I was wondering if any of you information hounds could find anything on the Japanese accounts of the War between the United States.

I have read from someone that Pearl Harbor was not or not just a declaration of War from Japan but actually a retaliation from attacks by United States earlier that year.

The United States stopped selling oil and steel to Japan to discourage the conflict between Japan and China. Without those supplies Japan was soon to be crippled in their war efforts. Therefore Japan took it as an act of aggression from the US.

Yes, but that is not the answer I am looking for. I want the Japanese accounts of what happened and if their was actually an attack by the United States on Japanese ships which resulted in retaliation at Pearl Harbor.

If you want Japanese accounts on the incident, this isn't the place to ask for it probably.

america knew beforehand that japan would attack.

it wasnt a surprise attack, america sacrificed like 3000 guys to enter World War II. sneaky bastards

japan's main goal was:

wipe out america's pacific fleet including all aircraft carriers

right before japan attacked, the air carriers go away.

So it was America's fault. Freakin' bastards!!!!

America did. They told Japan they could not have a navy the size of theirs or England's, they had racist attitudes and policies towards Japanese, and the Americans also shot at Japanese planes flying over China long before Pearl Harbor was even attacked, which Americans knew about it before it happened anyways, that's why allt heir aircraft carriers were out that day. and I know someone's going to go to the atomic bombs eventually...so I'll say it now before I have to later on....racist reasons of course, AMericans wanted to test out their new weapon, on peopple they did not consider humans, and Germans are white, and they respected the Germans, that is why those two famous American war crimes were carried out on two Japanese cities instead of Munich and Berlin.

not necessarily their fault, but some of the blame should go to roosevolt. or w/e the fu-k u spell it

No no no, when Japan AGGRESSIVELY invaded Asia, all bets were off.

Hah. What're you a Pearl Harbor conpiracy theorist? You know how stupid this is? Okay let's just say that's true, what would've been much more effective were to actually be prepared for the surprise attack. Totally fu-king obliterate the Japanese which sends a message of we're fu-king better than you and none of your stupid little tricks can mess with our Country. And because they TRIED to attack, you could STILL enter the war with a demoralized Japanese who'd be wishing they never fu-king done that. The belief that the Americans had to lie down is absolutely idiotic when just the fact they've been attacked was good enough.



Thank you for confirming it. Anyone have access to books or any excerpts from the famed whitewashed Japanese textbooks?

You're looking at things from current point of view, not the past's. Aircraft carriers were not considered to be such vital assets in the naval theorists and tacticians even in WWII periods. The Germans were carrying out relatively effective surface raids in the Atlantic with their large surface combatants, and the British were engaging them with capital ships of their own. In fact, in 1940, British carrier HMS Glorious was sunk by German battlecruiser during the Norwegian campaign.

If the US Navy wanted to move the assets away, they would have moved the battleships out of the Harbor as well, not dock them in the harbor (with possibility of loosing the harbor operations due to that, sinking of Nevada nearly blocked the entire channel).

of course Japan

duh... you dumb@$$es did it, remember Pearl Harbor, Guam, and the Philippines. Also you started taking out the Chinese. so you started it lol ...that is why every asian nation hates you peeps

WTF???

That's what I said

Japan was the clear aggressor in WW2 and the clear loser as well. The Americans put embargoes for the purpose of cutting Japan's war machine. They didn't want to intervene militarily with Asia directly so they figured they could simply choke Japan's war effort off by simply cutting their supplies. They felt sorry for China of course but to them it wasn't worth going to war over especially when America held Japan's military by the balls and could easily grind the Japanese military to a halt at any chosen time or so they thought.

Japan being the idiotic short-sighted imperialists that they were attacked Americans and hence suffered their full wrath. No sympathy need be shown to Japanese imperialists. The fact that they could have ended the war and surrendered as early as 1941 but chose not to (And thus millions of more lives lost in the process) reveal that they were truly a warmongering society that needed to be humbled. I would have gladly traded four years of non-occupation and war for an early surrender without the atom bombs.

The reason you ask? So my own Korean countrymen could have stopped suffering under Japanese imperialism and I'm sure most Chinese feel the same way. The very fact that Japan chose war even when they could have/should have surrendered four years earlier is even more reason that the atom bombs were justified and not a war crime in the least bit. The only war crime committed by the US was allowing the continuation of the war for as long as it did.

thread starter is clearly a retard

I wholeheartedly agree.

is this what their teaching at japanese schools these days that it was Americas fault that they invaded, pillaged and ravaged Asia?

yeah! your soo damm right!

Nah, really just China and both Koreas really.

American deliberately provoke japan to war. it's a cunningly thought out plan. Roosevelt sacrificed pearl harbor and 3000 american lives to start a war in the pacific just like Bush sacrificed a WTC and 3000 american lives to start a war in the middle east.

