failing in this regard. Because I have established my own system of "human beings" or "human trash". Unfortunately, I actually depend on it to become non-racist. I have a very bad temper, don't know why, maybe just due to my upbringing having been raised on the streets. Still, underneath all that when I meet someone I still approach them with the title of a human being, but if they cross the line, then they ain't human to me anymore. That's just how I am, and just how it is.

I have to follow my meritocratic system of "racialism" by seperating humanity into two groups; one which is beneficial or the other which exists only to pollute and stink up the whole f--king world.

When meeting someone else I never give a flying f--k where they come from or whatever their ancestry/heritage/whatever the f--k. I judge them by WHO they are, not WHAT they are (which is a f--king sick mentality of human trash). Reality is that "race" is still a serious problem in society, we ain't living in no utopia. We're on Earth, and Heaven and Hell is just right next door, same with Angels and Demons.

And yes, as for my daughter, I had hoped she will never encounter this crap. I made a promise when I was young to be a good dad and raise a good child. Now my daughter means everything to me, and I have ended up hating racists so f--king much I'm walking a thin line between jail and freedom. As a realist I know things have been improving but much too slowly. We have human f--king trash slowing down the progress of humanity as a whole. If it wasn't for my wife my head would have exploded a long time ago. She helps keeps me sane, knowing that my daughter is in good hands.

A son? You f--king kidding? What if I go through all this again and end up with... another daughter?! LOL! Anda, I know my luck, and it's ALWAYS against me

Anda, it's ok. Ever heard of Golden Rule? In Buddhism is like this: "...a state that is not pleasing or delightful to me, how could I inflict that upon another?" Samyutta NIkaya v. 353

That one direct from Buddhist scripture. It means that: "Do unto others what you should have done to youself." That person acted racist and violate the golden rule, Anda taught him a lesson. He shouldnt act lawlessly racist at the first place. Apparently, the law is not appreciating it. That is the core of the problem.



ooops, I have crossed my line. Sorry Anda.



Not necessarily true. Anda's biggest luck is in finding such good wife in this life. I guess Tengriin still love Anda. Dont worry.

Apparently the reason why the law does not appreciate it is due to Anglo-Saxon countries, I've read in other countries such as in Europe it is quite commonly accepted as the natural law to have a brawl and get away with it if the instigator had asked for it. That is another reason why in the future I hope to emigrate.

As for racism, here, there is no real law against it. Sure it is discouraged yes, and can give leverage on certain court cases and work relations but generally; pffft! good luck. There are some specialist organisations who do deal with this but others have told me that for some reason they themselves are extremely biased to favor the Anglo-Saxon over the "Ethnic", especially if the "Ethnic" has physically attacked the Anglo-Saxon.

In the end, the anti-racists here seems to exist only for show. The real anti-racism is dealt with outside of the law, but what is new really? Personally I don't believe anything can be done about it unless Australia reforms its cultural racist roots and truly embrace multi-culturalism but I don't see that happening.

As I have mentioned before when I traveled around Asia earlier this year south-East-Asian countries especially Malaysia and Singapore really opened up my eyes at how multi-culturalism should be; and how Australia's propaganda as a "multi-cultural" nation is truly flawed. And I don't feel it's not the "ethnic"'s fault either; as in Singapore, ALL speak 2-3+ languages, form no racial territories, and do not assimilate. While in Australia, any language either then English is discriminated, racial/ethnic territories are formed, and non-Anglo cultures are pushed to assimilate to become *cough* "Multi-cultural Australian".

Heh and don't worry, I'm not offended by your suggestion Anda. It's just the thought of it is outrageous at the moment. Yes I have a good wife, but as always heh sometimes I do tend to take her for granted. She is 3 years older then me and much more mature after all, that's why I am reforming to her views, then to keep my own. Thank you btw, it's just through these hard times it's hard to believe I'm being looked out for by a higher being.

Anda, my wife is 3 years older too. Sometimes she said that I am a little childish. Ha ha, that's great.

Anda, what you described as the actual circumstances in Australia really open my eyes. I thought that the country is secular, thus, favouring equality, cherish human right to the maximum. But, leaves tend to be greener on the other side.

