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iamxhc
I am a Chinese in Japan. After my graduation from Shanghai University, I came to Osaka University for a master degree.

Japan is actually better than what I thought. Nice people, clean environment, etc. However, before my coming to japan, I didn't like Japan so much. So, what causes the emotional disagreement between China and Japan?

From my viewpoint, it is ignorance. The ignorance leads to misunderstanding, and misunderstanding leads to hatred.

The two countries are near neighbours. A great part of both our cultures share the same origin. We even share many same characters in language. We think we know each other well, but in fact, not.

Modern Chinese don't know much about modern Japan. Most of us still think Japan as the aggressive old Japan of WWII. Most of the Chinese people don't know the modern democratic Japan.

On the other hand, Japanese don't understand why Chinese people dislike Japan so much. I have a very good Japanese friend. He has good personality and we share same interests. Once he asked me why Chinese people dislike Japan and I introduced the history and explained the reason to him. To my surprise, he was very much unaware of the history details and the severe criminals committed by Japanese army in WWII. He found it was hard to believe and asked me to give him some material to support my words. It took me some time in Library and Internet to find some relatively objective English materials. However as I know most Japanese people will not even bother to doubt the ambiguous textbook and search for some non-Japanese materials regarding history. The ignorance in history makes Japanese think that the dissatisfaction from Chinese people comes for no reason, or because of jealousy, uncivilization etc.

Every country has its own dirty history, but I don't understand why it's so hard for Japanese government to face it's past and admit it bravely rather than white washing it by publishing even more biased textbooks. I think Chinese people are not asking anything from japan except for a thorough commitment of wartime crime and a sincere apology.

I like Japanese people around me and I like Japanese culture in which I can find the trace of the ancient China virtue that has already been hard to see in modern China. But I really don't like the rightwing government of Japan, not because of its nationism but because that it is not brave enough to carry the history burden.
T-Bone
QUOTE(iamxhc @ Jan 8 2007, 11:20 PM) [snapback]2634332[/snapback]

I am a Chinese in Japan. After my graduation from Shanghai University, I came to Osaka University for a master degree.

Japan is actually better than what I thought. Nice people, clean environment, etc. However, before my coming to japan, I didn't like Japan so much. So, what causes the emotional disagreement between China and Japan?

From my viewpoint, it is ignorance. The ignorance leads to misunderstanding, and misunderstanding leads to hatred.

The two countries are near neighbours. A great part of both our cultures share the same origin. We even share many same characters in language. We think we know each other well, but in fact, not.

Modern Chinese don't know much about modern Japan. Most of us still think Japan as the aggressive old Japan of WWII. Most of the Chinese people don't know the modern democratic Japan.

On the other hand, Japanese don't understand why Chinese people dislike Japan so much. I have a very good Japanese friend. He has good personality and we share same interests. Once he asked me why Chinese people dislike Japan and I introduced the history and explained the reason to him. To my surprise, he was very much unaware of the history details and the severe criminals committed by Japanese army in WWII. He found it was hard to believe and asked me to give him some material to support my words. It took me some time in Library and Internet to find some relatively objective English materials. However as I know most Japanese people will not even bother to doubt the ambiguous textbook and search for some non-Japanese materials regarding history. The ignorance in history makes Japanese think that the dissatisfaction from Chinese people comes for no reason, or because of jealousy, uncivilization etc.

Every country has its own dirty history, but I don't understand why it's so hard for Japanese government to face it's past and admit it bravely rather than white washing it by publishing even more biased textbooks. I think Chinese people are not asking anything from japan except for a thorough commitment of wartime crime and a sincere apology.

I like Japanese people around me and I like Japanese culture in which I can find the trace of the ancient China virtue that has already been hard to see in modern China. But I really don't like the rightwing government of Japan, not because of its nationism but because that it is not brave enough to carry the history burden.

T-Bone
I would say the emotional disagreement between Japanese and Chinese are for two different reasons. I think many Chinese have a disliking or negativity or whatever you want to call it, towards Japanese because of the war. I think the Japanese that have a disliking towards Chinese is mostly because of TV in Japan showing or portraying Chinese as committing crimes in Japan (Chinese woman kills two, or Chinese man steals this and that, whatever it is). I think you are right about Japanese not knowing much about the extent of the war crimes they committed overseas. I am American and my wife is Japanese. She knew of the murders in China during the war but didnt know of all the other South East Asian countries and didnt know how aggressive it was to many defensless people. Japanese killed over 30 million people during the 30s and and 40s (23 million of them Chinese), most Japanese wouldnt even come close to guessing that much. Many compare the Japanese war criminals to Hitler and the Germans who killed 23 million (6 million jews and 20 million Russians). Heres the site which is a top site in the world for information as it has scholors and historians from around the world that edit it until it is agreed upon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

I could understand why a government would want to quickly pass over this section of history in school - or at least leave the details of the numbers etc out.

