New Delhi: First the Chinese ambassador to India Sun Yuxi made a sensational statement to CNN-IBN claiming that Arunachal Pradesh was a part of China, and now the Chinese seem to be making good their claim.

Reports indicate that the Chinese have actually crossed the border to occupy parts of the state’s territory.

However, it’s not the first time that such an incident has occurred. Every time the snow on the high peaks melts, the Indian side realises that China has intruded deeper into the country.

But the envoy’s outrageous claim and the infiltration don’t seem to be bothering the Indian Government, keen on taking the dialogue process forward.

“There are some inadvertent incursions. Are we going to make them a national issue and make them come in the way of talks that are heading positively towards a resolution – no,” said Home Secretary V K Duggal.

In an interview with the CNN-IBN, Duggal also spoke about other law and order challenges of 2007.

Interestingly, while the UPA Government is demanding President’s rule in Uttar Pradesh – going to polls soon – the state is not really a cause for worry.

“There is nothing like worrisome in that state,” said Duggal.

Instead, it’s the Congress-ruled Punjab that the intelligence agencies are especially keeping a watch out for.

“The election fervour this time seems to be a little bit more charged. It’s going to be a little bit more tensely-fought election,” said Duggal.

The Home Secretary also admitted for the first time that both the Singur violence and the Kalinganagar massacre in early 2006 had a Naxal element to it.

“What you saw in Singur and Kalinganagar, all states are conscious that they need a better rehab policy, now that they are setting up development projects. If that’s not done, these people can become a source of information to Naxals,” he said.

The Centre's big claim for 2006 is that violence was at an all time low.

But it’s the New Year that will be the big challenge, as waiting to upset the status quo are not just sleeper cells from within the country, but also the terror groups from outside.

YES!!! more rocks!!! WE WIN!!! : /

Sources for article?

There's been a few places that have mentioned it but if you look at Gomeny's thread in normal India chat it provides a link to a vid (same subject).

I've noticed it isn't necessarily been said "they don't care" but they said they aren't worried. So little was actually said on the matter it's incredibly difficult to really understand what they meant, so I'm going to wait until February when the Indian PM will visit Arunachal Pradesh (which has already come out and voiced numerous concerns).

All I know is I seriously hope that whatever action is taken it will be for the good of those living in Arunachal.

The chance of China annexing Arunachal Pardesh is very low. To do so would require a full military confrontation, something China is unwilling to do (as it is costly and time consuming, with no guarentee of victory). I think the Chinese diplomats who do try to toss verbal claims are just blowing hot air, trying to show that they are tough. Its all an act.

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/china-in-aruna...op/30039-3.html

You Jai Hind NRI types are sooo cute and adorable.

Glad you think so......cause we are the future.

lol, unfortunately I'm not too fond of the term Jai Hind, so I guess I must have a lots of self hate.

I dont understand how India takes this kind of crap from China.
It's a regular occurance and a shame for China to be claiming lands and islands that don't belong to them.
They have no sense of friendship or honour towards any of her neighbors.

you have absolutely no idea about the history of this issue. Do you even know bout the China-India border conflicts that go back all the way to 1962 when the two countries actually fought a brief war over it?

It's a complex issue and its not just a case of "Evil China doing this....". It just sounds like you want more reasons to blame China because its the easy thing to do these days. China bashing is the new fashion on the block.

chinese can live in indian territory

more chinese girls for us!

It's not a complex issue at all. It shouldnt even be an issue, except that China provokes other countries to make things complex. This border was resolved with the Mcmahon Line before China annexed sovereign Tibet and for some dumb reason these treaties aren't good enough for China to recognize. China is basically saying all of the past agreements made by the nation of tibet are null because we took them over and are now a part of china.

your right, its none of your business so what you say doesnt matter.