First US persuaded japan to sign a warship tonnage limit treaty, then america breach the treaty by building a betleship that exceed the treaty limitation, and when japan react and do the same, they put an embargo on japan.

No matter what, Japan attacked pearl harbour without warning.
It was the attack that started the war.

and I'm sure the embargo had nothing to do with Japan going 'imperial warmachine' in Asia.

It seems to me American wanted it more then Japan.

wanted what? to fight japan? Last I checked, Japan invaded manchuria in 1931 or even earlier...

The US condemned Japan's military aggression but they did not want to get involved in a full scale war. Keep in mind the Americans were still stuck in the Great Depression when Japan first flexed her imperial muscles. American military officials simply believed they could cut the Japanese military machine but putting embargoes and cutting off their supply line. Essentially the US held Japan by the balls and could squeeze them out at any given time. Because of that they figured that Japan was going to stop on her own once the realization sets in, too bad the idiotic Japanese government chose to attack America and seal her doom. This is even more proof that Japan deserved the atom bombs. The war could have ended as early as 1941, imagine how many more innocent Chinese and Korean and American lives would have been saved. I would have gladly traded an early surrender without the atom bombs but no the Japanese wanted war and thus the Americans finished it for them.

Yeah, that has nothing to do with America and yet they placed sanctions on Japan. That action would caused a major conflict between Japan and America sooner or later.

Agreed but it was also believed by the Japanese Military that the USA would back down to avoid involving itself in an asian conflict. Its the old story of who will cross the line in the sand. In this case both sides uped the anti to the point of no return.

Oh lord, I guess this is the first time I argue for US. And Vitality said it best, well in both his posts.



The only gray area is the fact that America pulled away from the conflict. Japan tried to get the resources themselves, but the US stopped their efforts in that manner as well. Which included bombing/attacking Japanese ships and planes. But Japan was doing something the US and all the allies were against, fascist nationalism. So how could they possibly support that? The backlash for giving Japan the cold shoulder was Pearl Harbor. Even though indirectly, Japan was the aggressor, they started it.

Any conspiracy theories about Nanjing being fake, Pearl Harbor being set up, 9/11 being set up is completely absurd. The outcome may have worked towards US's advantage, but that doesn't mean it was completely set up by the government.

Look up USS panay.

Beautifully said.

japan had been aggressive since 1895 when it fought china for korea. the attack on pearl harbour in 1941 is just a long list of japanese aggressions.

And culminated in the total defeat of Japan in 1945

YAY! fu-k JAPAN!!!

^And fu-k FASCISM!!

Is this guy for real???? Who taught you this BS. If you actaully believe this, you are one dumbfuk

lol oyabun loves victimizing his country.

Oyabun needs to be nuked

I honestly dont even think hes japanese just read his response its just way to funny even for a japanese nationalist.

Oyabun is just another retarded Japanophile. He still needs to be nuked

Serious question Oyabun: Do you think you are racist?

uhmmmm maybe he is the offspring of a nuke survivor????? Maybe he has 3 testicles and extra toes? Or maybe he is like many close minded zealots and will only spew narrow minded garbage. But in all fairness his rants make for an amusing read.

America placed the embargo on Japan when Japan invaded China. Yes America could turn the tap off the raw materials Japan needed for war and therfore she had "Japan by the balls". Japan attacked Pearl Harbour to weaken the American navy so that Japan could expand into SE Asia without interference and therefore get the resourses she needed to maintain war with China and to be resourse self sufficient. Japan knew she could not defeat the US, indeed the plan when attacking Pearl Harbour was that the Americans would suit for peace when their navy was destroyed, under favourable Japanese terms. Yamamoto himself knew that in a protracted war, Japan would lose.
American pilots did fight the Japanese in China but they did so "independent" of their government. An American warship was attacked by the Japanese while at anchor in China with the loss of American lives, an attack the Japanese govnt had to apologise for.
Prior to the war Japan was not allowed to build more then a certain tonnage of BATTLESHIPS, at the time considered the ship of the line and yes this tonnage was less then what the Americans were allowed. However, this restriction did not include aircraft carriers which at the start of the war Japan had more then America anyway. Furthermore this restriction did not stop the Japanese from building the Yamato and Musashi, the biggest battleships ever built which far exceeded the restrictions. These ships the Japanese considered "unsinkable".... of course until they were sunk.
The Americans used the atomic bombs on Japan because in their estimation based on the Japanese defence of Saipan and Okinawa, an unacceptable loss of Amican lives would have occured with the invasion of the Japanese home islands. Also based on the fact that Japanese civillians had killed themselves in Okinawa, there was no guarentee that that would not have happened when the home islands fell resulting in possibly more civilan deaths then the bombs caused. Although the number of deaths caused by the atomic bombs is still a trajedy, it is not appropriate for the Japanese to condemn its use considering the number of civilians the Imperial Japanese Army killed while occupying the concored lands, and I don't mean in China only. When Singapore fell, half the local Chinese male population between the ages of 18 and 35 were slaughtered. Lee Kwan Yew himself only just escaped exacution. During the occupation thousands more died at the hands of the Japanese.