On a good note, I traveled with my Japanese wife to Cambodia, Philippines, Viet Nam and Malaysia and the people of these countries were all very cool to her even though they are well aware of the past. Sometimes they even brought up a discussion of the past with many of their ansestors being murdered. We even went to sites and graveyards where slaughters occurred.

Anyway, enough of the bad and the past. Even though this history exists, Japanese are awsome and great people - thats why I married one. They are super kind, thoughtful and caring. If that never happened in their past, I wouldnt have guessed that Japanese were ever capable of doing something like that. Most countries have a dirty past, I guess it is a human thing.
wontonsoupx
Im not getting enough action from my Japanese wife!

Hi everyone, this is my first posting. I just moved to Japan 3 days ago. Im an American and my wife is Japanese. I met her 8 years ago in Japan. Im 35 now. We had a long distance relationship for couple of years (I was in Japan only 2 days then) and she moved to Los Angeles and lived with me there for the other 6 (actually we traveled this last year so really 5 years). She is totally awsome in almost every way. We almost never argue and there is no jealosy between us (actually I had it a bit for the first few years - typical American thing - but she never seemed to have it - shes cool that way). Anyway, I have been seriously considering leaving her because she doesnt have enough sex with me. I know it sounds pathetic - I guess it is - but it is true. Its not an ugly thing - I have been with many women before (slept with about 35 and had a few long term relationships - all of them hot women except for the first few I slept with when I was young and just wanting to get some action - dont tell my friends - hehehe). I am good to her and she has no complaints. I make her laugh, make her smile, make her cum. We get it on only about 1 time a month. I am always after her for more, but she is just not wanting to. It sucks. At first I thought it might be a hormonal thing, but then I came to believe it is a cultural thing. I believe this for two reasons. One, I went to counseling in Los Angeles and after my first sentence to the counsler (I said I was not having enough sex in my relationship), the counsler asked if my partner was Japanese. The counsler said that a lot of men that come to her with that problem have a Japanese girlfriend or wife. I also did some research and found several studies that says the same thing - here are some:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/No-sex-pl...7625063272.html

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/172587

http://www.boston.com/news/daily/27/sexual_superpower.htm

Anyway - to the point.
1) Should I leave her?
2) Do you agree that Japanese (compared to other countries) have less sex? Studies I have read say around once a week for middle and younger aged married couples, compared to three times a week in many other countries?


tell her you didnt marry her for personality...just for her tight asian pu@@y kiss.gif
T-Bone

tell her you didnt marry her for personality...just for her tight asian pu@@y kiss.gif
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I actually married her for both. Her personality was awsome and the punanny was good - just not getting enough of it.
supersloth
^you are the epitomy of class. god only knows why she wont sleep with you icon_rolleyes.gif

Gatts
QUOTE(wontonsoupx @ Jan 8 2007, 08:45 AM) [snapback]2634443[/snapback]

Im not getting enough action from my Japanese wife!

Hi everyone, this is my first posting. I just moved to Japan 3 days ago. Im an American and my wife is Japanese. I met her 8 years ago in Japan. Im 35 now. We had a long distance relationship for couple of years (I was in Japan only 2 days then) and she moved to Los Angeles and lived with me there for the other 6 (actually we traveled this last year so really 5 years). She is totally awsome in almost every way. We almost never argue and there is no jealosy between us (actually I had it a bit for the first few years - typical American thing - but she never seemed to have it - shes cool that way). Anyway, I have been seriously considering leaving her because she doesnt have enough sex with me. I know it sounds pathetic - I guess it is - but it is true. Its not an ugly thing - I have been with many women before (slept with about 35 and had a few long term relationships - all of them hot women except for the first few I slept with when I was young and just wanting to get some action - dont tell my friends - hehehe). I am good to her and she has no complaints. I make her laugh, make her smile, make her cum. We get it on only about 1 time a month. I am always after her for more, but she is just not wanting to. It sucks. At first I thought it might be a hormonal thing, but then I came to believe it is a cultural thing. I believe this for two reasons. One, I went to counseling in Los Angeles and after my first sentence to the counsler (I said I was not having enough sex in my relationship), the counsler asked if my partner was Japanese. The counsler said that a lot of men that come to her with that problem have a Japanese girlfriend or wife. I also did some research and found several studies that says the same thing - here are some:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/No-sex-pl...7625063272.html

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/172587

http://www.boston.com/news/daily/27/sexual_superpower.htm

Anyway - to the point.
1) Should I leave her?
2) Do you agree that Japanese (compared to other countries) have less sex? Studies I have read say around once a week for middle and younger aged married couples, compared to three times a week in many other countries?
tell her you didnt marry her for personality...just for her tight asian pu@@y kiss.gif