As for Malaysia and Singapore, yes, that's true. The fact is that the native in Malaysia(Malays) are soft,lenient and tolerant race. They have a few racial issues too. However, overall the Chinese and Indian are allowed to maintain their culture and tradition without worrying about assimilation. Some Chinese dont even speak the national language(Malay language) properly but still can peacefully coexist with the dominating race (Malays).

By the way, Singapore has the lowest crime rate in Asia.

Haha, we have a lot in common my Mughal brother! It's nice sure but whenever I do act childish; my wife still yells at me "stop acting like a boy and more like man!" - and coming from her it hits EXTRA LOW! heh unfortunately as she knows that it hits, she also uses that quote to get me to do whatever she wants me to do... including trying to control my temper however by doing so she has only made it difficult for me to communicate with her sometimes.

... Australia favouring equality? HUMAN RIGHTS? ARE YOU F--KING KIDDING ME?!

Hell you're getting me worked up, sometimes I just don't get why so many people look for ways to get in yet at the same time I'm looking for ways to GET OUT. Then I started to think, F--KING PROPAGANDA. Australia has a high demand for skilled workers and its low population makes it depended on immigration to grow. But you come and live here for a while you'll see how much the general population even *cough* appreciates your work.
SURE! Human rights for Anglos, none for ethnics, not even for a baby girl. Cause we ain't f--king human are we? After the Cronulla riots, a Leb c-nt burns the Aussie flag, gets jailed for 6 months, Leb c-nts who were involved in the revenge attacks against Anglos get jailed at full penalty. How about those Anglo c-nts who mobbed and beat up two innocent middle-eastern "ethnics" on a train, what the f--k do they get? "RISK of going to jail". Media coverage on each story is 90% length about "violent ethnics", then 10% length about "violent Anglos" and what happens at the end? Ethnics get jailed, Anglos go free and may even claim f--king bull$hit compensation.

Yes, Australia sweeps a lot under the rug. There are good people here too but very few. The majority aren't racists to your face, they just go behind your back instead. My wife's European friends tell me that it's an Anglo thing. Nowadays I'm very selective of who I choose to be friends with. If I become mates with Anglo-Aussies nowadays it's seems to only be with:
1) People with stable and loving families: My neighbours for instance, they are great people. They understand a parent's love for their children. And they know an untaught rule that "Something said against the family, stays in the family". Anyone who doesn't understand that, they can get f--ked
2) Ex-soldiers/Servicemen/women; The military in Australia has trained fine people who know exactly what they are fighting for and strongly enforce non-racialism to a high degree. Australian soldiers come from all backgrounds and most understand the importance of unity and what the country really stands for (or tries to stand for). If I was in politics I would petition for the government to make the cadets programs compulsory for high school students. Servicemen and women in the ADF however do tend to be rather naive in my opinion, their patriotism sometimes goes beyond all reality and it would seem that they are in denial at times when it comes to civilian or political issues.
They will give you a positive picture of Australia, showing you why they serve to defend it. However to be honest; they need to. They are the ones looking out for the rest of Australia, as for me, those days are gone. The values that I was sworn to protect do not even exist. Even if my views are not agreeable to theirs though, I still believe in the same Australia as they do. But unlike them, I feel we are fighting for a dream, not a reality. It can be true though, military life just has its own reality.

To be honest even though I lived here all my life even I never knew racism was so deeply buried yet so f--king intense enough that people have the inhuman capability to dehumanise an unborn baby girl. As much as other Australians (like the types I've described above) have been supportive, I know it's only a matter of time before someone else is racist against my daughter and I'll probably f--king end up locked up the next time for dropping that c-nt - she was the target of racism even before she was born - what f--king hope do I really have for her future?

Now I've heard only great things of New Zealand, and if you do plan to migrate with your wife, it would probably be a better choice then Australia. As for me, I might give it a try, if not I wonder if I can get citizenship elsewhere. I don't want to be stuck in this f--king country where my daughter will go through all this bullsh-t. I'm already walking a thin line with the law here in Australia the way I am.
That is why I disagree that you feel that humanity is all the same. Racist cunts to me, are not human. Only a inhuman piece of sh-t would dehumanise a baby because of her racial mixture. I enjoyed your company since we started talking because you are new father just like I am. But that is also why I can not stand what you said; As tolerance for racist individuals to me is just as bad as encouraging racism itself.
1) First race - Human race
2) Second race - Human trash
And to me, the race that anyone belongs to is the race they f--king prove themselves to be.