For all your guys yaying that Japan lost and all that it never seems to occur to you that Japan came out of WW2 far better than any of your countries did. Did America rebuild any of your countries? Not to my knowledge. But they rebuilt Japan.

Did the US force Japan to apologize and make reparations to those Asian nations it victimized? No. Did it whack Japan with stiff sanctions like they did to Germany after WW1 (the Dawes Act)? No. Japan became filthy rich. Did China? Did Korea? No and no.

Despite Japan's aggressions and atrocities who does the US label as their enemies in Asia? China and North Korea.

So I fail to see what you're laughing about. Japan made out great. Hell most of the motherfu-kers that turned Japan into murdering war machine never faced justice and were protected by the Americans. The guy that hung for Nanking was Matsui WHO WASN'T EVEN THERE!!!! It was Hirohito's uncle that carried out the Rape of Nanking. What happened to him? Tell me, what happened to him?

So what the fu-k are you laughing about? Your countries got fu-ked during the war by Japan and got fu-ked after war by America while they allowed Japan to turn into a major-player economic and manufacturing powerhouse that has enable Japan to thumb their noses at you and laugh in your faces whenever you demand an apology.

Sound like Japan owes way more gratitude to America than any of its victims.

Jor, I believe the US helped South Korea as well, but they were so wasted after the war. Japan still had like TOkyo etc., and still had like a commanding body, where other countries had to start over cuz of the japanese.



And no no you guys have it all wrong;

GERMANY STARTED THE WAR!

No, Japan was in ruins after the war. You can talk to my parents about it. My dad was part of the reconstruction crews sent from America and he couldn't believe the devastation. Japan was virtually leveled. My mother remembers all the people with no homes and only the clothes on their backs shooting drugs on the side of the road--some of the dying of overdoses and left there for days.

Japan was leveled by Allied bombs which did not happen to any other Asian country anywhere near that extent. Without American aid, Japan would be a 3rd world nation right now.

America didn't give a fu-k about the rest of Asia but recognized that Japan was the mover and shaker of Asia and they wanted them on their side in future operations. They figured the rest of Asia wasn't worth the trouble but if they could cintrol the Japanese they'd be a valuable ally and that is certainly how it played out.

I certainly think that Japan should be commended for rebuilding its country and its economy. I don't think Japan "came out" of the war better then any other country. In 1945 the country was totally devastated. I don't know how much America can be credited for "rebuilding Japan", in my opinion all credit should go to the Japanese for their work ethic and self sacrifice.
The US never forced Japan to apologise for its atrocities becasue the people they killed and tortured were mainly Asian. If you look back at 1945 Asians were not thought of very highly by the West. Don't forget though that America surrupticiously provided aid to China to fight the Japanese. The Americans would never provide aid to China because 1) due to its size America knew that China could become a world power and 2) China at the time of WWII was divided into the Nationalist and Communists.

America never made Japan make any reparations, again because their victims were mainly Asians. Having said that there have in the last 10 years calls for Japan to "make good" the sins of WWII from the Koreans. Japan would never voluntarily apologise to its Asian neighbours because a large part of Japan still believes that they are better then the rest of Asia. America did not whack Japan with any sanctions post WWII but neither did they do that to the Germans. They did it not because they didn't want to punish Japan but because they knew that punishment didn't work. One of the major reasons Hitler came to power in Germany and the advant of WWII was becaiuse of the restrictions placed on Germany after WWI.

Punishment and hangings after wars are rarely about justice and more about politics.

Japan should apologise not because anybody forces them to but because it is the right thing to do.


Bombings were more devastating on Japanese cities their European counterparts mainly because Japanese houses were built with paper and wood. Bombing Japan, America used a higer percentage of incendiary bombs which created more devastation then high explosive. WWII was the first war whereby cities and civilians were targeted specifically, this was first started by the British when they bombed German cities.
I don't think though that blame can be put on the Americans, if the govnt of the day was really concerned about its citizens, the Japanese govnt should have surrendered earlier.

didnt the germans start it in world war 1 by bombing english cities with blimps?

Could be, don't know for sure but in WWII the British started it first. In fact Hitler specifically said he wouldn't target British cities unless Britain did so first. Imagine if Germany had won the war, what's the likelyhood of Churchill being trialled for war crimes just for this.