...trolling -warned
Oyabun
QUOTE(Gatts @ Jan 8 2007, 06:16 PM) [snapback]2635237[/snapback]

...trolling -warned



now why in the hell would you warn wonton for trolling and not the real troll who is that Asiaphile T-Bone? look at T-Bone's post and tell me otherwise.
Gatts
QUOTE(Oyabun @ Jan 8 2007, 05:03 PM) [snapback]2635403[/snapback]

now why in the hell would you warn wonton for trolling and not the real troll who is that Asiaphile T-Bone? look at T-Bone's post and tell me otherwise.

who said t-bone wasnt warned 4 trolling also?
aaaw
The problem between China and Japan is the US.

rahul1000
QUOTE(aaaw @ Jan 11 2007, 11:47 AM) [snapback]2642466[/snapback]

The problem between China and Japan is the US.


What makes you think that? Mind elaborating?
WarEngineer
good thread, i'll come back to it...

going for lunch now
aaaw
QUOTE(rahul1000 @ Jan 11 2007, 11:11 AM) [snapback]2642509[/snapback]

What makes you think that? Mind elaborating?


Western power loves the divide and conquer tactics. Rather old, but effective.

rahul1000
QUOTE(aaaw @ Jan 11 2007, 03:04 PM) [snapback]2642821[/snapback]

Western power loves the divide and conquer tactics. Rather old, but effective.


Of course, I fully realize that. But do you think that is why today there is enmity between China and Japan?
Correct me if I am wrong, would relations between them be pretty good in fact if Japan had not invaded China twice? How would relations be if Japan had never attacked China?

Should we blame the U.S for modernizing them so quickly and giving them access to advanced technology that at the time China did not have because it chose to shut itself in? Not that I'm blaming China, I respect them for having had more resistance to Westerners than the Japanese did.

We can't blame Western powers today for the enmity between China and Japan can we?
hgnis
It is the nature of the weak to blame others for their problems..
kunomchu
QUOTE(hgnis @ Jan 11 2007, 07:14 PM) [snapback]2643675[/snapback]

It is the nature of the weak to blame others for their problems..


Human nature cannot be defined. icon_wink.gif
xjapanx
And also, does blame rest on Western powers for Chinese joining Mongols in trying to attack and invade Japan?

QUOTE(rahul1000 @ Jan 11 2007, 04:37 PM) [snapback]2643162[/snapback]

Of course, I fully realize that. But do you think that is why today there is enmity between China and Japan?
Correct me if I am wrong, would relations between them be pretty good in fact if Japan had not invaded China twice? How would relations be if Japan had never attacked China?

Should we blame the U.S for modernizing them so quickly and giving them access to advanced technology that at the time China did not have because it chose to shut itself in? Not that I'm blaming China, I respect them for having had more resistance to Westerners than the Japanese did.

We can't blame Western powers today for the enmity between China and Japan can we?

aaaw
QUOTE(xjapanx @ Jan 12 2007, 03:40 AM) [snapback]2645079[/snapback]

And also, does blame rest on Western powers for Chinese joining Mongols in trying to attack and invade Japan?


*sigh* another retard strikes again. Let me give you a brief summary of what happened since you're too lazy or stupid or both to do some dd.

China was under Mongol rule at the time. The Mongolian emperor wanted to invade Japan so they launched an invasion. The Mongols did not even reached Japanese shore since their boats were capsized by strong wind. The rest you can research yourself.
xjapanx
I am not sure what point you make, but Chinese and Korean soldiers were with the Mongol attack on Japan. I think you should read more. Is Tsushima a part of Japan? "The Mongols did not even reached Japanese shore"
is not true.
QUOTE(aaaw @ Jan 12 2007, 07:30 AM) [snapback]2645303[/snapback]

*sigh* another retard strikes again. Let me give you a brief summary of what happened since you're too lazy or stupid or both to do some dd.

China was under Mongol rule at the time. The Mongolian emperor wanted to invade Japan so they launched an invasion. The Mongols did not even reached Japanese shore since their boats were capsized by strong wind. The rest you can research yourself.

supersloth
^mongols did reach the shores and the japanese were already on the verge of pulling back inland. thats when the "divine wind" struck destroying the mongol reinforcements and supplies.
Mid-Night_Sun
the problem is, honestly, im getting the impression those japanese leaders are trying to rub it in our faces. what annoys me the most is the indirectness, fukn pussies. straight up, either fukn aplogize, or say you want war. dont fukn say you want to better relations, then go visit a shrine. i HATE people that tiptoe around causing trouble.
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