It's everyone's business when there is bully in the region threatening everyone's peace. I really hope words such as respect, tolerance and peace are not lost to china before it's too late, too late for china that is.

oh shut up. wipe the spit from your monitor and stop yelling before you get kicked outta the library. your throw around "everyone" so much, do you even know what it means. do YOU live in Arunacablah? exactly i didnt think so. pfft "everyones peace" you retard. my peace if just fine thank you. go poll the major cities in Asia and see if this issue even makes it in their top 10.

shyt, the title even says India doesnt care.

man...why am i talking to you...

let's be honest, because you have nothing better to do, otherwise you wouldn't be here :p

FYI i am dling a drama right now and am unable to engange in a vast number of internet related activities due to lag.

also, i happen to be waiting for an idiot to come on msn so we can work on a presentation. hence, ive decided not to sit on my hands and instead have decided to engage in pointless conversations on af. kinda like the one we are having now.

hmm...that all means i have nothing better to do huh...touche

perhaps you should read the article before posting. "India doesnt care" means India does not care for china's illegal excursions into AP, that India does not care enough for chinese misadventures to use that as an excuse to stop the talks. This only shows that India wants to settle things by talks and diplomacy while china sends its ambassador to make outrageous and provocative comments. Which brings me back to my point about China needing a major change in attitude. It's only natural for all its neighbors to be cautious of this bully making trouble everywhere.

Flaming Removed.

India does not occupy ANY Chinese land. Period.

Flaming Removed.

Nope, India does not occupy ANY Chinese land. Period.

what are you basing this on, the expelled white japanophile?

chinese government and chinese like you have no respect and honour whatsoever.

i have an idea, give Tibet her sovereignty back and we wont see any baseless chinese claims on Arunachal Pradesh.

perhaps i should! but i dont need to cause what i said still makes perfect sense thx to the title. so screw the article. i have the title.

that was so not your point. you were ranting about it being "everyones business" and crap when it doesnt even affect you, me, anyone on this board, anyone either of us know (assuming of course you have friends) : /

How about no? Does that work for you?

If you don't care enough to read the article and understand then you should not go about telling others to mind their own business and that they should not care. Makes you seem silly, very silly. You're welcome to come back and state your opinions after you've read more than just the title. It will be clear to even the reasonable chinese, how china can act like a rogue state at times. It's only because of the Indians hospitality that china's ambassador can get away with such outrageous and insulting remarks. An official apology by china is in order. Anything short of that should be unacceptable to India.

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. the article has nothing to do with me telling you to mind your own business. the fact you dont live there and have no connection there whatsoever is.

suck my ballz

I don't see how thats gonna help. What might help is if you make a symobolic apology on behalf of your ambassador right here in this thread. It may not be much but it will start the healing process. So let' see it, and make it sincere.

By "Chinese" land - they mean land not traditionally the homeland of the Han Chinese, but land that was originally conquered by their Mongol and Manchu overlords.

i don't see why koreans have to come in and stir up trouble; they have nothing to do with this issue. leave sino-indian conflicts alone.

I guess people couldn't have an opinion about apartheid in Africa if they weren't an Afrikaaner or black South African; I guess people couldn't have an opinion about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict if they weren't either; I guess people couldn't have an opinion about Jim Crow laws in the South if one wasn't a Southerner; etc. - get real.

Not to say I'm particularly keen on this topic, but I don't see why Koreans shouldn't be allowed to state their opinion on the matter, which they have the right to do as much anyone. Moreso, I wouldn't discourage them from posting, but rather I'd like to see what people who are in a more neutral stance have to say.

except the koreans who've posted here aren't just "anyone." they've had an agenda in mind as soon as they read the topic title. they don't really have an opinion on this matter per se, they see this thread as an excuse to go open season on china, which they have. they don't give a $hit about indian-chinese relations, as long as they can spew out whatever rants they have. nationalists are all like this, whether they be chinese, korean, or indian.

Should they (I am guessing we're talking about BigFish and CJK, correct me if I'm wrong) wish to bash China at every opportunity, then I think that needs to be brought up in the mods discussions, as that is questionable behavior, and rather likely to cause racial or nationalistic tensions on the forum.

However, in this thread up till now though they may go against China's views, they haven't done so in a racist or nationalistic manner as far as I can see. What I find even more interesting is they have responded in a peaceful manner to comment made, and had you not brought up nationalistic and anti-China attitudes, I probably would have given them the benefit of the doubt and assumed they just feel strongly about the topic.

Even then, this is nothing compared to the rubbish we see on Chinese chat against Indians. Froglee has notoriously flamed against Indians since he joined along with a number of posters. aaaw recently posted in the thread about Indian influences on China "if it makes you indians feel better about yourself than be it.", after the Indians who had posted in the thread had already said how the article was poor and inaccurate.

Further examples include Froglee recently posting "The two largest countries on India borders are China and Pakistan. But the Indians can't even maintain good relationship with them. This tells you what kind of people they are." and Moviez in the past calling Indians "Hateful people".

My point is simple, should these posters be nationalistic anti-China idiots (these are the first posts of theirs I've really read so I can't make a judgement), then deal with them appropriately as moderators, seeing as that's the point of moderating. Likewise, I want to see fair treatment of posters on the forum, as there are quite a few Chinese poster's here who have very bad attitudes towards other nations, or their people, yet for over a year nothing has been done, even though they make these guys on here seem like rational and sensible posters. Why is it that when these posters post anything that's clear flaming, nothing is done? And I'm not just referring to anti-Indian topics and posts, in Chinese chat (and outside), I've seen anti-Korean, anti-Japanese and anti-Malaysian attitudes to name just few.

CJK hasn't broken any rules, so it will not be discussed in the mod forums. what i've discussed is my personal opinion on his actions, which i find highly distasteful, like you with froglee.

chinese chat has always been one of the more "polemical" sections on AF, and as long as members like froglee stay civil and keep their views within the confines of chinese chat (unlike CJK) they will be continued to allow to post. hardly few chinese pay attention to him anyway. being anti-korean, anti-indian, etc isn't enough grounds for ban, unless if they've resorted to flaming, trolling ,etc.

You really don't think froglee is flaming or trolling? Almost every post of his is bs about India, literally lying half of the time. In the quote above he's made what I consider pretty much a racist comment, seeing as he's negatively portraying all Indians to be unnaccepting and conflictive.

Why is racism not dealt with more correctly here? that's what I don't get. Froglee is a prime example because almost every post he makes offends Indian posters in some way. I also don't consider it to be civil to regularly make offensive and incorrect statements, even if he doesn't always post with derogatory terminology.

Also, what's the point that he keeps his comments in Chinese chat got to do with anything? I have an interest in China and Chinese culture, yet I'm expected to accept offensive comments towards my cultural background and heritage because it's in Chinese chat?

If that's the case, then I say China has a history of war, civil and with neighbours. It's extremely disrespectful to the other nations of the world and has invaded other countries numerous times. This tells you what kind of people they are.

I may have said some things to offend Chinese posters there, but oh well I shouldn't have to worry, I've kept it in the confines of India Chat and have made the statement in a "civil" manner, so I have nothing to worry about right?

If CJK is allowed to go around the forum and make posts that personally offend others, as well as insult nations on a regular basis and When one of his/her greatest purposes here is to go about spreading nasty statements about a nation (which is effectively flaming or trolling anyway), and nothing is to be done, then this forum seriously needs to reconsider it's rules.

every member is subject to the same rules. a warning for breaking the rules, which includes, among other things, flaming, trolling, etc, and when a member reaches three warnings he/she is banned.

i do not consider froglee has trolled/flamed recently. of course, i do think that there is a possibility of his posts being offensive to a particular segment of AF readers (in this case, indians), but being offensive to some is not the same as trolling. i do not consider CJK as trolling, but i do feel his recent posts are highly offensive and inflammatory. however that is his opinion of the particular country he wished to rant against, and i cannot warn him for expressing his opinion. though i highly disapprove of it, just like you with froglee.


posts i find that are troll/flame posts are those that are clearly intended to be insults, usually sentence that combine a particular ethnic group with some ethnic slur, derogative stereotype, expletive, etc. of course all racist posts and those who make them are banned permanently. i don't believe either froglee and CJK have made any at this point. (though they may be, but there is not enough evidence). also, for example, if someone was posting a bunch of anti-british articles on AF, one won't normally come to the conclusion that person is racist against british persons.

those who post inflammatory outside of the forums where they hang out the most, (as opposed to posting in their own chats), are obviously looking for trouble and thus are potential trollers, flamers. froglee has not made such a post recently so i have not found a reason to ban him.

Yep and thank God for them otherwise our country wouldn't be as big now would it? And more importantly we wouldn't have Koreans like you to constantly remind us of how evil and imperialistic we are. I love playing Devil's Advocate sometimes.

no i think it will help lots. and while your at it, you can get doozer to lick your @$$. he should feel right at home staring at your rear end since he sees something quite similar every time he looks in the mirror.

that ignorant little nerd.

apologize? HA! i didnt do anything. you wana start the healing process, then suck my ballz.

This is no different than someone having an opinion on any other dispute in the world.




So when someone is critical of certain Chinese policies - they are instantly labeled as having any agenda.

Since I am critical of certain Israeli policies - that must mean that I am anti-Jew. Since I am critical of certain Palestinian policies as well - that must mean that I am anti-Arab as well. Since I am critical of the leaders in Iraq (Saddam and post-Saddam) - that must mean I am anti-Iraqi. Since I am critical of the current US administration - that must mean I am anti-American and have an "agenda" - PLEASE.




But it is funny how many Chinese posters are the first to complain about the West's imperialism of China (not to mention that of Japan), but then turn around and are totally oblivious to the fact or even justify China's own imperialist conduct. I love pointing out HYPOCRISY.




Surprise, surpise - another "intelligent" and "substantive" post by mns!

At least this post wasn't filled with the usual pidgin English and is somewhat intelligible - too bad I can't say the same for the content.

I think I've given you more than a few chances to get past your ignorance but it seems this is where you are most comfortable. If you can't even see how wrong china's words and actions are in this matter and how it can be offending and worrisome to others then you have other issues than I care to address in this thread. lol. but it is entertaining i must admit, so keep it up

And how exactly was it "Imperial" on China's part that the Mongols and Manchus conquered China? Is this the kind of absurd logic people come up with these days? The country that was taken by force are the imperialists and the conquerors the victims? Wow someone is losing ground here.

Uhh - so you think the Mongols, Tibetans, Uighars, etc. just willingly wanted to remain a part of what was the Manchu Empire?

Wow - another person who has no clue about the topic at hand.

I disagree very much so and am serious when I think the rules need a taking look at. Every member may be subject to the same rules, but I don't think the rules are necessarily applied fairly, that's my point.

The fact that froglee hasn't posted recently shouldn't make a difference, he's done it plenty of times in the past (when action was never taken, why?). What's worse is you're suggesting offensive posts are much more acceptable than trolling. Froglee is offensive, ignorant and unwilling to learn, yet that's excusable but to troll is much worse? The logic there makes no sense. Should someone be offensive regularly and not willing to stop it or learn about how they're offending others, it deserves no more toleration than trolling (which may be less subtle, but essentially isn't any different).

If someone regularly posts anti-British article, then one might not conclude the person is racist, but should said person continuously make anti-British statements, then the person should be severely dealt with. I don't know about CJK, but Froglee does precisely this towards Indians. I'm sure other Indian posters who read this will know what I'm talking about.

The fact that Froglee hasn't left Chinese chat doesn't mean that he's not clearly got an agenda against India or Indian people. It's not just Indian posters who acknowledge this, even Chinese posters acknowledge this.

You probably have a point about CJK's posts and I feel I have a very strong point against froglee. Assuming you've read the quote of froglee I gave above, is that acceptable behaviour? Was he warned for it? It is quite clearly generalising about Indian people and portraying them negatively. I can quite easily get 3 posts over the last year that are similar too. So why is he not banned?

nice and slow. ooohhhh ahhhhhh. i can see you study that indian book of sex a lot.

doozer: why do you even try? your judgements on my posts are pointless. the difference between me and you is that

1. your a nerd/f@g
2. i never pretend to be smart of w/e. whereas you on the other hand try and sound smart when you arent. so it just blows up in your face like your dads load.
3. your a nerd/f@g

you probably still dont understand though...it means that...how should i put this....my posts are like the media. im basically feeding you w/e i feel like. if you are trying to peg me it wont work. cuz im random as fuk. now get back down on your knees bytch.

And how do you know otherwise may I ask? You've met all the ethnic Mongolians, Tibetans, and Uighurs living in China? BTW considering it was the Mongols and Manchus that WILLINGLY created their empires in China to begin with, why would they be so upset about the outcome?

Lol, Empty your PM box Titanium. :P

LOL sorry I forgot about that.

i haven't received any reports about froglee recently from members. mostly he is just ignored. but if more people report his posts then i will do something about it. as of right now i don't have any reason to see him off. the chinese section has always been one of the more "extreme" sections on AF, and some (ie many) like froglee just like to rant. moderating the chinese is a little different from the other forums, due to the more extreme people who post there. daily there is usually some anti-korean or anti-japanese thread. sometimes mods just have to accept it. but if the rants do spill over to the other sections, action will be taken. i've recently warned several chinese members for crossing the boundaries in korean chat, for example.